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Phil_Synowiec
07-07-2009, 04:16 AM
Cop pulls me over, for a modified exhaust. Looks at me, I just got back from swimming. Tries to tell me in under the influence. Im completely sober. Asks me questions for 30 mins. First tried to tell me im drunk, then tried to tell me im High. Made me do a bunch of test, all nothing. About 45mins-1hour of wasted time of being harassed. He even ask me to come down to the station and take a pee test, Im not wasting my time any further, its 12AM.

It was all because of my eyes, tries to tell me afterwards that Im in the 1% of people that have "effd up" eyes.

This is the third time this has happened. Another time I got pulled over for a taillight out and I was very very generous and I left them do a FULL search of me AND my car, I even offered to let them do it, I got NOTHING to hide.

Dumbass Cops. Then they wonder why they got a bad rep. They say they are just doing their jobs and are trained to do this shit, Harassment is NOT doing your job, just cause I'm 17 doesnt mean i smoke weed or drink. Furthermore should NOT give them a right to harass me like that.

Hell I should go into the station and take that pee test tomorrow voluntarily. Then give em the cops name and everything.

This is NOT okay.

And about the eyes, like i said 3rd time concerning this, its just my eyes they have always done that I guess. Any type of eye medication i could take? Should I go to an eye doctor?

Prab
07-07-2009, 04:25 AM
Hi Phil,

Do you mean the red eyes you get after swimming? I think its because of the chlorine in the swimming pool water.

One way is to use goggles, but water can still go in and make your eyes red. The better alternative is to just use eye drops. Its supposed to reduce red eyes. One brand is called Visine.

sundance kid
07-07-2009, 04:28 AM
Hi Phil,

Do you mean the red eyes you get after swimming? I think its because of the chlorine in the swimming pool water.

One way is to use goggles, but water can still go in and make your eyes red. The better alternative is to just use eye drops. Its supposed to reduce red eyes. One brand is called Visine.

visine works wonders, my eyes get effed up all the time and visine makes them all better :)

cops are arses, they just did all that because they need money because the economy is crap,hoping to give you a ticket, and get another "job well done" from the sarg

starjimstar
07-07-2009, 04:30 AM
I hear that if you go swimming and smoke pot at the same time, the red eye things cancel each other out. That is a lie, of course.

Prab
07-07-2009, 04:33 AM
I can only guess how you concluded that it was a lie :p

starjimstar
07-07-2009, 04:41 AM
Because I just made it up. :p

gekkota
07-07-2009, 06:24 AM
LOL! This Dude Is Pissed!

Just kidding... ;)

If your eyes are only red after swimming, it's probably the chlorine and over-the-counter eye drops like Visine will get rid of the redness and irritation.

If your eyes are red frequently (and not from swimming, drinking, smoking, or lack of sleep) you might have an eye infection or insufficient tear production...in which case you might want to see an eye doctor or even your regular doctor. Anything other than Visine or Refresh eye drops requires a prescription.

I don't know where the police officer is getting the "1%" from. There is no such statistic, so I assume he just made it up. If your red eyes are so obvious to the cops, maybe you should just get them checked.

teagan1000000
07-07-2009, 07:47 AM
some of them are pretty dumb, cuz no one wants to b a pig so any redneck with a gun can b a cop, like the one who killed 3 teens in a mall with a sawed off because they called him piggy, also cops are ruthless when it comes to pot, if u have red eyes then they will taze you if you make any sudden movements, but thankfully obama is going to legalize it so no more problem :)

Yagami_Light
07-07-2009, 08:24 AM
Cop pulls me over, for a modified exhaust. Looks at me, I just got back from swimming. Tries to tell me in under the influence. Im completely sober. Asks me questions for 30 mins. First tried to tell me im drunk, then tried to tell me im High. Made me do a bunch of test, all nothing. About 45mins-1hour of wasted time of being harassed. He even ask me to come down to the station and take a pee test, Im not wasting my time any further, its 12AM.

It was all because of my eyes, tries to tell me afterwards that Im in the 1% of people that have "effd up" eyes.

This is the third time this has happened. Another time I got pulled over for a taillight out and I was very very generous and I left them do a FULL search of me AND my car, I even offered to let them do it, I got NOTHING to hide.

Dumbass Cops. Then they wonder why they got a bad rep. They say they are just doing their jobs and are trained to do this shit, Harassment is NOT doing your job, just cause I'm 17 doesnt mean i smoke weed or drink. Furthermore should NOT give them a right to harass me like that.

Hell I should go into the station and take that pee test tomorrow voluntarily. Then give em the cops name and everything.

This is NOT okay.

And about the eyes, like i said 3rd time concerning this, its just my eyes they have always done that I guess. Any type of eye medication i could take? Should I go to an eye doctor?

WTF were you thinking?!?!? You let those fascist pigs do a search of you and your car without them having a warrant or probable cause?!?!?

Anyway, you should call the department and complain. They will get into deep **** with their superiors. My father was a police officer, and I plan on becoming one, so I know that most departments these days are obsessed with their public image. They want to get rid of the bad rep that they have, and officers like these are the exact opposite of those goals. If you complain, you could even get these guys suspended or fired, which they definitely deserve for their treatment of you.

Also, it doesn't matter if you have "nothing to hide". Why don't you try standing up for your rights? You have rights protecting you against unreasonable searches, so I suggest you exercise them even in times when you think you don't need them. There are a few applications by the ACLU on the App Store that I would recommend to you, such as "Your Rights" and "Know Your Rights".

CDubby94
07-07-2009, 09:55 AM
Why would you try to get a man fired because of one mistake? Obviously he had reason to believe something was going on because of your eyes, so he was just trying to be cautious. If you WERE drunk or high, and he let you go and you got into an accident, everybody would be saying the cops aren't safe or thorough enough. An hour of wasted time trying to be safe doesn't justify trying to get a man fired from his job and completely ruining his life. Have a heart and let it go.

Booch138
07-07-2009, 10:23 AM
Some cops do their job, yes, some cops harrass, yes. There is no way around it, if you are going to get pulled over, you are getting pulled over. The best thing to do is just keep it cool. I treat them like bees. Don't f*ck with them and they will leave you alone (unless you are doing something bad). Often I have red eyes (not from swimming lol) and an eyedrop by the name of "Roto V" They have a cooling effect and work wonderfully and leave your eyes actually feeling refreshed for a while. Clears up in about 2-5 minutes. I suggest the green one. As for the cop problem, I would just get used to it. It sucks and you can complain (ask for their Supervisors, trust me, that get's their attention quick) but there usually isn't a whole lot of justice that comes from it, and this is coming from Personal exp in the Central Arizona area. Your area might be a tad different. Best of luck to you bro, and like I said. Green RoTo V eye drops. Cost around 2-3~ bucks.

le'deuche123
07-07-2009, 10:39 AM
I got pulled over and ticketed for not wearing my seatbelt on saturday. I've been pulled over for a lot of things, but this is the first time a cop pulled me over for no other reason then I wasn't wearing my seatbelt. I should have the choice between internal injuries and ejection from the vehicle at high speed. If I want to fly like a missile instead of being crushed like a coke can, why can I not make that choice? Plus I asked if he was serious and he said they can't give out warnings,....I was like well, how bout no warning, no ticket, no anything??? Nobody will even have to know this happened....he did not like this response and proceeded to deliver my $96 ticket firmly into my hand. Funny thing is is that I was probably driving the nicest I ever have.....aren't there drunk driver's to thwart??

