Ravensword: The Fallen King - Video. (Submitted, again)

[JoshCM]

there will be new game play footage shortly. a lot has changed so its time for an update...

[NothingLikeSleep]

is it up yet

[Alienmario]

there will be new game play footage shortly. a lot has changed so its time for an update...

hope you show us the controls

[NothingLikeSleep]

i just wnat to ride horses and shoot the bows and arrows and mingle with the locals and shoot some gobliiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiins

and steal a horse

[fenrir911]

next game they should work on... dota for iphone... using ravensword characters... and with the help of the itouch community im pretty sure many chars will be created. xD my dream..

[JoshCM]

you can steal a horse! lol

[fenrir911]

you can steal a horse! lol

can you create a chick?? xD jk I want the expansion ten seconds after initial release....

[JoshCM]

not in this one but in the expansion pack we'll have other characters.

[Sukal]

any estimation of the release of the expansion pack? Will it be available right after release? Or will we wait several month, in which case how many month? Kinda want to buy the expansion and full game at the same time.

[squarezero]

any estimation of the release of the expansion pack? Will it be available right after release? Or will we wait several month, in which case how many month? Kinda want to buy the expansion and full game at the same time.
The best way to speed up the development of the expansion pack is to buy the main game on release. Keep in mind that Crescent Moon is a small independent studio and that they've already invested (I assume) and huge amount of staff-hours to produce a game of this magnitude. Buying the game as soon as it's available will help to get it up on the charts and make it visible in a crowded marketplace.

[macatron]

The best way to speed up the development of the expansion pack is to buy the main game on release. Keep in mind that Crescent Moon is a small independent studio and that they've already invested (I assume) and huge amount of staff-hours to produce a game of this magnitude. Buying the game as soon as it's available will help to get it up on the charts and make it visible in a crowded marketplace.
Yes! I couldn't agree with you more!  The more copies that sell, the better experience we (as gamers) will have in the end becuase the game developers will have the necessary income to keep the ball rolling with future expansions.

And yes, I know that this is my first post, but I've been following this game since it was first mentioned on Touch Arcade! I just figured that I'd finally take the time to chime in. 

[ShadowsFall]

you can steal a horse! lol

WOOO!!! GTA (Grand Theft Animal)!!!

[yourofl10]

you can steal a horse! lol

Sweet!

[araczynski]

i just watched the trailer on youtube, and noticed the comment about it being about 7-8 hours long, and then the trailer just happened to mention the game being 'epic'.

nothing against the quality of the game, but i would hardly call that epic. might be large in scope/size, but that doesn't make it epic.

most of the elder scroll games were epic, as were the nwn series probably, hopefully dragonage will be as well.

maybe its just me, but if you can sit down and finish a game during the normal course of a business day, its not epic.

:)

[NothingLikeSleep]

Hell yeah Stealin horses


And I want a forest, with scary curling trees maybe a wizard will live there and his powers of evil are rotting away the forest. And then when you slay him it becomes a peaceful and nice forest (the trees should talk or send messages through birds, the birds are thier voices and the owls will act as thier eyes)

I have more ideas but now my mind is exhausted beyond all human endurance.

[Aegis]

i just watched the trailer on youtube, and noticed the comment about it being about 7-8 hours long, and then the trailer just happened to mention the game being 'epic'.

nothing against the quality of the game, but i would hardly call that epic. might be large in scope/size, but that doesn't make it epic.

most of the elder scroll games were epic, as were the nwn series probably, hopefully dragonage will be as well.

maybe its just me, but if you can sit down and finish a game during the normal course of a business day, its not epic.

:)

On a Mobile Phone with these graphics, thats Epic.

[NothingLikeSleep]

Yeah you can't judge a game, let alone many things based on it's length (unless you are a girl). I beat Braid in one normal day and that was epic. The song "Im on a boat" is barely 3 minutes long and it's epic. I read "a day in the life of ivan denisovich" in a day and that was epic. The world's longest breath hold is only 16 minutes 32 seconds set by Peter Colat and that was epic.

[LBG]

WOOO!!! GTA (Grand Theft Animal)!!!

Yeah, stealing horses is good.

But I'm guessing that there will be no beastiality :(

[NothingLikeSleep]

i have a feeling its not going to come out until the end of the month, hopefully im off the rag

[AmazingRuss]

The best way to speed up the development of the expansion pack is to buy the main game on release. Keep in mind that Crescent Moon is a small independent studio and that they've already invested (I assume) and huge amount of staff-hours to produce a game of this magnitude. Buying the game as soon as it's available will help to get it up on the charts and make it visible in a crowded marketplace.

This is true. We need cash quickly, or we're going down in flames. We've risked everything for this... didn't start out that way, but a little at a time we got drawn further in. If there's money coming in, we'll be all over the expansion pack, and we're going to be coming here to ask you all what should be in it. The sooner we have the cash to pay people, the sooner we'll get started.

If not, we'll be moving into a 1979 Econonline van down by the river, living on berries and catfish and learning the banjo, and you, gentle gamers, will be left to the tender mercies of megacorps, who will TELL YOU what you want, and have their army of thralls crank it out, whips cracking over their shoulders as they weep into their keyboards at their sorry fate.

Buy it! Buy two! Get your gramma to buy it! Get your aunts and uncles and cousins to buy it! Shame jailbreakers into buying it! Strike a blow for freedom from the corporate behemoths!

[kingkong120]

This is true. We need cash quickly, or we're going down in flames. We've risked everything for this... didn't start out that way, but a little at a time we got drawn further in. If there's money coming in, we'll be all over the expansion pack, and we're going to be coming here to ask you all what should be in it. The sooner we have the cash to pay people, the sooner we'll get started.

If not, we'll be moving into a 1979 Econonline van down by the river, living on berries and catfish and learning the banjo, and you, gentle gamers, will be left to the tender mercies of megacorps, who will TELL YOU what you want, and have their army of thralls crank it out, whips cracking over their shoulders as they weep into their keyboards at their sorry fate.

Buy it! Buy two! Get your gramma to buy it! Get your aunts and uncles and cousins to buy it! Shame jailbreakers into buying it! Strike a blow for freedom from the corporate behemoths!

Sir yes sir.

[JoshCM]

Russ's humor is what keeps me going on a daily basis.
Even though he hates getting 15 emails from me in the morning by the time he wakes up.

[NothingLikeSleep]

Won't chillingos help with the cost for a profit share? You should create a donation link through paypal, I would definetly donate to crescent moon gaming

[MrDark]

...Buy it! Buy two!...

iTune doesn't allow me to pay twice for a same produce :D good try tho.

[JoshCM]

I have to give Russ ALOT of credit - where credit is deserved. How one can single handedly program a 3d action rpg of this level is in my opinion unprecedented, so I bow before him. He can say whatever he wants.

[Sukal]

This is true. We need cash quickly, or we're going down in flames. We've risked everything for this... didn't start out that way, but a little at a time we got drawn further in. If there's money coming in, we'll be all over the expansion pack, and we're going to be coming here to ask you all what should be in it. The sooner we have the cash to pay people, the sooner we'll get started.

If not, we'll be moving into a 1979 Econonline van down by the river, living on berries and catfish and learning the banjo, and you, gentle gamers, will be left to the tender mercies of megacorps, who will TELL YOU what you want, and have their army of thralls crank it out, whips cracking over their shoulders as they weep into their keyboards at their sorry fate.

