Nova HD looking amazing!

[ChrisMayer]

Nova has always looked good on iPhone, but I've been put off buying it as I'm not a fan of FPS games on the iPhone's little screen.

But I've just watched this video (http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/video/sneak-peek-ipad-10255279) which shows some footage of the iPad version and I'm really excited. For me the main issue with the on-screen analog stick setup used by most FPS's was that on iPhone it took up too much space and restricted view of the gameplay, but that hardly seems to be a problem on iPad :)

Is anyone else as excited about FPS's on iPad as me?

http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/n-o-v-a-near-orbit-vanguard/id363875948?mt=8

[All-Eyez-On-Me]

The graphics look really good, but it is going to be one of the hardest games to control on the iPad, I hope some third party controller comes out for the iPad.

[Goose]

The graphics look really good, but it is going to be one of the hardest games to control on the iPad, I hope some third party controller comes out for the iPad.

you can move the controls anywhere on the screen, and you're naturally gonna wanna wrap your thumbs around the screen, this game is going to be very easy to control, it's moronic to think it's gonna be awkward.

[Scaramoosh]

Man the Border on that thing is too thick lol, they could make the screen 2 inches bigger by getting rid of it.

[txag2005]

FPS touch controls suck no matter the size of the device. That is the issue with this game.

[backtothis]

FPS touch controls suck no matter the size of the device. That is the issue with this game.

you must be joking.

[Scaramoosh]

They need to use the camera on the Iphone to register movement for the camera in the game.

(obviously you can't do that for the Ipad version)

[txag2005]

you must be joking.



Have you ever played a console or PC shooter? Touch controls for an FPS are trash compared to a controller or mouse and keyboard.

[Scaramoosh]

Have you ever played a console or PC shooter? Touch controls for an FPS are trash compared to a controller or mouse and keyboard.

Yeh but Touch screen controls are trash for pretty much everything that isn't a God game or an RTS lol. Apple need to allow third party cases that have buttons on them and a flash for the cam. I don't see why they don't allow people to make their device better.

[Osmiral]

I find touch controls to be great! (Yes I have played lots of PC shooters, and Xbox 360 shooters). The controls may take a little getting used to for some people but I find that they work great.

[Kunning]

Agreed. I find that using a mouse and keyboard is actually harder than on the touch screen. Coordinating seven or eight things on the computer is actually harder than just coordinating like three or four on a touch screen.

[txag2005]

It may be hard at first, but mouse and keyboard controls are superior to any other for FPS games. There is a reason why on the few FPS games that had cross platform multilayer, either the PC users dominated matches or the console versions had things like auto aim to help even the playing field. Controllers fall in behind the mouse and keyboard.

Give me an iPad that has a mouse and keyboard or the ability to use a 3rd party controller and then it will become a legitimate non portable gaming device.

[Goose]

It may be hard at first, but mouse and keyboard controls are superior to any other for FPS games. There is a reason why on the few FPS games that had cross platform multilayer, either the PC users dominated matches or the console versions had things like auto aim to help even the playing field. Controllers fall in behind the mouse and keyboard.

Give me an iPad that has a mouse and keyboard or the ability to use a 3rd party controller and then it will become a legitimate non portable gaming device.


key words bolded. this is not a pc, is not intended to be a pc, nor is it intended to compete with a pc. it kicks the living shat out of psp, ds, or any other handheld gaming device for fps's, hands down. you want a mouse to play shooters, use your pc. jesus man.

[SJP99]

FPS on itouch are awesome. I dont see how peolple can complain about the controls on them. The ipad is to big for fps. i mean you have to take your entire hand off the ipad to aim!!!!! The graphics dont seem that much better anyway.

[txag2005]

key words bolded. this is not a pc, is not intended to be a pc, nor is it intended to compete with a pc. it kicks the living shat out of psp, ds, or any other handheld gaming device for fps's, hands down. you want a mouse to play shooters, use your pc. jesus man.

Completely not true. You can try to legitimize touch controls all day, outside of certain puzzle games and RTS games, touch controls pale in comparison to the same genre on other portable platforms with actual buttons.

Regarding portability, a DS, PSP or iPhone/iPod touch blow it out of the water in that regard.

[Kamazar]

key words bolded. this is not a pc, is not intended to be a pc, nor is it intended to compete with a pc. it kicks the living shat out of psp, ds, or any other handheld gaming device for fps's, hands down. you want a mouse to play shooters, use your pc. jesus man.

It really doesn't. Doesn't hold a candle to Metroid Prime hunters, and you always run into that snag when your fingers aren't greasy enough and the friction builds up between your hand and the screen, screwing up whatever you were doing.

[Goose]

Completely not true. You can try to legitimize touch controls all day, outside of certain puzzle games and RTS games, touch controls pale in comparison to the same genre on other portable platforms with actual buttons.