Yagami_Light
07-07-2009, 11:07 AM
Why would you try to get a man fired because of one mistake? Obviously he had reason to believe something was going on because of your eyes, so he was just trying to be cautious. If you WERE drunk or high, and he let you go and you got into an accident, everybody would be saying the cops aren't safe or thorough enough. An hour of wasted time trying to be safe doesn't justify trying to get a man fired from his job and completely ruining his life. Have a heart and let it go.

There is a difference between being cautious and being a complete ass, which this cop was being. I have a lot of respect for police and anyone who would put their life on the line for an extremely small salary (as I've said, my father was one, and I've wanted to be one since I was 5), but some people get to be arrogant douches when given power.

Holding someone for an entire hour is excessive, and an abuse of power. You can do a field sobriety test in about 5 minutes, and get a pretty good idea if someone is capable of operating a vehicle. This cop was just bullying him, and deserves to be reprimanded.


but thankfully obama is going to legalize it so no more problem :)


Do you honestly believe that? Obama just used promises like that to get teens to support him. He is just like any of the other puppets presidents. Look at how all of his actions as president so far have been practically identical to Bush's. He is doing bailouts, throwing money at rich CEOs (and by extension, promoting socialism. Why should we give our money to these people who make hundreds of thousands more than we do just because they made some bad business decisions?), and is doing nothing to give back all of the civil liberties that Bush took away.

le'deuche123
07-07-2009, 11:21 AM
Do you honestly believe that? Obama just used promises like that to get teens to support him. He is just like any of the other puppets presidents. Look at how all of his actions as president so far have been practically identical to Bush's. He is doing bailouts, throwing money at rich CEOs (and by extension, promoting socialism. Why should we give our money to these people who make hundreds of thousands more than we do just because they made some bad business decisions?), and is doing nothing to give back all of the civil liberties that Bush took away.

Well the only civil liberty I really want is to smoke pot....in the same bars, public events, that alcohol is consumed:) Or we should outlaw both, but not one or the other.

Boardumb
07-07-2009, 11:47 AM
You want to talk about unfair harrassment from cops, try being a skateboarder :/

Anyway, there's cool cops in this world that do the right thing, and actually try to make a difference, and treat you like an equal human being. Then there's the power hungry pricks that will abuse their status and talk down to everyone around. And there could be a murder happening right in front of them, but if it's their coffee break they'll just sit there like a log and do nothing. Or pull you over and harrass you for no reason. Just one of those things you have to deal with, there's not too much you can do I think. Although it can be quite rewarding when you AREN'T doing anything wrong, and they swear they've got you on something, but you're all good and it's just like "do your worst cop". Then that's when they plant drugs on you. :(

Booch138
07-07-2009, 12:11 PM
Do you honestly believe that? Obama just used promises like that to get teens to support him. He is just like any of the other puppets presidents. Look at how all of his actions as president so far have been practically identical to Bush's. He is doing bailouts, throwing money at rich CEOs (and by extension, promoting socialism. Why should we give our money to these people who make hundreds of thousands more than we do just because they made some bad business decisions?), and is doing nothing to give back all of the civil liberties that Bush took away.

No, not really. He really is doing the best that he can do, and though he has not implimented everything he has said thus far, he is doing a F*CK load better than Bush. He is giving bailouts because we are f*cked if we don't at the moment. However, if we legalize pot, we WILL have money to throw around (if pot was taxed). We would be making bank. So yeah I honestly believe he will, and not for teens to support him. He will legalize it in the sense that everyone will have to have a medical license for it. So you can't just go to the stop and pick some up, you need a license. This is already implimented in like.. what 14 states already? It's only a matter of time before almost all states take it up.

You want to talk about unfair harrassment from cops, try being a skateboarder :/



Tell me about it... :(

s0mah
07-07-2009, 12:32 PM
Cop pulls me over, for a modified exhaust.

Stop running in the 90's, speed ricer.

Dio
07-07-2009, 12:47 PM
No, not really. He really is doing the best that he can do, and though he has not implimented everything he has said thus far, he is doing a F*CK load better than Bush. He is giving bailouts because we are f*cked if we don't at the moment. However, if we legalize pot, we WILL have money to throw around (if pot was taxed). We would be making bank. So yeah I honestly believe he will, and not for teens to support him. He will legalize it in the sense that everyone will have to have a medical license for it. So you can't just go to the stop and pick some up, you need a license. This is already implimented in like.. what 14 states already? It's only a matter of time before almost all states take it up.


I'm sorry, but I can't believe you honestly think he will legalize pot. It's probably the dumbest thing a politician in the US could do. He would get so much sh!t for it and lose SO much respect. It's not just about us smokers you know, there are a so many more people who oppose it and would rather it remain illegal.

And imho, I think marijuana is one of the dumbest things to be doing as a teenager (I unfortunately have done it daily this past year as a sophomore in high school, and just now have I begun to stop). You can say all you want about how harmless it is, cause that's not true. There have been so many times where I wish I never started it because I'm not the same as I was before. I've seen what its done to my friends and how dramatically its changed everyone's lives. Just drink if anything, but don't drive ;) just my 2 cents.

Dio
07-07-2009, 12:55 PM
@booch
sorry didn't realize you said for medical puposes. I agree with you on that

Booch138
07-07-2009, 01:07 PM
I'm sorry, but I can't believe you honestly think he will legalize pot. It's probably the dumbest thing a politician in the US could do. He would get so much sh!t for it and lose SO much respect. It's not just about us smokers you know, there are a so many more people who oppose it and would rather it remain illegal.


Like I said, if he was just to leagalize it for everyone to use, that would be stupid. But with a medical license, which he is intending, it should be perfectly fine. And yeah he more of less is for Decriminalizing vs. legalizing it for recreation.

And imho, I think marijuana is one of the dumbest things to be doing as a teenager (I unfortunately have done it daily this past year as a sophomore in high school, and just now have I begun to stop). You can say all you want about how harmless it is, cause that's not true. There have been so many times where I wish I never started it because I'm not the same as I was before. I've seen what its done to my friends and how dramatically its changed everyone's lives. Just drink if anything, but don't drive ;) just my 2 cents.

Marajuana is not for everyone. And though it is said to be "Harmless" it does make you stupid over a long period of time. It makes you forgetful, yeah. But Only if you have been doing it for 8 years straight almost everyday for those years(I am speaking of course out of experience). I can say that marajuana effects friends and stuff, but honestly man you are a sophmore in highschool. You probably don't want to hear it, but you are going to see a lot of changes in your friends and life, and it won't be solely because of marajuana. You will probably only talk to about a 10th of the friends you speak to now 2 years after school. Thats just the way it is lol... Thats not pot, thats life. Just saying though... it's different for everyone. If you feel you should quit, you should. It's not as addicting as everyone thinks. It's just when you get dependant on the feeling, is when you are 'addicted'. It isn't bad to stop though. It just became a regular thing in my life too early in my life. So I am little partial to it. It really helped me out through my high-school years, as I was going through a lot with my parents and school. It never affected my school work though.

I will disagree with you over Alchohol vs. Pot. I don't think people should just drink rather than smoke. Smoking is much safer, and alchohol is WAY the f*ck worse than pot. Now THAT I have seen ruin a few of my old friends. Never pot though. Alcohol is actually chemically addicting.

BATTLE BORN
07-07-2009, 01:18 PM
there's a bazillion cops on the road out here going ticket crazy lately. They must be getting orders to bring in money any way they can.

as for pot being legal? it's practically legal now already, at least where I live. Cops will just tell you to do it at home, unless you do something stupid to make them mad. Worst case scenario they can write you a ticket, but if you cooperate they rarely do.