Buy it! Buy two! Get your gramma to buy it! Get your aunts and uncles and cousins to buy it! Shame jailbreakers into buying it! Strike a blow for freedom from the corporate behemoths!
but when do you think the expansion will be out, I'll probably buy it as it is released but not play it until expansion is released. (I like a full game, not a partial one, character customization pretty crucial to me)

[Ryan el champ]

i just watched the trailer on youtube, and noticed the comment about it being about 7-8 hours long, and then the trailer just happened to mention the game being 'epic'.

nothing against the quality of the game, but i would hardly call that epic. might be large in scope/size, but that doesn't make it epic.

most of the elder scroll games were epic, as were the nwn series probably, hopefully dragonage will be as well.

maybe its just me, but if you can sit down and finish a game during the normal course of a business day, its not epic.

:)

i can finish elder scrolls main quest in 4 hours, thats not epic... 7-8 hours on an IPHONE by a small company IS EPIC, plus thats not including the expansion pack, who knows how many side missions will be available... I cant wait haha :D

[OC Noob]

i can finish elder scrolls main quest in 4 hours, thats not epic... 7-8 hours on an IPHONE by a small company IS EPIC, plus thats not including the expansion pack, who knows how many side missions will be available... I cant wait haha :D

Yeah, but you miss 95% of the game doing just the main quest.

And I agree 7-8 hours for an iPhone game is pretty sweet, especially considering the price tag on apps.

[JoshCM]

big preview on IGN
http://wireless.ign.com/articles/103/1032696p1.html

they haven't played it yet though.
and I totally disagree with "100's of monsters"
My latest count was almost 50 different characters in total, but I suppose throughout the game you will kill 100's of monsters (not all different of course)

should be getting a new game play vid up soon, I'll get some more today.

[eXistenT]

omg you crazy me ...you scared me
"revious generations of the iPhone will still play the game, but Ravensword will shed both framerate and some graphic effects as it downshifts."


something like will crush every 2 minutes on ipod touch :eek:

[teagan1000000]

Can't wait till this game comes out, any word on release date?

[NothingLikeSleep]

Can't wait till this game comes out, any word on release date?

Hey maybe oct 20th if were lucky, can we talk somewhere alone?

[Der-Kleine]

omg you crazy me ...you scared me
"revious generations of the iPhone will still play the game, but Ravensword will shed both framerate and some graphic effects as it downshifts."


something like will crush every 2 minutes on ipod touch :eek:

Don't worry! The Beta ran fine on my iPod Touch 2G - and that on highest quality! ;) (shaddows on and framerate target set low (less fps))

[enkein]

i hope that there will be a mage ? :rolleyes:

[beachmusic]

big preview on IGN
http://wireless.ign.com/articles/103/1032696p1.html

they haven't played it yet though.
and I totally disagree with "100's of monsters"
My latest count was almost 50 different characters in total, but I suppose throughout the game you will kill 100's of monsters (not all different of course)

should be getting a new game play vid up soon, I'll get some more today.

Good luck on your game! Your game is looks awesome, this is a testament that indie devs can still take on the big guns!

[NothingLikeSleep]

Don't worry! The Beta ran fine on my iPod Touch 2G - and that on highest quality! ;) (shaddows on and framerate target set low (less fps))

Tell us more, no wait just answer one question. Does this game, thusfar, touch you like your father does?

[Der-Kleine]

Tell us more, no wait just answer one question. Does this game, thusfar, touch you like your father does?

Uhm I don't quite get that question. :confused:

If you want to ask me if I like the game, all I can say is that there's alot of good stuff and maybe abit of bad stuff (well, of course every game is like that! It isn't anything really big that I don't like, so don't worry! ;) ), but the blast arrows are really cool!! :D

[NothingLikeSleep]

Uhm I don't quite get that question. :confused:

If you want to ask me if I like the game, all I can say is that there are good things and bad things, but the blast arrows are really cool!! :D

Any resemblance to oblivion on a smaller scale? Does the player feel free when in control of the hero?

[Der-Kleine]

Any resemblance to oblivion on a smaller scale? Does the player feel free when in control of the hero?

well it's not quite oblivion, but it's definetly more free than Dungeon Hunter! ;)

[NothingLikeSleep]

well it's not quite oblivion, but it's definetly more free than Dungeon Hunter! ;)

okay sounds good. I have to go clean out the kitty litter and shit bbl

[AmazingRuss]

Good luck on your game! Your game is looks awesome, this is a testament that indie devs can still take on the big guns!

It's because we don't have an army of non-gamer suits taking the profits and crushing the life out of us. Creativity can't survive in a sweatshop.

As for the stability of older iPods, my wife played through on my first gen with no crashes, and I think she spent about 12 hours on it, as she likes to wander about and look at things.

My 3rd gen touch comes today, so I finally get to see the game in it's full glory.

[Der-Kleine]

It's because we don't have an army of non-gamer suits taking the profits and crushing the life out of us. Creativity can't survive in a sweatshop.

As for the stability of older iPods, my wife played through on my first gen with no crashes, and I think she spent about 12 hours on it, as she likes to wander about and look at things.

My 3rd gen touch comes today, so I finally get to see the game in it's full glory.

lol, well you don't even need a 3G touch / 3GS to enjoy the game in full glory! ;) :D

[JoshCM]

It's because we don't have an army of non-gamer suits taking the profits and crushing the life out of us. Creativity can't survive in a sweatshop.

As for the stability of older iPods, my wife played through on my first gen with no crashes, and I think she spent about 12 hours on it, as she likes to wander about and look at things.

My 3rd gen touch comes today, so I finally get to see the game in it's full glory.

HAh!!! You've been wanting that for so long, you finally get to see it shine! Your baby! I don't think you'll be disappointed. After playing it on the oldest (well 2nd to oldest) device for so long... You deserve it!

[Der-Kleine]

HAh!!! You've been wanting that for so long, you finally get to see it shine! Your baby! I don't think you'll be disappointed. After playing it on the oldest (well 2nd to oldest) device for so long... You deserve it!

Yes! Now he can see how cool lights are! :D

[NothingLikeSleep]

wheres the new gameplay footage

[JoshCM]

in the next day or two. :)

[squarezero]

HAh!!! You've been wanting that for so long, you finally get to see it shine! Your baby! I don't think you'll be disappointed. After playing it on the oldest (well 2nd to oldest) device for so long... You deserve it!
Obviously, it's a smart move to have the developer working on the slowest platform -- great incentive to get optimizing!

But yeah, it does look good on a 3Gs ;).

[ShadowsFall]

in the next day or two. :)

Almost time for you to submit it yet ;)? The process takes 7-10 days D:

[squarezero]

Almost time for you to submit it yet ;)? The process takes 7-10 days D:
Beta testers have been keeping Josh and Russ busy... sorry!

[Chronical]

Almost time for you to submit it yet ;)? The process takes 7-10 days D:
for such a big game it maybe takes 8 weeks..

[onewithchaos]

wow just went through 50 or so pages of this thread. Mostly skipping everyone but Josh. Amazing game, I hope it gets approved fast and that you do well. For me personally I dont like the green menu's but it does go well with the overall theme. You did say you were changing button layout back in a post somewhere...any new screenshots on that?

[JoshCM]

Here's the new one. I spent some time polishing the buttons some more.

[onewithchaos]

Here's the new one. I spent some time polishing the buttons some more.

You know what, your instant reply along with what I asked for just got you an immediate buyer!!!

[arta]

Are the menus tap/ swipe optimized?

[JoshCM]

if you mean swipe to drag, then yes.

[Sfv818]

Any idea when this will be submitted?

[Zombie_dance]

Any idea when this will be submitted?

In 9 months......................... Im so nice but i cant wait for this coming from a giant oblivion fan :D

[Blak rhino]

Any idea when this will be submitted?

