View Full Version : Why are so many iphone games so kiddish??
Don't get me wrong I love my iphone games, they're great but why do so many of these games have to be directed towards kids? Peggle, rolando, castle of magic... all great games but where are the games directed to more of an adult audience or at least a teen audience?? I don't understand why so many games seem to be directed towards kids, I wouldn't think too many kids could afford an iphone... Sorry but I want to see more adult type games like gears of war or something of that nature...
Combzzz
07-24-2009, 08:39 PM
? most video games arent based for adualts ahahaha
but u say most kids cant afford iphones, its called parents
ud be suprised how many KIDS have iphones/itouches
where i live atleast 50% of the kids at my school have an ipod touch or iphone
Jaytee
07-24-2009, 08:45 PM
up until just recently, devs were afraid of spending money developing an adult themed game then getting it rejected by apple.
Um most successful video games are based for adults - halo, call of duty, prototype, gears of war.... And I live in the richest place in the U.S and yes there are a few kids who have them but the majority is teenagers and adults
up until just recently, devs were afraid of spending money developing an adult themed game then getting it rejected by apple.
I don't really understand why apple would reject any adult themed games, since they have several r rated movies for sale... even some unrated
Combzzz
07-24-2009, 08:52 PM
Um most successful video games are based for adults - halo, call of duty, prototype, gears of war.... And I live in the richest place in the U.S and yes there are a few kids who have them but the majority is teenagers and adults
im pretty sure x-box is based on teenagers not adults and most iphone games are made for teenagers not kids
im pretty sure x-box is based on teenagers not adults and most iphone games are made for teenagers not kids
No actually the most ppl who buy xbox games are college students up to guys in there thirties... that's the base everyone is trying to get
Kamazar
07-24-2009, 08:59 PM
Kiddish games appeal to the masses, from 5 year olds to 90 year olds. Teen to mature games would definitely do substantially well in the AppStore, but lets face it, along with the fact that Apple is anal about every little thing, blood and gore would look kinda stupid with the amount of processing power currently available. 3G-S wise, it'd look really good, but now, it'd look slightly more violent than Frogger.
Combzzz
07-24-2009, 09:05 PM
well i would consider those people adults that need a life
florbastang
07-24-2009, 10:11 PM
Um most successful video games are based for adults - halo, call of duty, prototype, gears of war.... And I live in the richest place in the U.S and yes there are a few kids who have them but the majority is teenagers and adults
How are you basing success? If you're basing it on sales figures, I suggest you go check out the sales figures for the Wii and it's "kiddish" games. I'm willing to be that the sales for some of those "kiddish" games (e.g., Mario Party, Super Mario Galaxy, Mario...anything) blows the doors off of any of those games listed above.
Regardless, who cares. I don't. And I don't see how Rolando and Peggle are "kiddish". I'm fairly certain that as many adults (if not more) enjoy those games as young kids do. I know I do.
Kamazar
07-24-2009, 10:18 PM
How are you basing success? If you're basing it on sales figures, I suggest you go check out the sales figures for the Wii and it's "kiddish" games. I'm willing to be that the sales for some of those "kiddish" games (e.g., Mario Party, Super Mario Galaxy, Mario...anything) blows the doors off of any of those games listed above.
Regardless, who cares. I don't. And I don't see how Rolando and Peggle are "kiddish". I'm fairly certain that as many adults (if not more) enjoy those games as young kids do. I know I do.
Said Florbastang to the unicorn with the headset.
http://www.macobserver.com/columns/justapeek/2007/12/20071226peggle1.jpg
What is it with people and graphics? Whatever happened to the damn gameplay? Honestly, it's a game, and if you buy it and have fun, then you've got your money's worth, haven't you? I have played the crap out of Peggle, and I'm sixteen. I actually -prefer- games that aren't realistic, because I play games to have the kind of fun I couldn't normally have in real life.
And to those who say people who play video games need to "get a life"... That makes no sense in itself. Video games are one of millions of different hobbies... It's like saying someone who likes fishing needs to get a life.