If they make pot legal, the state will lose all the money they make from busting drug dealers, and start giving DUI's to the rest of us to make up for it.
at least that's what was proposed here. all the kids were stoked at the thought of "legal" pot, but didn't stop to consider the EXTREMELY STRICT DUI laws that would come along with it.

I'll take a cheap misdemeanor ticket over a DUI any day of the week. however I understand cops and state laws are less lenient in other states

Booch138
07-07-2009, 01:22 PM
there's a bazillion cops on the road out here going ticket crazy lately. They must be getting orders to bring in money any way they can.

as for pot being legal? it's practically legal now already, at least where I live. Cops will just tell you to do it at home, unless you do something stupid to make them mad. Worst case scenario they can write you a ticket, but if you cooperate they rarely do.

If they make pot legal, the state will lose all the money they make from busting drug dealers, and start giving DUI's to the rest of us to make up for it.
at least that's what was proposed here. all the kids were stoked at the thought of "legal" pot, but didn't stop to consider the EXTREMELY STRICT DUI laws that would come along with it.

I'll take a cheap misdemeanor ticket over a DUI anyway of the week.


Where I live, it's similar. They often won't do much unless you are driving around with more than an Oz (if you are caught with it) or your eyes are redder than the devil's dick. It's the driving thing that people get stupid about. I keep it to myself, and never worry about driving around high or anything. I keep it at my home, and only my home.

le'deuche123
07-07-2009, 01:24 PM
Well I have my own battle with it. I LOVE IT!!! But at the same time it's $$$$$. It wasn't that big of a problem till my hours got cut at work (at a stock brokerage:rolleyes:) and now I want more than I can afford:( It's an inherent side effect of my belief structure: "Weed will get through days with no money,.....better than money will get you through days with no weed":)

UPDATE: Yeah I live in florida, where the cops are epically lame. They will and have resorted to very shady means in order to wrangle a bust. Especially when your roomates dating one of the cops ex's:eek: Lots of broken "glass" after that incident:(

Booch138
07-07-2009, 01:37 PM
Well I have my own battle with it. I LOVE IT!!! But at the same time it's $$$$$. It wasn't that big of a problem till my hours got cut at work (at a stock brokerage:rolleyes:) and now I want more than I can afford:(

Yeah I have a similar issue with it. I only need about an Oz for a little less than a week's worth, which is about 60-70~ a week. Which adds up for sure. It kind of reminds me of the app store :)


"Weed will get through days with no money,.....better than money will get you through days with no weed"

No truer words have been spoken on this site. :D

Boardumb
07-07-2009, 02:52 PM
LoL, I love how this turned into a weed conversation :D I'm pretty much a "daily smoker", have been since I was about 17. I have issues with it as well, although the times that I've quit I've found I'm actually a much better person when I'm doing it. Plus the money thing sucks, when I was jobless a few years ago and living off unemployment, I'd wake up smoking and smoke all day long into the wee hours. I was going thru it super fast, and the cost was killing me. I had to put myself on a strict budget with it, and I still maintain that today. I have a job now, so pretty much I just smoke a couple times a night after work and maybe an entire day on the weekends. But an OZ a month, yikes! Right now, I make a quarter last me just about a month, so not too bad. I spend more on cigarettes LoL. Sure, I'd be a more productive person if I didn't do it, but personally I think the benefits outweigh the negatives, at least for me. As was said, it's different to everyone.
I will disagree with you over Alchohol vs. Pot. I don't think people should just drink rather than smoke. Smoking is much safer, and alchohol is WAY the f*ck worse than pot. Now THAT I have seen ruin a few of my old friends. Never pot though. Alcohol is actually chemically addicting.
I totally agree with this, pot's not great but IMO alcohol is way worse. If you look at how many people die in drunk driving accidents, compared to high driving accidents, it wouldn't even be close. I'm not sure I've ever heard of a death that resulted from a stoned driver, if anything I drive SAFER if I've been smoking! I think pot and alcohol are just like anything, you need to use good judgment and moderation.

Just stay away from meth, def stay away from meth.

le'deuche123
07-07-2009, 03:33 PM
Yeah an OZ a month is about where I'm at. So that's roughly $400 a month!!! I'm trying to reign that in. Like BOARDDUMB said, I need to save the smoking all day thing for the weekends. I've been trying to do that, the only problem is that with less time at work, I now get longer weekends....you see where I'm going. Just had a 5 day weekend unpaid!!! WHOOHOO!!

Booch138
07-07-2009, 03:53 PM
Man I miss the days when an Oz would last me a month ahahahaha By myself it would last me maybe 2 weeks, but between my and my wife, nah it aint happening. lol. And yeah I love how this conversation turned out hahaaha.

I keep it to myself at nights after work, or all day weekend unless I got shit to do that requires me going somewhere. I still get yardwork done/House cleaned/Car taken care of and stuff high ^.^

I don't condone people driving and smoking, but I know at least for me, it is easier to drive stoned than drunk. Way easier. And yeah f*ck meth.

The Game Reaper
07-07-2009, 03:54 PM
Stop running in the 90's, speed ricer.
What's a speed ricer?

Booch138
07-07-2009, 04:00 PM
What's a speed ricer?

It was a joke. Instead of "Speed Racer" like when people say "Calm Down Speed Racer", but he said "Ricer" like "Rice Burner" car, probably reffering to the Modified Exhuast, which is popular with Imported Japanese tuners, commonly jokingly reffered to as "Rice Burners". lol Pretty clever s0mah

CDubby94
07-07-2009, 04:10 PM
It's almost 4:21.

HardcoreEricXXX
07-07-2009, 04:23 PM
You should have asked for a warrent. They will ask every person this hoping they are intimidated and will let them search the vehicle. And they'll find an open container or small bag of weed (or paraphernalia).
And, in most states, a cop can't hold you longer than it takes to settle the original reason they pulled you over. So say a cop pulls you over for expired tags and asks to search your car, but you ask to see a warrent, so he says he is going to call in a K-9 unit. He would need the k-9 unit to arrive, extract you from the car and search you, circle the car with the K9 and issue the ticket in a reasonable amount of time compared to pulling you over for your tags and issuing the ticket. Otherwise, any evidence found after this reasonable amount of time can be inadmissable in court..

le'deuche123
07-07-2009, 04:27 PM
It's almost 5pm here!! That means works over, and I can go home and curl up with my favorite joint, and maybe smoke a book.......wait???

Booch138
07-07-2009, 04:33 PM
You should have asked for a warrent. They will ask every person this hoping they are intimidated and will let them search the vehicle. And they'll find an open container or small bag of weed (or paraphernalia).
And, in most states, a cop can't hold you longer than it takes to settle the original reason they pulled you over. So say a cop pulls you over for expired tags and asks to search your car, but you ask to see a warrent, so he says he is going to call in a K-9 unit. He would need the k-9 unit to arrive, extract you from the car and search you, circle the car with the K9 and issue the ticket in a reasonable amount of time compared to pulling you over for your tags and issuing the ticket. Otherwise, any evidence found after this reasonable amount of time can be inadmissable in court..

The only time this does not work, is if your car is wreaking of something illigal, or they can visibly see something. Then they have reasonable suspicion. But other than that, yes this is true. Cops are trained, weather we like it or not, to be intimidating. Most people don't know they NEED a search warrant to actually search your car, and they take advantage of that.