October 15

[NothingLikeSleep]

this game will be the epitome of my existence

[JoshCM]

Ok guys I hate to say this but I have to now. The game is getting a big controls overhaul. The publisher and some other very important people (VIPs)
have brought this up. We were so used to the controls and satisfied with them (and even the beta testers didn't seem to mind them) but when we put it in front of the big wigs, they seemed to think that it needed change, and should be consistent with the other top games out there. It will be getting auto-targeting as well.
This may set the submission back a week.
Its lucky on the website it says "Coming this Fall" If we are lucky - Apple's approval times have been faster lately so it may still actually come out at the same time.

On a happy note - I don't think it will delay it too much, because Russ is the KING of programming (IMHO)
there are other optimizations that are being done as well.
So sit tight, and there will be some vids to watch to make you drool some more.

[arta]

What were the controls before and after, hopefully neither scheme involved tilting to move and shaking to swing your sword... ;)

[NothingLikeSleep]

Ew auto aim, make it an option. Big wigs are always gays.
Oh, and this game better be out by the end of the month. You should not change the game if you think it's great already, the pubs just want to say they had a hand in creating the game because they are opportunistic bastards.

[enkein]

footage, footage :D

[Der-Kleine]

Ew auto aim, make it an option. Big wigs are always gays.
Oh, and this game better be out by the end of the month. You should not change the game if you think it's great already, the pubs just want to say they had a hand in creating the game because they are opportunistic bastards.

When the game is out I'm pretty sure you'll have autotargeting on. You'll know why... (It's not a problem with the controlls!! :p )

[Der-Kleine]

What were the controls before and after, hopefully neither scheme involved tilting to move and shaking to swing your sword... ;)

It's none of those at the moment! ;)
And I'm sure it never will be! :D

[eXistenT]

i dont want auto aim :mad:
and what you said joshcm the game will be delayed few days ?? not 15-18 octomber...:mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:

[Goose]

i think we'll be happy with control changes, if the bigwigs are forcing a change, then they must feel it's necessary, or they wouldn't affect a deadline which prevents them getting revenue. i'm happy to wait an extra week or so to have things expertly polished.

[JoshCM]

i dont want auto aim :mad:
and what you said joshcm the game will be delayed few days ?? not 15-18 octomber...:mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:

the 15th is Thursday - theres a possibility we could still make it, but just to be safe I'm telling you guys now so you don't get more mad at us later!

Auto Target will probably be an option - but it will be set default on.
Alot of sneaky Goblins and Imps like to sneak up behind you and stab you without giving you a chance to see them first.

[squarezero]

i think we'll be happy with control changes, if the bigwigs are forcing a change, then they must feel it's necessary, or they wouldn't affect a deadline which prevents them getting revenue. i'm happy to wait an extra week or so to have things expertly polished.
Josh asked us beta testers to stay mum about the game, so I won't give away anything specific. But I'm sure he won't mind if I say this:
1) the game is finished (meaning that we were able to play it from beginning to end); what Josh is talking about here are tweaks.
2) Josh is not kidding when he says that Russ is the king of programming. When you finally get to see Ravensword, you won't believe that it was coded by one person (and developed by a two-man team). If the changes can humanly be made before their self-imposed deadline, they will be.
3) Those Imps and Goblins are indeed very sneaky.

[Der-Kleine]

Josh asked us beta testers to stay mum about the game, so I won't give away anything specific. But I'm sure he won't mind if I say this:
1) the game is finished (meaning that we were able to play it from beginning to end); what Josh is talking about here are tweaks.
2) Josh is not kidding when he says that Russ is the king of programming. When you finally get to see Ravensword, you won't believe that it was coded by one person (and developed by a two-man team). If the changes can humanly be made before their self-imposed deadline, they will be.
3) Those Imps and Goblins are indeed very sneaky.

agreed.

You'll be happy they did add auto target!

[yourofl10]

Just out of curiosity how big will the game file size be?

[Der-Kleine]

Just out of curiosity how big will the game file size be?

abit more than 100 mb, probably!

[yourofl10]

abit more than 100 mb, probably!

Ok thanks, can't wait for this game!

[Der-Kleine]

http://toucharcade.com/2009/10/09/hands-on-gameplay-video-of-ravensword/

[Nausicaa]

New video looks outstanding! I don't remember the animations from the last video very well, but at face value these do look much more natural. The lighting is the other thing that really impresses me - especially at those frame rates!

While I'm sad the game might be delayed a bit, I'm glad to hear that you guys are taking the time to make the game as good as possible. Really amazing that only two people have worked on this.

I'm also wondering - and you may not be able to answer - if you guys got a signing bonus for publishing with Chillingo?

[Pitta]

WOW at the video!
I can't speak for the game till I play it, but technically is REALLY REALLY IMPRESSIVE.
And I'm not even an action or combat fan.

But the video shows some really impressive graphics, no nasty pop up, good L.O.S.

I can't belive it's made by a two-person team.

You've got some really impressive achivement here!

[enkein]

impressive ? :confused:
emm, iam only one who thinks that movement is strange? :confused:
but, yeah, graphics and another things are good :)

[Alienmario]

http://toucharcade.com/2009/10/09/hands-on-gameplay-video-of-ravensword/

iPod touch 3g right?

[JoshCM]

WOW at the video!
I can't speak for the game till I play it, but technically is REALLY REALLY IMPRESSIVE.
And I'm not even an action or combat fan.

But the video shows some really impressive graphics, no nasty pop up, good L.O.S.

I can't belive it's made by a two-person team.

You've got some really impressive achivement here!

Thanks!
I had helpers along the way with the characters and animations, so while the core team is 2 people there are others that helped us out on that front.
The programming I think is the most impressive thing - it truly is programmed by one person!!

[eXistenT]

why skeletons warrios have blood ......and what you can do whit items ??

[Der-Kleine]

why skeletons warrios have blood ......and what you can do whit items ??

I think the skeletons are being fixed.

[Der-Kleine]

iPod touch 3g right?

If it was JoshCM who made the video, I think it's an iPhone 3GS. But the game runs fine on an iPod touch 2G, too! ;)

[Pitta]

Thanks!
I had helpers along the way with the characters and animations, so while the core team is 2 people there are others that helped us out on that front.
The programming I think is the most impressive thing - it truly is programmed by one person!!

Well, you all (team) should be proud (I'm sure you are :) )

I do not recall any other team (with big publishers behind or indie) making something like this on the iPhone (I mean...not only graphically, but the scope and all the rest)...
I really hope the game is great like it seems to be and you gather the success you deserve.

I applaude at the (probably really hard) decision to eventually delay the game to have the control perfect on this one.

So and so control could potentially kill what seems a great effort, even bigger considering you're only 2.
The (only one) coder is really the king of coders tough.

IT'S A FREAKING PHONE!!!!!!

[squarezero]

why skeletons warrios have blood ......and what you can do whit items ??
Err...It's actually bone marrow...?

It didn't bother me, but I think other beta testers noted it, so I believe Der Kline is right.

[squarezero]

impressive ? :confused:
emm, iam only one who thinks that movement is strange? :confused:
but, yeah, graphics and another things are good :)
You don't have to like everything about something to be impressed by it. I would say that the movements are no stranger than what you would find in a game like Morrowind (or even the far more recent Oblivion).

[Pitta]

I would like to add something after watching the video again (and again) now that I can crank up volume at work.

The sounds are even more impressive.
Good ambience combat music, nice bird chirps in the forest, wind....

I hope it's not TOO combat heavy (and 'jumpy'), I would love to get 'lost' in the game visually and aurally, discovering the world and 'living' a good story.

[Der-Kleine]

to all who think the player jumps look strange: Play Gothic 3: They look the same there! ;)

[squarezero]

I would like to add something after watching the video again (and again) now that I can crank up volume at work.