People seem to be getting more and more closed-minded... In a certain way, anyways. People judge things by their appearance all the time. Video games, people, places, hobbies, everything. It makes no sense to me. I think that the OP is being very video-game... Prejudice? I forget the exact word, that could be it, but bah to that, it's summer. A game should be judged by how much fun you get out of it, not what it looks like, or how advanced it is. People are payed millions of dollars to play baseball. that's hitting a ball with a stick. Pretty complicated huh? Basketball? Throwing a ball into a ring. Sure, there's rules and regulations, but that's the stripped-down basics.
I'm sorry for being angry and all, but labeling a game as being for a certain age group is insane... A game is what you make of it. How much fun you have. If you really don't like it, then just don't play the game, and not complain... You coulda just gotten a psp if you wanted your war-based first person shooter. I'm having fun, why should the entirety of the app store bend to a small group's preferences?
/end angry 2 am rant
blk04a4
07-25-2009, 01:14 AM
Kiddish games appeal to the masses, from 5 year olds to 90 year olds. Teen to mature games would definitely do substantially well in the AppStore, but lets face it, along with the fact that Apple is anal about every little thing, blood and gore would look kinda stupid with the amount of processing power currently available. 3G-S wise, it'd look really good, but now, it'd look slightly more violent than Frogger.
hmmm do you just make up your own specs? because from what i know it's *known* that the RAM in a 3g is 128MB whereas in the 3GS its 256, and the 3G runs ~412MHz and the 3GS ~600MHz(supposedly can perform around 800MHZ tho)
so plz dont give opinions that are completely wrong, the iphone is a ridiculously powerful gaming item
I love Peggle and I am 33. :)
bluecanary
07-25-2009, 03:20 AM
i think people are missing the point. kids games and kiddish games can be great fun. there are also many games that are not kid or young teen specific necessarily but even the games with higher "Ratings" are still kid and young teen friendly. i enjoy many kiddish games myself. but the fact remains that other gaming devices (ps3, xbox, etc.) have games with mature ratings, for people over 17, and they obviously sell because devs keep making them. the touch/iphone, like other systems, aren't exactly cheap, neither is buying games/apps regularly. i understand that parents buy all of these devices for their children, but adults buy them for themselves as well and as such, should be able to buy mature themed games if they want to. they should not be hindered from that option just because parents want to buy touches/iphones for their children. parents buy ps3s and xboxes for their children as well, yet adults using those systems have the option of buying mature 17+ games if they wish. i think this was the OPs point, not that kiddish games aren't fun. i, for one, would love to see a horror game rated above 12, one that is actually scary. like most horror movies, which are R rated, i'd like to see a 17+ horror game where the dev doesn't have to hold back.
SpungoMcGee
07-25-2009, 03:59 AM
don't get me wrong i love my iphone games, they're great but why do so many of these games have to be directed towards kids? Peggle, rolando, castle of magic... All great games but where are the games directed to more of an adult audience or at least a teen audience?? I don't understand why so many games seem to be directed towards kids, i wouldn't think too many kids could afford an iphone... Sorry but i want to see more adult type games like gears of war or something of that nature...
Buy a PSP and stop trying to ruin it for everyone else you fricking tool.
How are you basing success? If you're basing it on sales figures, I suggest you go check out the sales figures for the Wii and it's "kiddish" games. I'm willing to be that the sales for some of those "kiddish" games (e.g., Mario Party, Super Mario Galaxy, Mario...anything) blows the doors off of any of those games listed above.
Regardless, who cares. I don't. And I don't see how Rolando and Peggle are "kiddish". I'm fairly certain that as many adults (if not more) enjoy those games as young kids do. I know I do.
How am I basing success? Halo 3 was the top selling video game of all time... and all the games I listed sell legions more then the one's you listed. The wii sells more systems, but the xbox sells an insane amount more of games. You obviously know nothing
gekkota
07-25-2009, 04:37 AM
well i would consider those people adults that need a life
Why would you think that? My 80-year-old aunt still plays 3-D Ultra Pinball and Hoyle Casino games on her Windows 95 PC! :eek:
Many of the "adults" on this forum have been playing video games since the atari days. Many of the threads about Doom, Wolf3D, etc. were started by people who have been playing games since before some of you were born!