Regarding portability, a DS, PSP or iPhone/iPod touch blow it out of the water in that regard.

this must be a coordination issue for you, i've never had trouble aiming and moving in iphone fps's. also, play coded arms on psp, poor controls, metroid prime on ds, awful graphics and again, poor controls. simply because those consoles have buttons doesn't mean their control schemes are innately better.

as harsh as it is, L2P.

[txag2005]

this must be a coordination issue for you, i've never had trouble aiming and moving in iphone fps's. also, play coded arms on psp, poor controls, metroid prime on ds, awful graphics and again, poor controls. simply because those consoles have buttons doesn't mean their control schemes are innately better.

as harsh as it is, L2P.

It's not a coordination issue, it's the fact that touch controls are
gimmicky at best. Compare GTA, great iPhone game but the controls are garbage compared to the DS or PSP versions. The same issues would exist on the ipad.

I can accept people who don't mind touch controls, but are you seriously sitting here and arguing they are superior?

[Kunning]

It's not a coordination issue, it's the fact that touch controls are
gimmicky at best. Compare GTA, great iPhone game but the controls are garbage compared to the DS or PSP versions. The same issues would exist on the ipad.

I can accept people who don't mind touch controls, but are you seriously sitting here and arguing they are superior?

Honestly, I don't want to insult you here or anything, but if you have problems with standard touch screen FPS and GTA:CW's controls, then you're seriously uncoordinated.

[txag2005]

Honestly, I don't want to insult you here or anything, but if you have problems with standard touch screen FPS and GTA:CW's controls, then you're seriously uncoordinated.

I didn't say I have problems. I play games just fine on here. What I'm saying is touch controls are inferior to actual buttons. There is a difference. I can be good at using something but still prefer something else.

[Kunning]

I didn't say I have problems. I play games just fine on here. What I'm saying is touch controls are inferior to actual buttons. There is a difference. I can be good at using something but still prefer something else.

Then you need to know everyone has their preference. Personally, I feel touch controls are easier than actual buttons, though I do well with both. End of discussion. This was pointless.

[Omega-F]

FPS on itouch are awesome. I dont see how peolple can complain about the controls on them. The ipad is to big for fps. i mean you have to take your entire hand off the ipad to aim!!!!! The graphics dont seem that much better anyway.

They are not.

[txag2005]

Then you need to know everyone has their preference. Personally, I feel touch controls are easier than actual buttons, though I do well with both. End of discussion. This was pointless.

No. When people make the ridiculous comment that touch controls are better I have to respond. This is a discussion forum after all.

[Osmiral]

No. When people make the ridiculous comment that touch controls are better I have to respond. This is a discussion forum after all.

Dude, chill. People can have there own opinions. I personally don't the controls on other handheld gaming devices but that's just my opinion. Just because I like touch controls for handheld gaming better doesn't mean that you have to try to prove me wrong. People can have there own opinions. End of story.

[txag2005]

Dude, chill. People can have there own opinions. I personally don't the controls on other handheld gaming devices but that's just my opinion. Just because I like touch controls for handheld gaming better doesn't mean that you have to try to prove me wrong. People can have there own opinions. End of story.

Well what do you expect when a-holes start insulting my coordination. I have a right to discuss my opinion and if you don't like it, leave the thread. End of story.

[Random_Guy]

I can't believe someone has already bought this.

[zamansimba]

ok this is what i think of this issue

-for FPS, touch controls is inferior to buttons. Why? Firstly, the issue about screen stickiness. Then, you can't track or target a moving target without firing, which is easy on a keyboard. On my PC, I can keep on targeting a moving target with my mouse with firing only selectively to conserve ammo without lifting my fingers of the control device. On my iPad, i can chose either to move the reticle/view and then lifting my thumb to press fire; or keep on pressing fire while moving the reticule which case i cant control the rate of fire. Thirdly, the issue about buttons covering the screen-slide your view fast enough to turn around and your thumbs would go everywhere. i think the iPad will improve this, remains to be seen.

-IMO, the issue here is not really of people thinking that touchscreens controls are superior to buttons. The issue here is that Apple fanboys trying to make everything Apple sound good, while not even being fair to others. The iPhone OS is a good gaming device, but it is limited to games that can optimize controls to the touchscreens. And btw, i wont really say iPad would kill off every handheld out there, not unless we have the same quality of games like on the PSP. We do have the numbers, though.

[Kunning]

Well what do you expect when a-holes start insulting my coordination. I have a right to discuss my opinion and if you don't like it, leave the thread. End of story.