The sounds are even more impressive.
Good ambience combat music, nice bird chirps in the forest, wind....

I hope it's not TOO combat heavy (and 'jumpy'), I would love to get 'lost' in the game visually and aurally, discovering the world and 'living' a good story.
I think you will.

[Gamingfun]

That vid was very nice. Elemental attacks with weapons large enemies and large areas. Though the write up said a lot of the control was changing? Would that be as in adding a magic button or something :cool: I know you said magic has been redone for the game as it was just runes before.

[MrDark]

OMG, wow~
honestly, the trailer vid turn my hyper down completely... and this gameplay vid just prove it I'm completely wrong... I need to be super hyper for this game coming:eek: can't believe it will be played on my iPhone.
Great Job! especially for a small team.

[AmazingRuss]

Err...It's actually bone marrow...?


Ding ding ding! That's it!

I'm afraid we're in the minority here though, so it will get turned into bone dust or something more skeletony.

Thanks for the all the feedback, guys. It's very helpful. I've been on this so long that my sense of objectivity is gone.

[theblackw0lf]

I'm sure this has been mentioned before, but you should look into Sandstorm's control scheme whereby moving your finger along the screen it causes your view to pan around. That way when fighting you can target monsters much easier.

Although auto-target that causes the monster you're fighting to always be in view would also definitely help

[squarezero]

I'm sure this has been mentioned before, but you should look into Sandstorm's control scheme whereby moving your finger along the screen it causes your view to pan around. That way when fighting you can target monsters much easier.

Although auto-target that causes the monster you're fighting to always be in view would also definitely help
I think the MC:S control scheme is great for an FPS, but I'm not sure it it's the best way to approach an RPG -- even an action one. We'll see what these guys come up with.

[theblackw0lf]

I think the MC:S control scheme is great for an FPS, but I'm not sure it it's the best way to approach an RPG -- even an action one. We'll see what these guys come up with.

Well I'm not talking about the entire control scheme, just the using your finger to look around part.

Actually Seven Swords uses a similar scheme, and it works extremely effectively.

So yea they should look at how Sevenswords did it.

[JoshCM]

Seven swords always crashed on me, I only got it working one time, and as far as I remember (its been awhile) it wasn't an FPS/3rd person game, wasn't it more like Dungeon Hunter view?
I think we're looking at the MC:S, Dexter, Eliminate style controls.

[squarezero]

Well I'm not talking about the entire control scheme, just the using your finger to look around part.

Actually Seven Swords uses a similar scheme, and it works extremely effectively.

So yea they should look at how Sevenswords did it.
I was referring to the same thing -- but I'd forgotten about Seven Swords. My main concern is having my finger get in your way of the often-gorgeous environments. But perhaps it could work (though, at this point, I would expect such a change/option on a later update).

[squarezero]

Seven swords always crashed on me, I only got it working one time, and as far as I remember (its been awhile) it wasn't an FPS/3rd person game, wasn't it more like Dungeon Hunter view?
I think we're looking at the MC:S, Dexter, Eliminate style controls.
Actually, it's similar to Ravensword. But you are right about the crashing...

[Edit] I just reread what you wrote. Whoa! No wonder you're giving yourself more time. You will likely make a lot of people happy, though.

[theblackw0lf]

Seven swords always crashed on me, I only got it working one time, and as far as I remember (its been awhile) it wasn't an FPS/3rd person game, wasn't it more like Dungeon Hunter view?
I think we're looking at the MC:S, Dexter, Eliminate style controls.

Awesome. Glad to hear :)

Just want to make sure your first launch is successful. A frustrating control scheme can kill sales, even if you try to fix it later.

You don't want to give people any reason to give your game one star ;)

[arta]

L0_hFHyXE7k

Well as the first to bring on the old Lego with uncomfortable diapers man animation, this is much improved and actually looks good now. Obviously it isn't Backbreaker quality but it doesn't look horridly awkward, and actually looks representative of animation in similar games like Oblivion. I trust this has been applied to all creatures including that polar bear.

The jump arc looks fine when fighting the monster, but REALLY ODD when leaping over the rocks in the lava. The 1st jump looks like a really short hop and suddenly he's across.

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One thing I see that might need work, the controls. I understand that you and your beta crew have no problem running up and attacking the enemy without getting disoriented or missing, but that's because you guys after a while have learn to watch the position of the enemy from afar a start lining up when you are running up to him so when you catch up you're never off kilter. It's like the one analog stick back in the PS1 days.

However casuals who are going to play this now and again for 10 mins, quit, forget and play again need, as well as impatient RPG folk like me, are going to want quick targeting from jump. It also helps in those odd moments when we didn't line up right: we want to simply turn to our oppoent and keep hacking away instead of backing up, lining up again drama.

Two things then:

One, take Gameloft's "swipe screen to look around camera". It is by far the most effecting way to controling character movement that isn't in a top down game. This isn't a RPG vs FPS vs action game thing, or a "battle of developer philosophies". It's using common sense to incorporate a control scheme that's PROVEN to sucessfully give iPhone game the feeling of control that dual sticks gives regular consoles. I'm a big proponent with this.

2nd of course would be the auto-aim. Keeps you locked on to the character . Trickier than the first method if two enemies are attacking at the same time, but can be done.

So yeah, do both.

[JoshCM]

Well as the first to bring on the old Lego with uncomfortable diapers man animation, this is much improved and actually looks good now. Obviously it isn't Backbreaker quality but it doesn't look horridly awkward, and actually looks representative of animation in similar games like Oblivion. I trust this has been applied to all creatures including that polar bear.

Wow - Arta - coming from you thats a very nice compliment.
We've definitely done a lot more work on the animations. The jump is actually a factor of the blending between segments of animations, not the actual jump animation itself. We've had a tricky time with the motion blending - that in itself would have warranted another programmer just to handle the character's movements in the game. If we make some money on this first release, we'd probably be able to pay people to specialize in certain areas, rather than doing everything by ourselves.

[AmazingRuss]

OMG, wow~
honestly, the trailer vid turn my hyper down completely... and this gameplay vid just prove it I'm completely wrong... I need to be super hyper for this game coming:eek:

Easy there fella! If you get too wound up you could spontaneously explode, and we don't have insurance coverage for that :eek:

I like the newer vid a lot more too. Shows more of the game.

[squarezero]

Actually, arta, now that I think about it, you are probably right -- the MC:S control scheme is likely a best-practice now for 3d character control. There were some advantages to what Josh and Russ came up with, but it certainly was not as natural as swiping the screen.

The auto-aim was something that came up pretty quickly from the beta-testers (well, at least from me) and I think that they intended to add that even before they started revising the overall control system.

[reinhart_menken]

I don't know...from the trailer on the front page, the actions of the character seems a bit off. His attacks are too short (always being a quick jab or a quick side swipe), and he jumps too high. That's all I was able to gleam from the trailer alone.

[JoshCM]

I probably should have mentioned - this video shows the character at a very high level, with the most powerful sword and agility which makes him able to jump higher than normal (useful for some areas that require very long jumps to stay out of Lava and other obstacles)

[squarezero]

I don't know...from the trailer on the front page, the actions of the character seems a bit off. His attacks are too short (always being a quick jab or a quick side swipe), and he jumps too high. That's all I was able to gleam from the trailer alone.
reinhart, please do me a favor. Find a console game that you think has great character animation. Now go check out the credits: tell me how many people were involved in doing said character's animation. Now think about the number of programmers involved in the entire Ravensword project (one). Hopefully that will clear things up for you. :)

[arta]

Actually, arta, now that I think about it, you are probably right -- the MC:S control scheme is likely a best-practice now for 3d character control. There were some advantages to what Josh and Russ came up with, but it certainly was not as natural as swiping the screen.
Indeed. It's the control of dual sticks without having a second analog display taking up space on the screen, and it's proven in several genres. You guys really need to use that method, in addition to your own.