We have families, careers, mortgages...and part of our "life" includes playing video games, as it always has. And most likely always will! :)
hmmm do you just make up your own specs? because from what i know it's *known* that the RAM in a 3g is 128MB whereas in the 3GS its 256, and the 3G runs ~412MHz and the 3GS ~600MHz(supposedly can perform around 800MHZ tho)
so plz dont give opinions that are completely wrong, the iphone is a ridiculously powerful gaming item
Those specs are a small part of the equation. The real difference is that 3GS has a GPU that uses OpenGL 2 compared to other devices using version 1. That means more powerful 3D graphics, using better effects, textures and more polygons.
How am I basing success? Halo 3 was the top selling video game of all time... and all the games I listed sell legions more then the one's you listed. The wii sells more systems, but the xbox sells an insane amount more of games. You obviously know nothing
NOT TRUE. Halo 3 sold about 8m copies. Wii Sports over 45m. Even Mario Kart Wii sold over 15m copies!
Next time, I suggest you actually look up the numbers before you go saying crap like that.
SpungoMcGee
07-25-2009, 06:16 AM
The wii sells more systems, but the xbox sells an insane amount more of games. You obviously know nothing
You need to do some reading. The Wii's software sales crush the 360's. Until the end of 2008 the Wii had sold 312m units of software, with the 360 sitting at around 230m units. And the 360 had a year's head start.
DaveMc99
07-25-2009, 06:59 AM
How am I basing success? Halo 3 was the top selling video game of all time
Where did you read that? Halo 3 is #32. http://vgchartz.com/worldtotals.php
Ravenblack
07-25-2009, 07:06 AM
Halo fans are the most annoying creatures in the world.
Gears of War and all those flashy nonsense of the like.
IMHO, these are the real kiddie games because they seem to attract all sort of children who think playing them makes them "grown-up" somehow. For the rest of us, we don't need an M rating on the box to validate our adulthood.
Where did you read that? Halo 3 is #32. http://vgchartz.com/worldtotals.php
Notice how the top 12 are Nintendo games, and all but 2 of the top 20 are too! I don't think any of those Ninty games would be considered "mature" or "adult" but obviously have a universal appeal. Its like a Pixar film being enjoyable to both kids and adults alike.
The Game Reaper
07-25-2009, 09:04 AM
Casual gaming is the future.
RealRacer
07-25-2009, 09:22 AM
Casual gaming is the future.
Said the fortune cookie :)
lacedolphin
07-25-2009, 10:58 AM
I'm 36 and I'm still a gamer! My hubby got me my Ipod touch to keep me occupied as I recover from cancer surgery. I never have liked shoot em games or guts splattering type ones, reguardless if they rate them adult or not. When you do "grow up" you don't care what people think, your happy to hide in the corner playing in your own little world, at least I am and I don't care who thinks what about it. I started getting back into games after my kids started turning into teens so we have something to do together as a family. It works for us and I have suggested it to many other parents.
I am a mom of 3 and an app store junkie! :p
florbastang
07-25-2009, 12:49 PM
How am I basing success? Halo 3 was the top selling video game of all time... and all the games I listed sell legions more then the one's you listed. The wii sells more systems, but the xbox sells an insane amount more of games. You obviously know nothing
You're obviously some nerd who spends way too much time with video games.
florbastang
07-25-2009, 12:51 PM
NOT TRUE. Halo 3 sold about 8m copies. Wii Sports over 45m. Even Mario Kart Wii sold over 15m copies!
Next time, I suggest you actually look up the numbers before you go saying crap like that.
You need to do some reading. The Wii's software sales crush the 360's. Until the end of 2008 the Wii had sold 312m units of software, with the 360 sitting at around 230m units. And the 360 had a year's head start.