Booch138
07-07-2009, 04:40 PM
It's almost 5pm here!! That means works over, and I can go home and curl up with my favorite joint, and maybe smoke a book.......wait???

I remember the days of joints. All I can say, is once you hit a bong, you never back. lol bubblers are cool too.

le'deuche123
07-07-2009, 04:52 PM
I remember the days of joints. All I can say, is once you hit a bong, you never back. lol bubblers are cool too.

Ohhh, believe me, that's the philosophy I live by. I was just messing, I go for glass any chance I get. Personally I love the ROAR bongs. NOTHING and I mean NOTHING competes. A 1 1/2 footer will beat any 6'+ pipe on the market.

The Bat Outta Hell
07-07-2009, 05:06 PM
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:D

Booch138
07-07-2009, 05:12 PM
Ohhh, believe me, that's the philosophy I live by. I was just messing, I go for glass any chance I get. Personally I love the ROAR bongs. NOTHING and I mean NOTHING competes. A 1 1/2 footer will beat any 6'+ pipe on the market.

Yeah I have quite a few of them. I'll have to take some pics ahhaahah I could make a collage with all the toys I have.

Kamazar
07-07-2009, 05:24 PM
Yeah I have quite a few of them. I'll have to take some pics ahhaahah I could make a collage with all the toys I have.

Make a shrine? Shrine of all that is holy and high, of all that is smokey, of all... yeah, forget I said that. I know nothing about drugs. I don't even know where I'd start to get them.

Booch138
07-07-2009, 05:25 PM
Thats allright Kamazar. You are still cool. hahaha

But on a serious note, I probably could make a shrine. lmao

jchampl
07-07-2009, 05:48 PM
let's see:
your 17
in a modified car
out at midnight
have red eyes
probably are acting like you have better things to be doing


I would pull you over as well. As an officer of the law if we pull over someone and then let them go and they get in to an accident, due to drugs or alcohol we are suspended for a few days. Here's the deal we don't pull people over for no reason, if you drove a normal car and weren't out at midnight none of this would have happened. Occasionally our job might create hassles, but when you live all the way to 80 years old without getting hit by a drunk driver then you can thank us because I sense you have no respect as to the importance and the difficulty of our job right now at your young age of 17. The fact that you have been pulled over multiple times tells me you are giving the officers plenty of reason to suspect something is wrong with you. I'm so glad you "let" him search your car, I'm sure he felt so grateful that you let him do that, seeing as he could have easily towed your car and gotten a warrant to search it the next day. I sense it will take many more times for you to get pulled over, but I hope one day you learn.


Also I love how people on here are giving advice about you can only hold a person for what you pulled them over for and anything after that time can be dismissed. Total crap. There is no given time for a traffic stop due to difficult people, and sometimes drivers that don't speak good english a traffic stop can take as long as we see fit. If you try that in front of a judge they will just laugh, it's just like the people that try the "uh when was your radar gun last calibrated?" It doesn't work, it does provide us with plenty of humor. Also we don't need a warrant to tow your car, which I can do for expired tags, and then plenty of time to get a warrant to search your car. But keep providing humor internet lawyers. I don't have to work tonight so I'll be bored and looking for more ways to beat the system.

Phil_Synowiec
07-07-2009, 05:51 PM
Back on topic.

@jchampl

your 17 - allowed to be driving passed my old curfew of 11PM sicne Ive had my license for over 12 months.
in a modified car - I have nothing really to say about this but aroudn my car there is SOOO much louder cars, especially at night, the types that make car alarms go off.
out at midnight - Im allowed to be driving + i was driving home
have red eyes - I just told him I was swimming, i was still a little wet
probably are acting like you have better things to be doing - definately not, 3 secs at every stop sign(i count), blinkers ALL the time, accelerate calmly.





My eyes werent red, it was my pupils. I dont know why they do that. He explained to me what they were doing and he said something about them not getting smaller when he shines the light.

Anyways. My exhaust is modified because its a performance car.

And one last question, he searched me when I stepped out of the car. Is he allowed to do that without a warrent? I didnt have anything on me, I just rather not be searched. Im not on probation or anything, my records clean.

Please answer on topic =D

jchampl
07-07-2009, 05:52 PM
You want to talk about unfair harrassment from cops, try being a skateboarder :/


want to talk about unfair lets talk about the two new picnic tables that have been damaged by skateboarders, that I just bought outside my business. that's unfair.

jchampl
07-07-2009, 06:00 PM
My eyes werent red, it was my pupils. I dont know why they do that. He explained to me what they were doing and he said something about them not getting smaller when he shines the light.

yup your pupils should contract, and if they weren't it's most likely a sign of drug use.

Anyways. My exhaust is modified because its a performance car.

so are mine, but that doesn't mean I have to put a fart can on them. bigger exhaust doesn't mean it has more performance, if it did car manufactures would equip it on their vehicles, they would love to make an exhaust for the same price that increases it's performance and sell the car for more money, but the fact is they don't do anything but attract attention, which is fine for us. it makes it easier to spot waldo.

And one last question, he searched me when I stepped out of the car. Is he allowed to do that without a warrent? I didnt have anything on me, I just rather not be searched. Im not on probation or anything, my records clean.


yup he is, because he has no idea if you have a weapon on you when you have stepped outside your car that could be used against the officer. when you are outside the car the officer has to be sure he is completely safe, the same reason you were removed from the car, you are behind the wheel of a 3000 pound weapon.

jchampl
07-07-2009, 06:03 PM
and for the love of god, it's WARRANTS, not warrents. this applies to just about everyone in this thread, not just you phil.

Booch138
07-07-2009, 06:20 PM
want to talk about unfair lets talk about the two new picnic tables that have been damaged by skateboarders, that I just bought outside my business. that's unfair.

jchampl: You are a police officer correct? First off let me thank you for your service to your community and the effort you as a person provide to keep our streets safe (No sarcasm intended what-so-ever.) But you have to understand something. You are NOT the only law officer in this country. I live in an area called Coolidge, Arizona. The majority of cops here literally are crooked, as well as a few of them in neighboring towns. It's a really small town. I know you probably hear it all the time, and the whole "Crooked Cop" complaining can get out of hand. However, my wife is a Process Server, so she deals with a TON of cases as you can imagine (with me knowing some of these things, she can get in trouble, so I will not say anything further). And the sh!t she digs up on some of these cops, are flat out outragous. Now I know not all cops are bad at all, and I don't walk around with that mentality. I expect that when I am pulled over, I am pulled over for a reason. But we sometimes we get pulled over for the flat out stupidest sh!t, it's not even funny. I got pulled over once, because I was at a light waiting for it to turn green to go straight, and on the other end, was a cop (though I didn't know this at the time). It was about 7:30 pm or so, and in the winter, so it was a bit dark. He literally flashed his brights on me, so I flashed them back, as a joke or whatever. I don't know why I did it back, but anyways, the light turns green, he flips a bitch, and pulls me over. I ask him kindly what I can do for him, and he started saying that "People around here flash each other to meet up with each others to sell drugs, where are you headed". And I just explaned to him that I was going home... had no intention of doing anything illigal, had no idea that flashing people meant selling drugs, and that I only flashed him because he flashed me. He said that he didn't flash me... but he clearly did. I mean it's not hard to tell, and if he did it on accident, he could have told me... it does happen. He went back to his car, and returned to me about 3 mins later. I got away with a warning about watching my speed... so... which is it? What the hell was that about?