[AmazingRuss]

reinhart, please do me a favor. Find a console game that you think has great character animation. Now go check out the credits: tell me how many people were involved in doing said character's animation. Now think about the number of programmers involved in the entire Ravensword project (one). Hopefully that will clear things up for you. :)

Someday soon I shall have minions to do my bidding...

[fenrir911]

No strafing and no character customization... This is shapijg up bad, without the ability to walk sideways and aim at the enemy that means we will have to back up and readjust aim everytime we are in a fight. That annoys me, especially on a game like this, where your main thing is exploration and fighting, i wanna be able to see the forest on the right not turn to it, and then turn back just to walk on the path. That was one of the things i liked about elder scrolls two and up, the ability to strafe. Made it so much easier to explore, see, lets say theres a huge open area, i wanted to look to my left and right to make sure there wasnt any enemies, but i also want to keep walking on my path as there is a dungeon ahead of me, with this games control scheme i woukd have to stop, turn left, then right, then go on my path again. To me, thats annoying.

[JoshCM]

this is my last post for awhile - but yes there will be strafing in the new control scheme. character customization won't come till the expansion pack.
bye now.

[Trotgar]

But remember guys, even though it looks cool, don't have too high expectations, because otherwise if it has flaws, some will be disappointed (and I use quite a lot of ,'s there).

Besides, if it's good everyone's going to be pleasantly surprised. So, don't hype it too much.

[ShadowsFall]

this is my last post for awhile - but yes there will be strafing in the new control scheme. character customization won't come till the expansion pack.
bye now.

Lol, sweet and short. I guess you've been really busy these past few days fixing the bugs and things like that...

Anyways, i made it to 600 posts :D

[Kartel]

No strafing and no character customization... This is shapijg up bad, without the ability to walk sideways and aim at the enemy that means we will have to back up and readjust aim everytime we are in a fight. That annoys me, especially on a game like this, where your main thing is exploration and fighting, i wanna be able to see the forest on the right not turn to it, and then turn back just to walk on the path. That was one of the things i liked about elder scrolls two and up, the ability to strafe. Made it so much easier to explore, see, lets say theres a huge open area, i wanted to look to my left and right to make sure there wasnt any enemies, but i also want to keep walking on my path as there is a dungeon ahead of me, with this games control scheme i woukd have to stop, turn left, then right, then go on my path again. To me, thats annoying.If they adopt Gameloft's control scheme they can allow you to strafe and look around easily. Doesn't matter if it's 1st or 3rd person.

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Or if they want to get really nuanced with it, they can allow you to use the analog stick to turn slightly left or right while running like in their video, but if you tap hard left or hard right you will strafe.

Swiping the screen with the right thumb moves the camera just like Gameloft.

Or of course try auto-targeting.

[Maphia]

One, take Gameloft's "swipe screen to look around camera". It is by far the most effecting way to controling character movement that isn't in a top down game. This isn't a RPG vs FPS vs action game thing, or a "battle of developer philosophies". It's using common sense to incorporate a control scheme that's PROVEN to sucessfully give iPhone game the feeling of control that dual sticks gives regular consoles. I'm a big proponent with this.

2nd of course would be the auto-aim. Keeps you locked on to the character . Trickier than the first method if two enemies are attacking at the same time, but can be done.

So yeah, do both.

Correct me if I'm wrong (I don't mean to start an argument), but was elecorn not the first to use the "touch anywhere" control scheme? If you read the guy's blog he kind of implies that he came up with it...

Sorry to be off-topic, this was just kind of bugging me. The game looks great, and I'm certainly amazed at what you've pulled off with such a small dev team. Honestly, between you guys and the guys working on DangerLands, you've truly shown how great indie developers who truly care about the gaming community can be!

[Goose]

yea it was caster, still a classy game that did it first. i'd also like to show my support for a movement scheme like that. it's just so intuitive for iphone controls.

[fenrir911]

I believe it was brothers in arms that was first to use that scheme, hence why gameloft being first to use it. It wasn't perfected until MC:S though.

[squarezero]

I believe it was brothers in arms that was first to use that scheme, hence why gameloft being first to use it. It wasn't perfected until MC:S though.
I think you are right about BIA, but Arta's point still holds: it's a good technique that has proven to work in a number of games from different publishers. In other words, a best-practice, available to anyone making a game that involves navigating a character in a 3D environment with a dynamic camera.

[Gryphon23]

I watched the beta video for this game. Everything looks great but the blood looks like paper. I understand it was the beta version in the vid, but I want to make sure, is the blood gonna look like that?

[eXistenT]

John Cen said : its a beta - and a lot of things are changing... including the skeleton blood

[Nausicaa]

I just wish developers didn't feel the need to lock a 'virtual stick' graphic in the interface. They look ugly and take up valuable screen real estate. I would prefer if you could just drop your thumb on the screen and that would become the active control area. Maybe a soft transparent circle could bloom when you touch, but even that isn't really necessary.

[eXistenT]

btw which company made this game Crescen moon game...human powered game ?
and you can buy from traders...

[Demonskunk]

I just wish developers didn't feel the need to lock a 'virtual stick' graphic in the interface. They look ugly and take up valuable screen real estate. I would prefer if you could just drop your thumb on the screen and that would become the active control area. Maybe a soft transparent circle could bloom when you touch, but even that isn't really necessary.
That doesn't work for some people, though, guy.. or lady, I guess.
I can't play roadkill cafe for that reason!

[ilovemyipod]

ive played something like this b4 in fable 2 and oblivion but i think ill really like this cause i might just play it all.

[sa66o6]

Look's great,pretty nice graphics,and from what I've seen there is a physics engine too.The animations need some work though.

[jase23]

this is my last post for awhile - but yes there will be strafing in the new control scheme. character customization won't come till the expansion pack.
bye now.
Don't worry guys, just make sure that you get the controls right. You can add the extra content later, or improve the animation, or whatever.

And I would hope that most people on this thread would understand that 1 programmer and 1 art director are not going to whip up an "Elder Scrolls: Oblivion" for the iPhone in a few months!

[squarezero]

btw which company made this game Crescen moon game...human powered game ?
and you can buy from traders...
Both. Josh is Crescent Moon Games. Russ is Human Powered Games.

[JoshCM]

I'm going to answer this question before anyone asks it.
It is probably unlikely that the game will be submitted the 15th as the controls are being reworked. Everything is coming out nicely, but refining it takes some time. I hope it will not be longer than a few days extra. Will let you know - as soon as we know.
-Josh

[ShadowsFall]

I'm going to answer this question before anyone asks it.
It is probably unlikely that the game will be submitted the 15th as the controls are being reworked. Everything is coming out nicely, but refining it takes some time. I hope it will not be longer than a few days extra. Will let you know - as soon as we know.
-Josh

Okay, then I shall spam it so then no one asks it for future preferences :P...

This is going to be submitted later than October 15th, a few days more :O

[skyye06]

I'm going to answer this question before anyone asks it.
It is probably unlikely that the game will be submitted the 15th as the controls are being reworked. Everything is coming out nicely, but refining it takes some time. I hope it will not be longer than a few days extra. Will let you know - as soon as we know.
-Josh

I kind of expected this as things almost never go as plan, not a bad things as its better to perfect it now than later.

Anyways hope it's not too soon...oh and josh since I was the 1000th poster, let me know when it's out before the others so I can post it;):p

[STP_Tim]

How are you guys changing the controls? Dragging method perhaps?