Where did you read that? Halo 3 is #32. http://vgchartz.com/worldtotals.php
Notice how the top 12 are Nintendo games, and all but 2 of the top 20 are too! I don't think any of those Ninty games would be considered "mature" or "adult" but obviously have a universal appeal. Its like a Pixar film being enjoyable to both kids and adults alike.
PWNED to the 10th degree. LOL! He obviously "knows nothing."
Adams Immersive
07-25-2009, 02:45 PM
Um most successful video games are based for adults - halo, call of duty, prototype, gears of war.... And I live in the richest place in the U.S and yes there are a few kids who have them but the majority is teenagers and adults
I believe most of the money in the game industry is made with casual games, not those hardcore games. The gaming press loves them (and so do I!) but they are more if a niche that you might think. There's tons of money being made quietly outside of those hard-core game types. (Complicating the matter: those AAA titles don't always make big money. They may sell many copies, but they also cost a ton to make.)
Also, IIRC, Halo 3 was the best-selling game in that particular YEAR, and maybe only in the US. And I'd question what it's being compared to--ALL video games in all markets, or just its own peers? And in dollars sold or actual profits or in copies shipped? Different measures will get you a different answer. I highly suspect that WoW and some casual games (Bejeweled? Tetris? Freecell?) have had more total users than Halo 3.
But the main thing to remember is that a visual style doesn't mean a game is made for kids. It's just a visual style. Games truly made for kids would often be really boring for adults. Rolando, for instance, is not made for kids.
You're obviously some nerd who spends way too much time with video games.
Um no I think I might be the only person on this site that's not a nerd I just finished high school.. but was a football player all 4 years.. you prob don't even know what a feels like
Adams Immersive
07-25-2009, 02:51 PM
Um no I think I might be the only person on this site that's not a nerd I just finished high school.. but was a football player all 4 years.. you prob don't even know what a feels like
You can take the man out of high school, but...
Just kidding :) For the record, I'm a big fan of "adult" games like Halo, UT, and my all-time favorite game: Quake Wars.
haha sorry i didnt realize I wasnt allowed to say the v word lol
gekkota
07-25-2009, 03:03 PM
Um no I think I might be the only person on this site that's not a nerd
Well, Mr. Football Player, this isn't high school.
With an attitude like that you won't be winning any popularity contests here, newbie! :cool:
LOL
gekkota
07-25-2009, 03:05 PM
haha sorry i didnt realize I wasnt allowed to say the v word lol
You mean "videogames?"
Sure, we say it all the time!
:)
Kamazar
07-25-2009, 03:54 PM
Um no I think I might be the only person on this site that's not a nerd I just finished high school.. but was a football player all 4 years.. you prob don't even know what a feels like
If you're on TA
.....Then you're a nerd
.....Else... well, you're a nerd
Just be glad it's something mild like iPhone games instead of Star Trek or "Bioschthock" (awesome video game, ruined by pruane2forever :rolleyes:)
azule
07-25-2009, 03:56 PM
I don't think its fair to compare Halo 3 sales to wii sports sales, since wii sports comes with the wii system (except for in Japan according to Wikipedia). You don't rly have a choice in whether or not you want the game. Therefore if wii sports hadn't come with the wii it would of approximately sold about 3 mil units. Now I know that i can't rly say that the wii would of sold 3 mil units since we cant change the past. I got my information from http://www.vgchartz.com/ and Wikipedia. If I got anything wrong feel free to tell me. Im new to the boards but not the site.
Edit: forgot to include sales
wii sports 46.02 mil
wii's sold in America and other countries where it comes prepackaged: 43.05 mil
DaveMc99
07-25-2009, 04:15 PM
360 vs Wii http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_video_games
The top 10 selling 360 games
* Halo 3 (8.1 million)[24]
* Gears of War (5 million,[25] may include PC version)
* Gears of War 2 (5 million)[26]
* Grand Theft Auto IV (4.074 million approximately)
* Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare (3.772 million approximately)
* Call of Duty: World at War (3.35 million approximately)
* Forza Motorsport 2 (2.674 million approximately)
* Fable II (2.6 million)[36]
* Saints Row 2 (2.6 million)[37]
* Assassin's Creed (2.285 million approximately)
The top 10 selling Wii games.