It's all about experience, and though I believe the OP was probably asking for it (considering that he has been pulled over multiple times) but I don't know him. I gave certain advice on here to him explaning what he can do for the most part, not what he should do, and only because I know a bit of the law here (I hear about that kind of crap all the time at home). If you are a good clean member of the law, I commend you in your efforts, but unfortunately you are more and more in the Minority these days.

starjimstar
07-07-2009, 06:29 PM
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Booch138
07-07-2009, 06:35 PM
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jchampl
07-07-2009, 07:12 PM
jchampl: You are a police officer correct? First off let me thank you for your service to your community and the effort you as a person provide to keep our streets safe (No sarcasm intended what-so-ever.) But you have to understand something. You are NOT the only law officer in this country. I live in an area called Coolidge, Arizona. The majority of cops here literally are crooked, as well as a few of them in neighboring towns. It's a really small town. I know you probably hear it all the time, and the whole "Crooked Cop" complaining can get out of hand. However, my wife is a Process Server, so she deals with a TON of cases as you can imagine (with me knowing some of these things, she can get in trouble, so I will not say anything further). And the sh!t she digs up on some of these cops, are flat out outragous. Now I know not all cops are bad at all, and I don't walk around with that mentality. I expect that when I am pulled over, I am pulled over for a reason. But we sometimes we get pulled over for the flat out stupidest sh!t, it's not even funny. I got pulled over once, because I was at a light waiting for it to turn green to go straight, and on the other end, was a cop (though I didn't know this at the time). It was about 7:30 pm or so, and in the winter, so it was a bit dark. He literally flashed his brights on me, so I flashed them back, as a joke or whatever. I don't know why I did it back, but anyways, the light turns green, he flips a bitch, and pulls me over. I ask him kindly what I can do for him, and he started saying that "People around here flash each other to meet up with each others to sell drugs, where are you headed". And I just explaned to him that I was going home... had no intention of doing anything illigal, had no idea that flashing people meant selling drugs, and that I only flashed him because he flashed me. He said that he didn't flash me... but he clearly did. I mean it's not hard to tell, and if he did it on accident, he could have told me... it does happen. He went back to his car, and returned to me about 3 mins later. I got away with a warning about watching my speed... so... which is it? What the hell was that about?

It's all about experience, and though I believe the OP was probably asking for it (considering that he has been pulled over multiple times) but I don't know him. I gave certain advice on here to him explaning what he can do for the most part, not what he should do, and only because I know a bit of the law here (I hear about that kind of crap all the time at home). If you are a good clean member of the law, I commend you in your efforts, but unfortunately you are more and more in the Minority these days.

fair enough, there are bad cops.... there is not a single officer that will deny that, but there are a lot of good cops as well. i get to drive an unmarked car, that get's plenty of attention and plenty of people that want to "hot rod" or "toy around" with it. a very common sign that you are looking to showboat around with someone is to flash your lights, i usualy don't instigate the flashing but on occasion I have and more often then not, the car will turn it loose like a bat out of hell, and on come my lights, and I have to hear the similar story that you are telling me right now. However I do believe you, you can tell when a "grown up" tells a story, and doesn't have to have an excuse for every little thing, and when a child has to go and lie and make himself look 100% correct. It's most likely why you were given a warning and not a ticket, although the warning was udder crap, it was nothing more than that.

Booch138
07-07-2009, 07:36 PM
fair enough, there are bad cops.... there is not a single officer that will deny that, but there are a lot of good cops as well. i get to drive an unmarked car, that get's plenty of attention and plenty of people that want to "hot rod" or "toy around" with it. a very common sign that you are looking to showboat around with someone is to flash your lights, i usualy don't instigate the flashing but on occasion I have and more often then not, the car will turn it loose like a bat out of hell, and on come my lights, and I have to hear the similar story that you are telling me right now. However I do believe you, you can tell when a "grown up" tells a story, and doesn't have to have an excuse for every little thing, and when a child has to go and lie and make himself look 100% correct. It's most likely why you were given a warning and not a ticket, although the warning was udder crap, it was nothing more than that.

And see if the cop were to tell me that, I would understand lol. I know that like.. people up in the valley will flash each other to try and race each other and stuff like that... but I mean this was in the middle of an intersection in the middle of town... lol not very many people are stupid enough to race in the middle of town, and if they do they deserve whatever happens to them lol. And yeah, that officer lost all credibility with me, when he let me off on a warning for speeding. I mean when he said that I said to myself "Wow….". And there are plenty of great cops, like I said. I acknowledge and completely respect Police Authority, it's only when it is abused is when I will be like any other upset citizen.

I can see that it's a good tactic to instigate the lights, and driving an unmarked car you must have a nice turn-out of assholes that will fly around. I don't nessisarily think that is cool, but I understand it and in many cases I don't care. I drive a crappy 1999 Alternative Fueled Ford Contour, so I am not going to try and race anyone anytime soon, therefor it doesn't affect me in the least. lol You seem like a fair cop, and like I said. Hat's off to you, and keep up the good work. Slam a couple tweakers in the face for me if you get the chance :)

However I do believe you, you can tell when a "grown up" tells a story, and doesn't have to have an excuse for every little thing, and when a child has to go and lie and make himself look 100% correct.

What I hate, is hearing about these kids that deserve to get locked the f*ck up for over-excessive speeding, underage drinking or the like, but get away with it because their parents have way too much money, or in my hometown's case, parents with too much political influence over the community.

le'deuche123
07-07-2009, 07:42 PM
Jchamp- I'd be glad to have a coplike you around:) You do not appear to be offended by our lifestyle..... What's your take on herbal supplements??? You of all people would appreciate the variety offered to those with finer taste. Your love of fine beer compliments it well:)

Booch138
07-07-2009, 07:46 PM
Jchamp- I'd be glad to have a coplike you around:) You do not appear to be offended by our lifestyle..... What's your take on herbal supplements??? You of all people would appreciate the variety offered to those with finer taste. Your love of fine beer compliments it well:)

Agreed, I would like to hear his thoughts as well. Seems like a rad down-to-earth guy, which is rare in police. Usually they get to power hungry, like a counsin of mine. He became a cop, and I have hated him since.

The Bat Outta Hell
07-07-2009, 08:02 PM
I read something about skateboarders. Whatever you do, DO NOT skateboard in Baltimore.
9GgWrV8TcUc

Kamazar
07-07-2009, 08:29 PM
I read something about skateboarders. Whatever you do, DO NOT skateboard in Chicago.

YouTube: video (http://youtube.com/watch?v=9GgWrV8TcUc)

Hahaha, that ridiculous toy car, the blue and bright yellow uniform, the high pants, and the always badass name, Rivieri. It's like a real-life Punisher. Wonder if he feels the same way about waveboarders?

Dio
07-07-2009, 08:29 PM
I remember the days of joints. All I can say, is once you hit a bong, you never back. lol bubblers are cool too.

Bong's are awesome, but gravity bongs are the best :) got one in my basement. But seriously, it is fun and all, it's just I see it affecting my life. It's almost become that my priority is to smoke, and the rest is just whatever.

WellSpentYouth
07-07-2009, 08:37 PM
Also, it doesn't matter if you have "nothing to hide". Why don't you try standing up for your rights? You have rights protecting you against unreasonable searches, so I suggest you exercise them even in times when you think you don't need them. There are a few applications by the ACLU on the App Store that I would recommend to you, such as "Your Rights" and "Know Your Rights".

Well, if the officer demands to search the car and threatens, just let them. You can sort it all out later. I would kindly say no thank, but if he says I need to, then just let them. If you don't, that could lead to some trouble.