[jecebn]

Josh Please don't pospone the game any longer... First it was late September then it was supposed to be submitted oct.10 now your saying oct.15?

Don't listen to the whiners on here, you know this game will be good anyway so submit it already.

Do you ever have anything positive to say?

[Goose]

Josh Please don't pospone the game any longer... First it was late September then it was supposed to be submitted oct.10 now your saying oct.15?

Don't listen to the whiners on here, you know this game will be good anyway so submit it already.

patience is a virtue.

[JoshCM]

How are you guys changing the controls? Dragging method perhaps?

left thumb movement, including strafe.
right thumb swipe look. you can use two fingers to turn 180 degrees very quickly.

[sizzlakalonji]

left thumb movement, including strafe.
right thumb swipe look. you can use two fingers to turn 180 degrees very quickly.

I'm just curious...since it sounds like these control changes were precipitated by beta testers/publishers, do you feel that the controls are better now than before?

[Alienmario]

left thumb movement, including strafe.
right thumb swipe look. you can use two fingers to turn 180 degrees very quickly.

you mean Duke Nukem 3D* controls? the worst ever, sorry
but maybe i didnt understand :D

[Der-Kleine]

you mean Duke Nukem 3D* controls? the worst ever, sorry
but maybe i didnt understand :D

Well I guess they'll manage to make something good. ;)

[jak56]

oh dammit
i wish i could have beta tested this awsome looking game
too late now i guess:(

[Der-Kleine]

[You're too late to read this post.]

Use the Time Machine if you really really really want to see what I wrote. (You'll have to wait for someone to build one first thow! ;) :D )

[JoshCM]

beta testers are supposed to stay quiet!!!! :mad::rolleyes:
Der Kleine - see me in my office!!!!!

[squarezero]

you mean Duke Nukem 3D* controls? the worst ever, sorry
but maybe i didnt understand :D
You misunderstood. Think MC:S.

(I didn't say nuthin'!) ;)

[Goose]

I'm still waiting to see in what capacity magic has been added to the game.

[JoshCM]

We added 3 magical runes, the amulet of flame, and the homing amulet,
I can't say what the runes do - will keep that as a nice suprise for when you get to use them in the game. There will be more runes to play with in the expansion pack as well.

[Goose]

cool, thanks for the info!

[eXistenT]

you sure the game will submited this month :mad:

[NothingLikeSleep]

game submitted tomorrow! (if its not i'll be displeased beyond all human endurance).

[Tarcin]

game submitted tomorrow! (if its not i'll be displeased beyond all human endurance).

NOOOOO!!! I thought it was gonna be released in a month, so i used all my money!! AHHHH!! dang!

[NothingLikeSleep]

no, tomorrow is d day, and josh won't let us down or else he'll be swimming with the fishes :D

[squarezero]

NOOOOO!!! I thought it was gonna be released in a month, so i used all my money!! AHHHH!! dang!
It won't be submitted tomorrow (see Josh's comments above), but soon.

[JoshCM]

yes - remember I wrote that just in case anyone asked.
the redoing of the entire control system gave us a few days delay, we are going through all of the final bugs now.

[arta]

You misunderstood. Think MC:S.

(I didn't say nuthin'!) ;)

It does sound like MC/ Nova's control scheme. The addition of swiping with TWO fingers to make a quick 180 RE4 style is actually a brilliant idea.

I wonder why it's needed, since games like RE4 and Halo/ Nova have enemies that could suddenly be flanking you, while here I've only seen one slow beast at a time. Maybe you get trapped in a maze with two enemies? I dunno, great idea nonetheless.

[squarezero]

It does sound like MC/ Nova's control scheme. The addition of swiping with TWO fingers to make a quick 180 RE4 style is actually a brilliant idea.

I wonder why it's needed, since games like RE4 and Halo/ Nova have enemies that could suddenly be flanking you, while here I've only seen one slow beast at a time. Maybe you get trapped in a maze with two enemies? I dunno, great idea nonetheless.

Hrhmph, [clears throat].

Didn't say nuthin' again...

[NothingLikeSleep]

yes - remember I wrote that just in case anyone asked.
the redoing of the entire control system gave us a few days delay, we are going through all of the final bugs now.

josh all my hopes as a human being rest in your girly hands, do not fail

[JoshCM]

josh all my hopes as a human being rest in your girly hands, do not fail

We are working "beyond all human endurance"
The Elves of Ornylok are with us...

[JoshCM]

Ok guys I hate to say this but I have to now. The game is getting a big controls overhaul. The publisher and some other very important people (VIPs)
have brought this up. We were so used to the controls and satisfied with them (and even the beta testers didn't seem to mind them) but when we put it in front of the big wigs, they seemed to think that it needed change, and should be consistent with the other top games out there. It will be getting auto-targeting as well.
This may set the submission back a week.
Its lucky on the website it says "Coming this Fall" If we are lucky - Apple's approval times have been faster lately so it may still actually come out at the same time.

On a happy note - I don't think it will delay it too much, because Russ is the KING of programming (IMHO)
there are other optimizations that are being done as well.
So sit tight, and there will be some vids to watch to make you drool some more.


Here's my original quote and it still stands.
Theres no big delay. We are so close now that I can taste the app store!

[Nausicaa]

So your saying it's going to be delayed AGAIN for the 3rd time?
My hope for this game is fading away.

How dare the developers take a few extra days to make a better user experience!! I want my game now!! NOW! NOW! ME ME ME ME!!!

[kjell1979]

I don't care how long the game is delayed. It would stink if it were released with a killer bug in it. Yeah my interest would fade if we were still waiting for the game's release this time next year, but wouldn't that interest be rekindled if it turned out to be a fantastic game? I don't want this game to be the Two Worlds of the iPhone.

[eXistenT]

Here's my original quote and it still stands.
Theres no big delay. We are so close now that I can taste the app store!

from your post i understeand that game its subbmited to apple and they should approve...:confused:

[Onslaught]

So your saying it's going to be delayed AGAIN for the 3rd time?
My hope for this game is fading away.

You act like they delay the game to hurt you. They delay games to make sure they are perfect before release. especially with apples approval process. Other companies watched what happened to minigore at first. Rushing to bring out updates just ot have them buggy and shut down.

Take as much time as you guys need on ravensword, because the more time you spend the less bugs there will be on release.

[LBG]

I don't care how long the game is delayed. It would stink if it were released with a killer bug in it. Yeah my interest would fade if we were still waiting for the game's release this time next year, but wouldn't that interest be rekindled if it turned out to be a fantastic game? I don't want this game to be the Two Worlds of the iPhone.

Yeah.
Devs, don't feel any pressure to get this game released quick. Take care over the final checks to ensure that it is a top quality game, with no bugs/issues. I don't mind if it takes you until christmas to iron out all the problems. Looking forward to the release :)

[jase23]

yes - remember I wrote that just in case anyone asked.
the redoing of the entire control system gave us a few days delay, we are going through all of the final bugs now.
Take your time. I still have not even made it through Dungeon Hunter all the way. As long as the controls are good and not frustrating, you will do fine. Also, just set a reasonable price and keep it that way. $5-$7 would be great.

[NothingLikeSleep]

I wonder if it will take as long as the quests re release. Loyal gamers are being let down on every gaming platform these months

[Goose]

I wonder if it will take as long as the quests re release. Loyal gamers are being let down on every gaming platform these months

what does that even mean? dante's inferno, CoD, cocoto kart, Dungeonhunter.

there are tons of good games out recently and coming out.