* Wii Sports (45.71 million)[68]
* Wii Play (22.98 million)[68]
* Wii Fit (18.22 million)[68]
* Mario Kart Wii (15.4 million)[68]
* Super Smash Bros. Brawl (8.43 million)[68]
* Super Mario Galaxy (8.02 million)[69]
* Mario Party 8 (6.72 million)[69]
* The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess (4.52 million)[69]
* Link's Crossbow Training (3.76 million)[68]
* Mario & Sonic at the Olympic Games (3.4 million)[70]
CaseyLay
07-25-2009, 08:15 PM
hmmm do you just make up your own specs? because from what i know it's *known* that the RAM in a 3g is 128MB whereas in the 3GS its 256, and the 3G runs ~412MHz and the 3GS ~600MHz(supposedly can perform around 800MHZ tho)
so plz dont give opinions that are completely wrong, the iphone is a ridiculously powerful gaming item
Dude. Don't pay attention to him. It's pointless to argue with him.
Apple needs to get ERSB to rate games, but more and more adult games will eventually come to the iPhone. Dexter, Gang$tar, Payback still has blood. And there are also BIA and Assassin's Creed, are quite adult. Just give it some more time.
Kamazar
07-25-2009, 10:33 PM
I don't think its fair to compare Halo 3 sales to wii sports sales, since wii sports comes with the wii system (except for in Japan according to Wikipedia). You don't rly have a choice in whether or not you want the game. Therefore if wii sports hadn't come with the wii it would of approximately sold about 3 mil units. Now I know that i can't rly say that the wii would of sold 3 mil units since we cant change the past. I got my information from http://www.vgchartz.com/ and Wikipedia. If I got anything wrong feel free to tell me. Im new to the boards but not the site.
Edit: forgot to include sales
wii sports 46.02 mil
wii's sold in America and other countries where it comes prepackaged: 43.05 mil
3 million units? Really? Mario and Sonic at the Olympic games was a piece of c*** and it sold more units than that. Wii Play was also a horrendous piece of garbage and it sold 20 million units. Even I, who got sick of all the Wii titles that came out and eventually left the system in a dark closet, thought that playing Wii Tennis was the coolest thing since Halo. Wii Sports Resort is flying off the shelves even though that add-on of the controller costs $20. Shouldn't you, the expert, know the Wii market and it's outrageousness (I'm talking plastic golf clubs you stick on the the "Wiimote") by now?
Long story short, the reason Wii sales crush Xbox sales is because the target Nintendo's aiming at is much bigger. Pokemon has more universal appeal than Master Chief.
florbastang
07-25-2009, 10:55 PM
Where did you read that? Halo 3 is #32. http://vgchartz.com/worldtotals.php
3 million units? Really? Mario and Sonic at the Olympic games was a piece of c*** and it sold more units than that. Wii Play was also a horrendous piece of garbage and it sold 20 million units. Even I, who got sick of all the Wii titles that came out and eventually left the system in a dark closet, thought that playing Wii Tennis was the coolest thing since Halo. Wii Sports Resort is flying off the shelves even though that add-on of the controller costs $20. Shouldn't you, the expert, know the Wii market and it's outrageousness (I'm talking plastic golf clubs you stick on the the "Wiimote") by now?
Long story short, the reason Wii sales crush Xbox sales is because the target Nintendo's aiming at is much bigger. Pokemon has more universal appeal than Master Chief.
Exactly, which is why there are so many "kiddish" games on the iPhone, particularly since most users play games casually.
squarezero
07-25-2009, 11:52 PM
I'm 36 and I'm still a gamer! My hubby got me my Ipod touch to keep me occupied as I recover from cancer surgery. I never have liked shoot em games or guts splattering type ones, reguardless if they rate them adult or not. When you do "grow up" you don't care what people think, your happy to hide in the corner playing in your own little world, at least I am and I don't care who thinks what about it. I started getting back into games after my kids started turning into teens so we have something to do together as a family. It works for us and I have suggested it to many other parents.