Read my post again and you'll see I wasn't insulting you. The word "if" was in there. Now I know most people aren't English pros, but I just want you to know that I was saying IF you couldn't handle it then you're seriously uncoordinated. Honestly though, you're not respecting other people's opinions well, and you just have to have everyone agree physical button controls are better. Sigh. :rolleyes:

[txag2005]

Honestly this whole discussion goes back to a couple things

1.) The idea that Nova is some sort of crowning achievement in gaming. It would be average at best on another platform

2.) The fact that despite all the people on here who think the iPad is going to destroy the rest of the handheld gaming, that will NEVER happen as long as touch controls are the only legitimate option.

It just blows my mind that people on here actually think these touch controls are superior. Take that argument to any other gaming forum on the internet and you would be laughed out of there. I just think a little counter agreement is needed to put people back on Earth to realize that iDevices will never take over handheld gaming. At best they will own the mobile gaming market, but never get real handheld console games outside of the occasional port like GTA.

[SJP99]

In terms of HANDHELD gaming( not pc) fps are best on iphone and itouch. PSP fps have bad controls and the DS doesnt have the best graphics.

[txag2005]

In terms of HANDHELD gaming( not pc) fps are best on iphone and itouch. PSP fps have bad controls and the DS doesnt have the best graphics.

The fact is what the games that count as quality FPS games on the iPhone would be average at best on the PSP or DS.

With that aside, when you start dipping into other games, the average PSP/DS game blows the iPhone out of the water. It's not even a fair comparison.

[SJP99]

Honestly this whole discussion goes back to a couple things

1.) The idea that Nova is some sort of crowning achievement in gaming. It would be average at best on another platform

2.) The fact that despite all the people on here who think the iPad is going to destroy the rest of the handheld gaming, that will NEVER happen as long as touch controls are the only legitimate option.

It just blows my mind that people on here actually think these touch controls are superior. Take that argument to any other gaming forum on the internet and you would be laughed out of there. I just think a little counter agreement is needed to put people back on Earth to realize that iDevices will never take over handheld gaming. At best they will own the mobile gaming market, but never get real handheld console games outside of the occasional port like GTA.

what are you talking about. Idevices occupy 19 percent of the portable gameing market vs the psp 11 percent. I think that makes it a pretty succful handheld gameing device.

[Kunning]

Honestly this whole discussion goes back to a couple things

1.) The idea that Nova is some sort of crowning achievement in gaming. It would be average at best on another platform

2.) The fact that despite all the people on here who think the iPad is going to destroy the rest of the handheld gaming, that will NEVER happen as long as touch controls are the only legitimate option.

It just blows my mind that people on here actually think these touch controls are superior. Take that argument to any other gaming forum on the internet and you would be laughed out of there. I just think a little counter agreement is needed to put people back on Earth to realize that iDevices will never take over handheld gaming. At best they will own the mobile gaming market, but never get real handheld console games outside of the occasional port like GTA.

Well, the effort you're giving is wasted. Apple's already taken up a big percentage of Sony's market. See these figures:

http://blog.flurry.com/Portals/41620/images//iPhone_USvidGameShare_2009.png

http://blog.flurry.com/Portals/41620/images//iPhone_USportableGameShare_2009.png

[txag2005]

Those numbers are irrelevant when you look at the quality. The junk that passes as top quality on this device are absolute garbage compared to the high quality titles on the PSP. Hell the same could be said for the Wii. It destroys the 360/PS3 in console sales and often takes up a large amount of slots on the top 10 selling software. With that said, I doubt many gamers would claim the Wii is a superior console. Outside of a few Nintendo exclusives and the occational obscure game like A Boy and his Blob, the Wii is crap. Sales numbers do not change that.

[zamansimba]

more revenue just means consumers are spending more and companies are getting more of our money. i don't see the pride in it, unless off course, fanboys....

it is useless unless we get something in return, which is more quality content and titles for the iphone OS

[Kunning]

Those numbers are irrelevant when you look at the quality. The junk that passes as top quality on this device are absolute garbage compared to the high quality titles on the PSP. Hell the same could be said for the Wii. It destroys the 360/PS3 in console sales and often takes up a large amount of slots on the top 10 selling software. With that said, I doubt many gamers would claim the Wii is a superior console. Outside of a few Nintendo exclusives and the occational obscure game like A Boy and his Blob, the Wii is crap. Sales numbers do not change that.

The PSP and DS doesn't have COD. It has Final Fantasy and GTA:CW, but the iPhone has that too. The iPod Touch's hardware is the same as the DS's, and a smidgen lower than the PSP's, but the 3GS's hardware and 3rd gen iPod Touch hardware is actually better than the PSP's and uses almost the same hardware as the XBOX360, just with a slower processor.