[JoshCM]

Here's a pic of the new HUD - you will notice nothing on the screen.
That's because theres a transparency setting in the options now, and you can
make it completely invisible if you like. We arranged the layout of the controls so its very easy to play even with no controls on the screen, and it gives you a nice view of everything. There are other nice things in the settings as well.
We are just finishing up.

[twentyone]

Here's a pic of the new HUD - you will notice nothing on the screen.
That's because theres a transparency setting in the options now, and you can
make it completely invisible if you like. We arranged the layout of the controls so its very easy to play even with no controls on the screen, and it gives you a nice view of everything. There are other nice things in the settings as well.
We are just finishing up.

Obviously a great decision. Looks so much better!! :D

Thanks, Josh!

[macatron]

Here's a pic of the new HUD - you will notice nothing on the screen.
That's because theres a transparency setting in the options now, and you can
make it completely invisible if you like. We arranged the layout of the controls so its very easy to play even with no controls on the screen, and it gives you a nice view of everything. There are other nice things in the settings as well.
We are just finishing up.

THAT'S FREAKING SWEET!!!  Great call to allow for a completely transparent HUD. Now we'll be able to take screen shots of all those beautiful environments (i.e. like in Oblivion). Can't wait to start playing this! Great job guys! 

[enkein]

sexy !!! :D
cool thing :D

[NothingLikeSleep]

more screenshots please

[Sukal]

very nice HUD :) And Glad it is nearing Submission (again).

[NothingLikeSleep]

this game is going to shake the earth

[CaseyLay]

That's good Josh? Do you get separate options for each button on the interface? Or is it just all together?

[JoshCM]

That's good Josh? Do you get separate options for each button on the interface? Or is it just all together?

I think if there was one for each button that would take up the entire options menu. :p We did it all as one for now. Definitely looks cool when you're cruising through the environments...

[NothingLikeSleep]

I think if there was one for each button that would take up the entire options menu. :p We did it all as one for now. Definitely looks cool when you're cruising through the environments...

okay josh can we get a more precise date on when the game will be submitted to the app store? if not, can we see one more screen shot? preferably the hero talking to a village girl

i know u are there, your lights on. i only live in Pennsylvania, i can just walk to your house.

[JoshCM]

what kind of screenshot would you like to see?

[NothingLikeSleep]

what kind of screenshot would you like to see?

the hero talking to a village girl

[eXistenT]

something whit bears :eek: beautiful place ....

[NothingLikeSleep]

something whit bears :eek: beautiful place ....

what about beautiful girls! doesn't matter, girls or bears (no difference sometimes)

any second now

[JoshCM]

walking up to some people in the town.

http://forums.toucharcade.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=9340&d=1255833909

[NBM05]

Game looks great. First day purchase I expect.

[Zombie_dance]

Can i use this with 1st gen ipod? My 1st gen runs better than my friends 2nd gen somehow.

[eggzbacon]

Has this been submitted?

[weedeatinflyincougar]

Can i use this with 1st gen ipod? My 1st gen runs better than my friends 2nd gen somehow.

Really? Wow, he must not know the significance of doing a hard reboot.

I'm not sure how well this'll do on 1st Gen iDevices.

[CaseyLay]

walking up to some people in the town.

Great! Now post a pic of the hero doing a barrel roll riding a jet pack! NOW!!









jk..

[Der-Kleine]

Can i use this with 1st gen ipod? My 1st gen runs better than my friends 2nd gen somehow.

You can be pretty shure that it will run. ;)

[bladecup]

when when???

[NothingLikeSleep]

looks fab, absolutely fab

[Zombie_dance]

Dunno how but ive never gotten lag in a game except for physify when i but towers over towers making a total of 3000 blocks all with physics flying. :D

[theone1007]

It would be nice if it wasn't delayed so many times. I'm almost positive it will be delayed again because of some minor issue.

It would be nice if people would stop making ignorant and pointless comments like that.

ravensword_rpg final bug fixes - we're very close to submitting... 2 days ago

from the developer's Twitter.

[squarezero]

It would be nice if it wasn't delayed so many times. I'm almost positive it will be delayed again because of some minor issue.
There's only been one real delay. When Chillingo agreed to publish the game, they chose 10/15 as a submission date. Josh and Russ have done all they can to stay close to that date -- and they would have certainly made it if the decision had not been made to overhaul the control system. As a beta tester, I can't say anything about the game itself, but it should be obvious that it takes time to properly test something of this size.

Nobody is as anxious to get this game on the app store as Josh and Russ. And trust me: it's pretty darn close.

[JoshCM]

Completely revamping the controls and putting auto-target/auto-aim in set us back a week, but I think its well worth it. As a result the game is much more polished than it was.

[twentyone]

Completely revamping the controls and putting auto-target/auto-aim in set us back a week, but I think its well worth it. As a result the game is much more polished than it was.

Again, thanks Josh!

As you know, the auto-target/aim along with the new control method and also the ability to hide the controls make this great game even greater! Can't wait!:D

[eXistenT]

will be submited this week ?

[Der-Kleine]

will be submited this week ?

I don't think so. Sunday (today) is the last day of the week. ;)

[Sukal]

Josh, how much should we save for this? At initial price anyways.

[eXistenT]

wanted to say next week....

[NothingLikeSleep]

wanted to say next week....

ugh good job:(

now we will never know

[teagan1000000]

Is there going to be 3gs specific graphics or affects?
Cant wait till this game is out!

[Blak rhino]

It's sad that just as I thought the controll scheme looked really good it gets switched.

[JoshCM]

It's sad that just as I thought the controll scheme looked really good it gets switched.

are you trying to make us crazy? :p

[weedeatinflyincougar]

are you trying to make us crazy? :p

Why don't you just keep them both as optiojs so people can choose which one they prefer?

[JoshCM]

Why don't you just keep them both as optiojs so people can choose which one they prefer?

If you like the sandstorm or dexter controls I think you will like this.
having both sets of controls gets tricky, because you have to have calibration on the screen as well, so the HUD has to change if you have both.

Just curious - which controls did you like? (or were referring to?)

[Goose]

i am most happy to have the new controls, i wanna thank you guys for adapting them to your game, they really are very effective.

[JoshCM]

It was really Eli and Arn from touch arcade that convinced us to put the new controls in. they thought the original ones were a little strange - I was so used to them by that point that they didn't bug me.
I'm still getting used to the new ones, but I like them better already. :)

[arta]

Why don't you just keep them both as optiojs so people can choose which one they prefer?You mean the old one analog to walk and turn directions, as opposed to swipe and look?

Why not both?

jLFS2KBlKHI

Check it (especially at 3:50). The character can walk around like in the original Ravensword videos with one analog stick.When you move the stick slightly to the left or right, he turns slightly. But you can still swipe to look around. Throw in the fact that he automatically targets his closest enemy OR target by tapping on them. Now allow him to strafe by holding extreme right or left on the stick.

See, everything in one game, and it's already proven. JoshCM made the right choice with adapting them.

[JoshCM]

it was Russ that put it all in - I can't take any of the credit, other than relaying the messages! Russ is still the king of programming in my book.

[NothingLikeSleep]

what are the chances that the game will be submitted by this coming friday?

[Kunning]

Hey Josh, just wanted to let you know; take your time with the controls, it's better to release a game with no bugs, even if the date is set back. With that being said, what is the estimate of the date you'll submit it?

[JoshCM]

IF - and I mean if - we finish the last bit of stuff in the next day or two,
it gets submitted to Chillingo and passes their tests, it could be submitted by Friday. I was hoping for Thursday as it would have been exactly one week when I said after we finished the controls. In that sentence I can't promise anything but it is our hope that it gets submitted this week.