I am a mom of 3 and an app store junkie! :p
Sadly, there's a whole segment of the gaming community that doesn't consider someone like you a "real" gamer -- in fact, they're probably pretty offended that you're stepping into their turf. As someone who enjoys playing both "adult" and "kiddie" games, I find it greatly encouraging to see devices like the Wii and the iPhone/iPod Touch open up the market and bring in a much more diverse audience.
I'm sorry to hear about your cancer surgery; I hope that you are well in your way to recovery.
pacman77
07-26-2009, 12:45 AM
I agree the games do not float my boat but I can see the marketing benefits of games for kids they are the ones spending so much time on the phones.
azule
07-26-2009, 02:22 AM
3 million units? Really? Mario and Sonic at the Olympic games was a piece of c*** and it sold more units than that. Wii Play was also a horrendous piece of garbage and it sold 20 million units. Even I, who got sick of all the Wii titles that came out and eventually left the system in a dark closet, thought that playing Wii Tennis was the coolest thing since Halo. Wii Sports Resort is flying off the shelves even though that add-on of the controller costs $20. Shouldn't you, the expert, know the Wii market and it's outrageousness (I'm talking plastic golf clubs you stick on the the "Wiimote") by now?
Long story short, the reason Wii sales crush Xbox sales is because the target Nintendo's aiming at is much bigger. Pokemon has more universal appeal than Master Chief.
3 mil units is what was sold separate from the wii, I never said I believed that the game would only sell exactly that many units. I just did the math 46mil - 43 mil. And how am I an expert in any way? I just used Google.
The reason (I think) that all those crappy games sold so many units is because when people bought their wii's and played wii sports, they liked it but realized that they wanted more variety in the sports and activities the game comes with. Therefore when wii play came out people might have wanted to get it because they enjoyed wii sports and wanted new activities to play.
Lets say wii sports wasn't packaged in the wii, can you honestly say that the game looked good enough for you to buy it? I wouldn't, it looked like a cheep way to make the wii the must have system. I can honestly say that with out the brilliant marketing of Nintendo, wii sports would of sold over 10 mil copes.
Basically: If a game ships 46mil units, chances are that a lot of people are going to buy the squeal based on the fact that they thought the original was good. (And the main reason they found out it was so good was because it was pre-packaged with the wii)
I never thought Rolando was particularly kiddish.
Peggle is aimed at kids though, right off the bat it seems.
I guess its just they think that adults will play kid's games but kids won't play adult's games!
Adams Immersive
07-26-2009, 04:37 AM
Also, sometimes what people mean by "games for adults" is really, "games for males"--and stereotypical males at that. Granted, those are certainly an important chunk of the market, but by no means the only one.
Some of the games people think are "kid-like" may really be aimed more at females. (Whether that's misguided marketing or good business, I cannot say. I CAN say for certain that women do play the violent FPS/other games I enjoy. Any kind of game might sell to any kind of person.)
gekkota
07-26-2009, 04:51 AM
I'm 36 and I'm still a gamer! My hubby got me my Ipod touch to keep me occupied as I recover from cancer surgery. I never have liked shoot em games or guts splattering type ones, reguardless if they rate them adult or not. When you do "grow up" you don't care what people think, your happy to hide in the corner playing in your own little world, at least I am and I don't care who thinks what about it. I started getting back into games after my kids started turning into teens so we have something to do together as a family. It works for us and I have suggested it to many other parents.
I am a mom of 3 and an app store junkie! :p
Welcome to Touch Arcade...it's always nice to have another "adult" member. I agree that when you "grow up" you care less what people think. It helps having a thick skin when you post in forums! :rolleyes:
The other great thing about being an adult gamer: it's not a big deal to spend $5, $10--or even more-- on a game. My main challenge is not buying too many games, since they are all so cheap! :) I enjoy many different genres-- everything from pinball to Silent Hill.
My sister plays video games with her son, and I agree that it brings families closer.
Hope your recovery is going well.
qasim
07-26-2009, 11:14 AM
Brothers in Arms, AC, HoS, FPS games, etc... I think you are wrong
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