Zincous
07-07-2009, 08:41 PM
Well, if the officer demands to search the car and threatens, just let them. You can sort it all out later. I would kindly say no thank, but if he says I need to, then just let them. If you don't, that could lead to some trouble.

No it can't lead to trouble. They don't "need" to search it for anything. If they needed to, they would, because they could. They are only asking because they can't, and need permission from you without having reasonable cause. Otherwise, you have rights and can say "no".

starjimstar
07-07-2009, 08:51 PM
Well, if the officer demands to search the car and threatens, just let them. You can sort it all out later. I would kindly say no thank, but if he says I need to, then just let them. If you don't, that could lead to some trouble.

That is terrible advice.

organerito
07-07-2009, 09:02 PM
I lived in the USA for 4 years (I am not American). I was a full scholarship student. A Police officer stopped me and he asked me if I spoke English and I said yes. Then, the other officer asked me the same question 2 minutes after. That's not all. they asked a third time. They also asked me if I was illegal. i told them that I didn't have to answer that question. They made get out of the car. They asked me if I had guns or knifes. I told them that was racial profiling. They told me to shut up and I asked them for their names, they got really mad and they left.

I can understand that they have to do their job. I am Mexican and I understand there are many stupid Mexican people in the USA. However, that doesn't mean that they have to treat all the same. i have so many stories about cops being very racist. I know some of them are really good and willing to help anyone, but some of the are just nasty.

AttackOfThePwned
07-07-2009, 09:08 PM
Treat all cops with respect (even the prick cops). I know it isn't worth wasting my time arguing with them.

I was pulled over once for turning left on a red light. Cop came up and asked me why I turned left on a red. I said because it was a one way street and it is legal to do so. He went back to his car, a minute later came back and apologized telling me it had been a long day.

I could have acted like a prick and cussed him out for wasting my time but everyone has one of those days. Even though I was mad I told him not to worry and went on my way.

Rise above all the bs, act like a man and you will get more out of life IMHO. Yelling at that cop would have wasted my energy and time and I would have looked as much as a fool as I am sure he felt.

Just move on.

pharmx
07-07-2009, 09:12 PM
I read something about skateboarders. Whatever you do, DO NOT skateboard in Chicago.

YouTube: video (http://youtube.com/watch?v=9GgWrV8TcUc)

Lol, why am I getting the urge to sing that NWA song?

HardcoreEricXXX
07-07-2009, 09:18 PM
Also I love how people on here are giving advice about you can only hold a person for what you pulled them over for and anything after that time can be dismissed. Total crap. There is no given time for a traffic stop due to difficult people, and sometimes drivers that don't speak good english a traffic stop can take as long as we see fit. If you try that in front of a judge they will just laugh, it's just like the people that try the "uh when was your radar gun last calibrated?" It doesn't work, it does provide us with plenty of humor. Also we don't need a warrant to tow your car, which I can do for expired tags, and then plenty of time to get a warrant to search your car. But keep providing humor internet lawyers. I don't have to work tonight so I'll be bored and looking for more ways to beat the system.

I was pulled over while pulling into my driveway my senior year of high school for expired tags and was asked to step out of the car and wether or not he could search the vehicle. I said he could with a warrant. He said he was going to call a K-9 unit down, it was at another traffic stop. By the time they found the .7g of primo marijuana stashed with my gas cap with the dog I'd been standing there for 42 minutes, since he'd said he was getting a K-9. My lawyer appealed for the evidence to be supressed saying I had been held for an unreasonable amount of time for issuing a ticket for my tags, the judge deemed the evidence inadmissable. He never threatened to tow my car, just got a ticket, but I was pulled over pulling into my driveway.

CDubby94
07-07-2009, 10:02 PM
I read something about skateboarders. Whatever you do, DO NOT skateboard in Chicago.

YouTube: video (http://youtube.com/watch?v=9GgWrV8TcUc)

That's Baltimore not Chicago.

And I may not be a skater anymore but I still love me some Nike SB's.

Eli
07-07-2009, 10:02 PM
want to talk about unfair lets talk about the two new picnic tables that have been damaged by skateboarders, that I just bought outside my business. that's unfair.

Holy cow can I just quote this for agreement 500 times.

When I was a stupid teenage skateboarder I had the worst attitude towards cops because they kept raining on my phat grind and skate video parades. I had the whole "skateboarding is not a crime" going and everything else.

Then I grew up.

And now I realize I was really messing up curbs, benches, rails, and picnic tables as we slathered skate wax all over everything that never washed off, messed up all kinds of paint, and just generally cost taxpayers and business owners tons of money as they repaired or replaced everything we were slowly destroying.

Now I can't help but laugh when I hear skater kids complaining about cops.

starjimstar
07-07-2009, 10:16 PM
My parents wouldn't buy me a skateboard because they didn't want me to be a criminal.

Zincous
07-07-2009, 10:17 PM
My parents wouldn't buy me a skateboard because they didn't want me to be a criminal.

Lol that's a little hypocritical.....:p

dannys95
07-07-2009, 10:19 PM
I can't really imagine Hodapp as a skate punk..............sorta shocked.

dorino
07-07-2009, 10:39 PM
I haven't read any of this thread, so let me share my cop story:
4 years ago I was arrested.
They took my computer.
I hit one of the cops.


Bad move.
/end

Kamazar
07-07-2009, 10:50 PM
I haven't read any of this thread, so let me share my cop story:
4 years ago I was arrested.
They took my computer.
I hit one of the cops.


Bad move.
/end

1) Why?
2) Why?!
3) ...!
4) Yeah, they don't tend to like that.

sundance kid
07-08-2009, 05:58 AM
how ironic, read this thread yesterday, and tonight i get pulled over. gonna have to go to f-ing traffic school for 8 hours.8am-4pm
that's a lot of iphone gaming time
so im gonna bring my iphone and ipod touch :) ha

i should go start one of the" i have a eight hour traffic school class to go to, what games should i get?" thread hahahaha just kidding
i have enough games to keep me happy, while they talk BS in the class.

AaronAMV
07-08-2009, 12:54 PM
why don't you do thetraffic school online? :/

Booch138
07-08-2009, 01:19 PM
why don't you do thetraffic school online? :/

I don't think that's allowed in Surprise Arizona. I had to go traffic school a couple years ago in Casa Grande and they said I had to physically be present. And to the guy who hit the cop for taking your computer, your name wouldn't happen to be Jey would it? Hahahha had a friend who did that. ****in moron.

Boardumb
07-08-2009, 03:44 PM
want to talk about unfair lets talk about the two new picnic tables that have been damaged by skateboarders, that I just bought outside my business. that's unfair.