[NothingLikeSleep]

if - and i mean if - we finish the last bit of stuff in the next day or two,
it gets submitted to chillingo and passes their tests, it could be submitted by friday. I was hoping for thursday as it would have been exactly one week when i said after we finished the controls. In that sentence i can't promise anything but it is our hope that it gets submitted this week.

hooray!!!!!!!!!!

[shkudt]

@ravensword_rpg link to controls Ravensword controls vid http://bit.ly/4EawR3

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[JoshCM]

I pointed out in the vid that I like shadows off for best frame rate - but you can see that the 3GS doesn't really suffer from that. I'm still not awake yet...

[MrSpud]

Good god! What are you doing with all these dead rats in your inventory! Yucks!

Anyway, thanks for the new video, the controls look pretty smooth and I really like having all these options to mess around with the game.

[squarezero]

Good god! What are you doing with all these dead rats in your inventory! Yucks!

Anyway, thanks for the new video, the controls look pretty smooth and I really like having all these options to mess around with the game.
Trust me -- there's a reason to hold on to rats.

Great job on the video Josh -- that should answer a lot of questions.

[Goose]

nice vid. looking forward to it.

[Pitta]

Great video, really.
I cannot wait to play the full game (but please, take all the time you need to polish it and do not mind the 'I wanted it yesterday now I won't buy it anymore' posts).

Thanks for the update.

[Cartman2]

Oh MY God!!! I hope that you can dodge my wifes meat cleaver when she finds out that I have resigned my position at work!!:D since I will be in rpg heaven when I play Ravensword!
Alas, the crying of those small hungry children, what to do? What to do? All I can say is run, JoshCM, run!! And if you hear the whisteling sound speeding toward you, DUCK!! Dodge, weave, be like lightning! But fore the mother of god stay alive!! Because I will need new missions to play!!!!!:D

Seriously the game looks awesome!!
Ds. But do not forget to duck!! :D

[fenrir911]

please tell me that you guys added invert aim...

[JoshCM]

please tell me that you guys added invert aim...

yes we did. its in the settings if you watch the video - its called inverted look.

[squarezero]

please tell me that you guys added invert aim...

Take a look at the video again -- the answer to your question lies therein...

[Der-Kleine]

Take a look at the video again -- the answer to your question lies therein...

too late^! :p

[squarezero]

too late^! :p
I know, I know. Josh was in quick response mode...

[Der-Kleine]

why has the ammount of pages of this thread gone mad? :(

[MrSpud]

why has the ammount of pages of this thread gone mad? :(

I was just going to say that, more pages showing than there is. Must be some sort of bug...

[itman]

Did you get it submitted?

[squarezero]

I was just going to say that, more pages showing than there is. Must be some sort of bug...
I think it happens when posts get deleted: the CMS doesn't update the # of pages once posts have been added, so it keep opening up spaces for non-existent posts. Have seen it happen in other threads.

[Nausicaa]

Really wonderful video. I'm impressed with how populated the game world is, lots of flowers, bushes, trees and buildings. Even more impressive that you can maintain such solid framerates.

[qasim]

http://touchiphonegames.com/content/ravensword-fallen-king-new-video-released


new vid

[Der-Kleine]

http://touchiphonegames.com/content/ravensword-fallen-king-new-video-released


new vid

read the last few pages. :p

[qasim]

read the last few pages. :p

lmao. i'm not keeping up w/ this thread. Just saw it posted on twitter ! :p

[Der-Kleine]

lmao. i'm not keeping up w/ this thread. Just saw it posted on twitter ! :p

What where we talking about on the last few pages? :p

[Der-Kleine]

lmao. i'm not keeping up w/ this thread. Just saw it posted on twitter ! :p

This was the post BEFORE your post!

Really wonderful video. I'm impressed with how populated the game world is, lots of flowers, bushes, trees and buildings. Even more impressive that you can maintain such solid framerates.

[WunDaii]

I pointed out in the vid that I like shadows off for best frame rate - but you can see that the 3GS doesn't really suffer from that. I'm still not awake yet...
Check your DMs ;)

Good luck with the game! Amazing!

[qasim]

This was the post BEFORE your post!

Nooo.... :confused:

[NothingLikeSleep]

looks amazing, but will the hero's clothes change or just upgrade because iv only seen him wear the same clothes everyday

"thick nourishing ale; because water makes you sober"

ahahaha

im definitely playing with foliage on.

[qasim]

This was the post BEFORE your post!

The actual video was not.... :confused:

[squarezero]

The actual video was not.... :confused:
What is this, an Abbott and Costello routine?

[Tarcin]

so whens it coming out again? I got a cache of money waiting for it to be released.

[Goose]

We. Do not. Know. True story

[NothingLikeSleep]

I hope this game has massive free roam like the quest

[squarezero]

I hope this game has massive free roam like the quest
The Quest is massive, but huge chunks of it kind-of-sort-of look the same. Without revealing anything about what I know of Ravensword, can you imagine what it would take to make something as big as the Quest but with unique 3D landscapes? Do you think that's something a mobile device could handle? More to the point, do you think that's something a small development team could manage to put together? At App Store prices?

Please be realistic about your expectations, folks. The iPhone is great, but it's no PS3.

[JoshCM]

Yes - I agree with that. Its a world that feels big and open to explore(for an iPhone game), but you have to have realistic expectations about it.
Also, it doesn't have all of the fanciness of a hardcore RPG like the Quest - its half adventure game (zelda) half RPG (oblivion) scaled down to iPhone size of course.
I have said this before, but we do plan to have a pretty extensive expansion pack right after this. (Now that all of the game infrastructure is there) I'm hoping that it will be DLC that will exist right in the game - so you could buy Ravensword latest version, and click download expansion pack - while your playing, get all of the customization, extra weapons, extra levels, and more. Its already got a decent 7-8 hour play time (give or take depending how much you don't explore or mess around. I hope that answers some questions.

[B34$T]

I haven't been following this much so I'm not too familiar with how it plays. I have heard it compared to Zelda:) and Oblivion:confused: so I want to know exactly how gameplay works.

[dominator246]

release date? :D

[squarezero]

I haven't been following this much so I'm not too familiar with how it plays. I have heard it compared to Zelda:) and Oblivion:confused: so I want to know exactly how gameplay works.
Read the thread (at least Josh's comments -- he's one of the developers), watch the videos. That should give you an idea of how it plays.

[kingkong120]

looks amazing, but will the hero's clothes change or just upgrade because iv only seen him wear the same clothes everyday

Hmm...I've noticed that too. Josh?

[squarezero]

Hmm...I've noticed that too. Josh?
Too busy fighting evil to do laundry?

[kingkong120]

Too busy fighting evil to do laundry?

quite possibly.

[NomaD]

I haven't been following this much so I'm not too familiar with how it plays. I have heard it compared to Zelda:) and Oblivion:confused: so I want to know exactly how gameplay works.

not really.... maybe a dumbed down version of morrowind. but still looks like a good starting point for similar RPGs on the iphone

[NomaD]

release date? :D

this or next month

[AmazingRuss]

Too busy fighting evil to do laundry?

It's one of his faults, I'm afraid. By the time he reaches level 10 or so, he smells like a hobo.

Release got moved back a few days, due to an elusive crash bug. It's fixed, though, and I'll be wrapping things up tomorrow, then it goes to Chillingo for review.

The game is coming out really nice. The new controls are a vast improvement, and many of the things you guys asked for made it in. We're close. So very close...

[Sukal]

How much will original game and ,if you can tell me, the expansion cost? I wana make sure I save enough. :)

[Der-Kleine]

How much will original game and ,if you can tell me, the expansion cost? I wana make sure I save enough. :)

I think it'll be something like 7$, but I'm not 100% sure...