Hrmmmm.... brand new skateable benches. Where did you say they are? ;)
Just kidding of course, that does suck and I feel your pain on that one. Skateboarding ruins objects, it's the nature of the beast. What is crazy is the people that don't understand why, they think skaters just ruin curbs and rails as like a form of vandalism, like and F YOU to society or something. That's not true of course, it's just the nature of our hobby. Skateboarding requires sliding rails, grinding curbs, and doing tricks down stairs. The problem I had growing up was there just wasn't anywhere to legally skate, there wasn't tons of skateparks around like there are nowadays. So being a teenager and going behind my local grocery store to ruin their shiny red curbs was pretty much my only option. It's not like I hated the grocery store or anything, in fact I picked the most out of the way place behind the store where no cars were, no trucks unloaded, and would generally be out of everyone's way. I didn't WANT to attract trouble, I just wanted a place to skate. I've been to countless city council meetings lobbying to get a skatepark built, only to have it shot down every time because of insurance reasons. So basically, the police and city's answer to kids like me was "better get another hobby". Wow. What a brilliant solution. It was very frustrating as a youngster. There were places to play basketball, football, baseball diamonds, a roller rink (no skateboards allowed there either), a dirt bike track, an RC car track, golf course & driving range, an ice hockey rink, even a freakin horseshoe pit. All within a few miles of my house, yet there was absolutely nowhere they allowed somebody to skateboard. So illegally taking it to the streets was really our only option. It's not fair skaters ruin people's property, no. But it's also not fair to not provide an adequate place for people to participate in the hobby of their choice. Anyhoo, a few years ago skateboarding got classified as a hazardous sport, therefore making the insurance liability for skateparks be more of a non-issue. And now you see many skateparks being built. I'm an old man now, so don't skate as often as before, but when I do I usually just go down to the skatepark. It's just easier, no one hassles me and I'm not vandalizing anyones new picnic benches or anything. But skateboarding's roots will always be in street obstacles. That's part of the fun, scoping out some architecture that's clearly not meant for skating and then finding a way to skate it. It's just the way it is. And just so you know, my dad is a retired Sheriff's Deputy (as well as Vietnam Vet and volunteer Fireman) so I respect the Hell out of what you do for a living. As was said, there are good cops and bad cops, nothing will ever change that. All I ask from police is to be treated fairly, and talked to like a human being. They don't even have to be nice, I understand you have to be a little dickish when dealing with the public like you do. But sometimes they are just so overzealous, and self righteous, that you feel helpless as they abuse their power. But as I said in my earlier post, some cops have been super cool to me as a skater over the years, and I will always appreciate those officers. Hell, a good majority of the cops that stop me for skating start off with "I use to skateboard back in the day..."

Oh and TBQH, the BMX bikes are the things that REALLY f*ck up curbs/benches. Skating might make it waxy and black, but the bikes take huge chunks of concrete out, and basically destroy it enough to where you can't even SKATE on it anymore. Sorry bikers, I like you guys, but it's true. So JC be on the lookout for those guys :)

Holy cow can I just quote this for agreement 500 times.

When I was a stupid teenage skateboarder I had the worst attitude towards cops because they kept raining on my phat grind and skate video parades. I had the whole "skateboarding is not a crime" going and everything else.

Then I grew up.

And now I realize I was really messing up curbs, benches, rails, and picnic tables as we slathered skate wax all over everything that never washed off, messed up all kinds of paint, and just generally cost taxpayers and business owners tons of money as they repaired or replaced everything we were slowly destroying.

Now I can't help but laugh when I hear skater kids complaining about cops.

Wow, sorry but that is spoken like a true poser. I'm gonna take a guess here, I'm thinking you're probably in your mid-twenties. So, about ten years ago, that's when skating really started getting popular. The X-games had been around for a few years, Tony Hawk came out with Pro Skater as well as busting out a 900, skateboarding was THE cool thing to do at this time. And so I'm sure that's when you decided to pick up skating. I'm guessing you weren't very good at all, cause skating is one of the hardest "sports" to learn in the world. It takes years of dedication, and countless hours daily of practicing to even become somewhat decent at skating. I'm guessing you didn't skate for more than a year, maybe two tops. Then when the fad died down a little, or you moved onto another hobby, you dropped skateboarding and decided that it was just a stupid kids phase. And that's where I think your point just fails wildly. Skateboarding might have been a misguided fashion trend for you, but for countless others it's not just a lifelong hobby, but a passion that cannot even be described. It's the kind of thing that will consume your very being, become your constant infatuation, be the thing that you just cannot stop thinking about. It's basically something you can't explain, and to those that don't also skate they will never get it. And this is how I've determined you are a poser. I have quite a few very close friends who are accomplished professional skaters. They travel the world for free many times over, all have now bought at least one house, own extremely nice cars, and make salaries well into six figures or more. But I'm sure someday they'll grow up and move past all that, right?

Ok, I am coming off extremely harsh towards you Hodapp, it's not totally my intention. Are there knuckleheads out there that destroy property and are dicks to cops and others on purpose? Absolutely. Those people may have skateboards, but they are certainly not skaters. REAL skaters only care about one thing, skating. They'll never be dicks to someone for no reason, or destroy property just cause they can. They just want to get their skate on, and if it means you gotta skate on some other peoples property then so be it. Sorry, no malicious intent, it's just the way things are. I'm sure you could find something about EVERY sport that's either damaging to property or our environment. We shouldn't play baseball anymore cause all the trees we kill to make bats, or not let anyone jetski anymore cause it pollutes the water. Or can somebody PLEASE think of the poor piggies we kill to make a pigskin football!? NFL banned. Unfortunately, skateboarders during the 80's and early 90's picked up the stigma of being punks, and scums of society, and for the most part they did act that way. But a lot has changed since then, those types are still around but there's a whole slew of skaters who grew up with decent families, stayed out of trouble, aren't drug addicts or criminals, etc. Skating is just their passion. It's a hard stigma to shake, as skating is such a new activity, relatively speaking. Ok, this is possibly my longest rant ever, it's just hard to explain my point. Maybe I'm wasting my time, I just think it's asinine to prejudge skateboarders as stupid kids that vandalize property for no reason, and they should just grow up and quit being so smart allecky. I mean, maybe all of us should just grow up and quit dicking around with these silly iPhone games, too.

That's Baltimore not Chicago.

And I may not be a skater anymore but I still love me some Nike SB's.

Well then, might I suggest some shiny new Stefan Janoski's (http://www.nike.com/nikeskateboarding/stefanjanoski/)?? This is one of the accomplished pro skaters I spoke of earlier, and a good friend of mine. Better hurry and snag a pair, before he "grows up" and starts doing something productive with his life.

Eli
07-08-2009, 04:08 PM
Wow, sorry but that is spoken like a true poser.

Not really, I still skate, just at skate parks. Although, after various injuries and just getting old in general I don't skate anywhere near as much as I used to. Instead I'm more in to community activism and played a part in getting my local park district to allocate some funding to build a park in my area. I've also been involved in a few different charities/programs to get inner city kids in Chicago off the streets and in to skate parks as well as helping indie skate companies get online in my spare time.

Tentatively working with Native Skates next, which is run by a good friend of mine who was has skateboards of his on display at the Smithsonian (http://www.lenconnect.com/news/x1662360936/Adrian-man-s-skateboard-artwork-featured-in-a-Smithsonian-museum).

It's not as much fun as skating, but getting kids involved is pretty rewarding. I actually recently gave my last board away to a kid who snapped his, so I haven't been out this season at all.

As far as ruining your grocery store's curbs as your "only option", CCS has been around as long as I can remember and has always sold ramp and rail kits. Hell, you can build your own ramps and rails with construction scraps and other materials that can be found cheaply and easily at your local hardware store.

There's really no excuse for damaging property with your hobby, regardless of how you rationalize the "need". Calling me a poser because I respect the financial investments taxpayers and business owners have made in public and private property is kind of naive.

jchampl
07-08-2009, 04:18 PM
What is crazy is the people that don't understand why, they think skaters just ruin curbs and rails as like a form of vandalism, like and F YOU to society or something. That's not true of course, it's just the nature of our hobby.

what if my hobby was punching old people in the face, it isn't that I dislike old people, it's just that it's the nature of my hobby. is that okay then?

i don't care what your hobby is, when there is a skate park less than a mile away from where I have my business that features boxes, kick ramps, vert ramp, rails, and other stuff as well, it's just plain rude.

le'deuche123
07-08-2009, 04:30 PM
JChampl-your sig says retiring....does this mean we'll get a good bye thread for you?? I will bring cake and cookies, if someone elses grabs chips and soda.

Eli
07-08-2009, 04:35 PM
He's not allowed to retire without finding a beer nut to take his place.

le'deuche123
07-08-2009, 04:38 PM
I like beer, but I think we all know, my preference lies elsewhere:) Wouldn't mind a brewsky right now though....

CDubby94
07-08-2009, 04:58 PM
I'm kind of digging those Stefan Janoski's, but only with a polo and some jeans or khakis, not for skating. They look like those Vans.

jchampl
07-08-2009, 05:04 PM
JChampl-your sig says retiring....does this mean we'll get a good bye thread for you?? I will bring cake and cookies, if someone elses grabs chips and soda.

i'm like an old person that is retired but still works a couple days a week at a supermarket to make a few bucks to buy booze with. i'm not gone, just not here as much. I recently got a job teaching how to make beer, tasting beer, and running a store that sells lots of micro brews and it takes up a lot of time. The forum that I do my beer stuff on, isn't quite as "friendly" as this board and certain language is perfectly acceptable there, so I try and keep myself out of here as much as possible to avoid altercations because I forget the rules of certain forums. as you can see I still pop in now and then. :) but there is no way I'm making a goodbye thread only to keep popping up like everyone else does. I am not that important that we need a thread about that, haha.

jchampl
07-08-2009, 05:06 PM
He's not allowed to retire without finding a beer nut to take his place.

I cracked up a Three Floyds Dark Lord Imperial Stout on my birthday on the 4th, yummmmm. On the third I took a road trip to Mi, to go to Bell's Brewery, Founders, and New Holland. Great trip, I HIGHLY rec Founders Hod, the canadian breakfast stout, and maple mountain brown ale were both fantastic and brew pub exclusives.

CDubby94
07-08-2009, 05:11 PM
I actually just bought a pair of Denim Forbes, they got delivered yesterday and hot dang are they sweet.

Boardumb
07-08-2009, 06:00 PM
Not really, I still skate, just at skate parks. Although, after various injuries and just getting old in general I don't skate anywhere near as much as I used to. Instead I'm more in to community activism and played a part in getting my local park district to allocate some funding to build a park in my area. I've also been involved in a few different charities/programs to get inner city kids in Chicago off the streets and in to skate parks as well as helping indie skate companies get online in my spare time.

Tentatively working with Native Skates next, which is run by a good friend of mine who was has skateboards of his on display at the Smithsonian (http://www.lenconnect.com/news/x1662360936/Adrian-man-s-skateboard-artwork-featured-in-a-Smithsonian-museum).

It's not as much fun as skating, but getting kids involved is pretty rewarding. I actually recently gave my last board away to a kid who snapped his, so I haven't been out this season at all.

As far as ruining your grocery store's curbs as your "only option", CCS has been around as long as I can remember and has always sold ramp and rail kits. Hell, you can build your own ramps and rails with construction scraps and other materials that can be found cheaply and easily at your local hardware store.

There's really no excuse for damaging property with your hobby, regardless of how you rationalize the "need". Calling me a poser because I respect the financial investments taxpayers and business owners have made in public and private property is kind of naive.
Fair enough, like I said I was just guessing at your situation, since I've known many people over the years who just jump on the skating bandwagon without ever really caring about the actual skating part. And yes, I'm quite aware of CCS as that was the first thing that got me into skating in 6th grade, a CCS catalog. I've built countless funboxes, and even welded a few of my own flatbars over the years. I've brought those objects to empty parking lots, abandoned lots, and even the grocery store I spoke of. And I've been kicked out of all those places regardless. There is a need to destroy people's property, that's what street skating is, love it or not. It doesn't make it "right" or "fair", but that's the way it will always be. The concrete that we wax up will far outlast all of our lives and people will continue to skate it long after we're all dead and gone. If you don't understand that, that's fine. Like I alluded to, you don't actually "get" what skating is and probably never will. I take that back, skating can be whatever it is to that individual person. So if skating to you is all about skateparks, that's great for you. Your still missing a majority of what the actual sport is, though. Take any video that's come out in the last 15 years and take a look at how many of the dudes in that video have tricks at skateparks compared to street spots. It doesn't even come close. Nobody wants to buy the latest video and watch some guy do something at a place that was built for skating, not usually. The skatepark stuff is boring cause it's a place designed for skating. People want to see the unique skating that you can only get skating streets.
As for helping inner city youth or whatever, that is very commendable. I helped get a skatepark built in my former city as well, and have always looked at skating as a much more desirable hobby than say selling drugs or joining gangs. And I usually only skate at my skatepark now too, it just easier and hassle free. But it's not nearly as fun as actually street skating.

what if my hobby was punching old people in the face, it isn't that I dislike old people, it's just that it's the nature of my hobby. is that okay then?

i don't care what your hobby is, when there is a skate park less than a mile away from where I have my business that features boxes, kick ramps, vert ramp, rails, and other stuff as well, it's just plain rude.
Well, that's a pretty stupid comparison if you ask me. Is punching old people in the face a recognized sport/hobby that millions of people partake in daily? Absolutely not. Is it rude that people skate your benches when there's a skatepark nearby? Yes, yes it is. But like I'm saying, that's the nature of skating and it's never, ever, ever going to change. I'm sorry about your benches getting ruined, but that's life. I feel bad I have to pay $150 to get my window fixed, just because someone's hobby is breaking into my car (which has happened 5 times in the last year). Sucks for me, that's life though. If you really don't like it, skate stop your benches. The skaters will find somewhere else to go.

Hodapp & jchampl: This is a hard point to argue..err.. discuss with you guys, cause I feel like both sides are right in many ways. The fact that skateparks exist is not a reason for people to stop street skating. Skateparks are nice, but it isn't truly skating. First of all, IMO the majority of parks are built by people that have no idea about skating. The city will probably just pick the cheapest contractor, who doesn't skate himself, who will draw up plans for a park that is practically unskateable. Trust me, I have witnessed this dozens of times. That is not a viable solution to me. It's like telling someone they can't play basketball at the schoolyard, but just down the street they built you a 15 foot tall backboard, with an oval rim, and you can play there all you want. Great, thanks, I think I'd rather just go home and play video games. Second of all, skating is all about progression. So you learn a trick down 3 stairs, now you want to try it down 5, then 10, etc. If my skatepark only has a 5 stair, well that's where my progression stops. I'm going to seek out somewhere that has more stairs, simple as that. Could you imagine if they relegated surfers to artificial waves? Why go out in the ocean, when we can make everyone just surf the same exact man-made waves. Or snowboarding. No more back country runs, or hitting unique snowpacks at a mountain that's unlike any other in the world. Just your same, artificial hill that people made for you so you can snowboard without damaging property or what have you. Skateparks are nice for what they are, but they take the heart out of the entire thing.

Phil_Synowiec
07-09-2009, 03:11 AM
Ive searched around the internet for a little bit about my eyes. I'm thinking that I have weak pigment in my retina:
http://ask.metafilter.com/59181/Pupils-that-are-always-dilated-what-does-this-mean

It says that you also have problems with glare, I do. Sometimes, at random, Ill stare at a light for maybe even a milisecond and I will get that light stuck in my eyesight, Afterwards I get a massive Migrane.

CaseyLay
07-20-2009, 05:45 PM
That's definitely the chlorine. There's a visine for that.