Things are looking up for iPhone gaming. If you don't enjoy it, why are you even here? This conversation of iPhone VS DS VS PSP is old, please just GTFO, shutup, or talk about something helpful and not extremely stupid or obvious. Kthxbai! :cool:

[txag2005]

The PSP and DS doesn't have COD. It has Final Fantasy and GTA:CW, but the iPhone has that too. The iPod Touch's hardware is the same as the DS's, and a smidgen lower than the PSP's, but the 3GS's hardware and 3rd gen iPod Touch hardware is actually better than the PSP's and uses almost the same hardware as the XBOX360, just with a slower processor.

Things are looking up for iPhone gaming. If you don't enjoy it, why are you even here? This conversation of iPhone VS DS VS PSP is old, please just GTFO, shutup, or talk about something helpful and not extremely stupid or obvious. Kthxbai! :cool:

For starters the PSP does have a CoD game, but either way CoD Zombies is a joke. It's a game mode from the console version and is nothing but 2 maps, hardly anything worth bragging about. The iPhone has PSP ports of the original Final Fantasy games, while the PSP has FFVII Crisis Core and additional games far and above the quality of the iPhone games. The DS also has solid 3D remakes of FFIII and FFIV in addition to dozens of other excellent RPG's. The only game on the iPhone that can compare is GTA:CTW, and it only only equal footing when you overlook the controls, which are superior on both the DS and PSP versions. Hardware is illrelevant when you don't have software to back it up.

I actually enjoy a number of games on my iPhone, as you can see by my sig. With that said, the apple fanboys who think the iPad is going to dominate the portable game industry and claim the iPhone will as well are crazy. I just think people need to be brought down to earth and realize the iDevices are nothing but glorified mobile gaming devices. They own the mobile gaming market and that is it.

[SJP99]

Okay there are alot of ideviece games. Many are crap but The itouch and iphone have some very high quaility games if you havnt noticed. If anybodys
wants ill post a list of current and upcomeing "quality games".

[Kunning]

iPhone games have the hardware.

iPhone games have a good price.

iPhone games lack innovation or actual console gameplay.

They will not "dominate" the handheld industry (whoever said that is a retard), but they certainly can take a chunk of it. That's all I'm trying to say. Plus, Nintendo and Sony have been around shitloads longer than Apple.

txag2005 isn't being realistic, he's just stuck in the past and won't look ahead in the future.

[txag2005]

iPhone games have the hardware.

iPhone games have a good price.

iPhone games lack innovation or actual console gameplay.

They will not "dominate" the handheld industry (whoever said that is a retard), but they certainly can take a chunk of it. That's all I'm trying to say. Plus, Nintendo and Sony have been around shitloads longer than Apple.

txag2005 isn't being realistic, he's just stuck in the past and won't look ahead in the future.

I dont think you can argue the point that the best the iPhone has to offer pales in comparison in terms of depth and quality with average to great PSP/DS games. That is the key issue here. The major developers on their end are some of the top developers in the industry. The top developers on the iPhone are mobile specific developers. Sure they do a good job with mobile games, but they are not of the same quality as the work put out by the development teams who work on DS and PSP games. The only exceptions I can see are the GTA:CTW port and the upcoming Square Enix RPG.

Like I said, hardware or how long Sony/Nintendo have been around are irrelevant if the iPhone continues to put out causal games and continue to have mobile game focused developers as their A team developers.

[Omega-F]

I think txag2005 is a jealous fantard because his beloved DS/PSP doesn't have the Triple A games the iDevices have, such as Nova, Gangstar, COD Zombies, Rayman 2 (the definitive version), Tony Hawk PS2 (the definitive version), and the list goes on and on*






*sarcasm.

[txag2005]

I think txag2005 is a jealous fantard because his beloved DS/PSP doesn't have the Triple A games the iDevices have, such as Nova, Gangstar, COD Zombies, Rayman 2 (the definitive version), Tony Hawk PS2 (the definitive version), and the list goes on and on*






*sarcasm.

CoD Zombies is definately the system seller......I still get over the popularity of that crap...$15 for two freakin maps...unreal

[The Game Reaper]

The future lies within casual gaming, not hardcore. With casual gaming there's a much larger market.

[txag2005]

The future lies within casual gaming, not hardcore. With casual gaming there's a much larger market.

God help us all then....if our future is the Wii, we are screwed

[Krispod]

What if the developer could implement the keyboard dock into their games..? you would use the W A S D keys to move your body and the space key to fire. aiming with your finger on the screen.... only problem is that the keyboard dock only works in portrait mode...

[zamansimba]

The future lies within casual gaming, not hardcore. With casual gaming there's a much larger market.

But we are consumers/gamers, not corporations that care about 'market'

No gamer in their right mind would trade quality games with short casual games, if they have the choice

[Feltzem]

The PSP and DS doesn't have COD. It has Final Fantasy and GTA:CW, but the iPhone has that too. The iPod Touch's hardware is the same as the DS's, and a smidgen lower than the PSP's, but the 3GS's hardware and 3rd gen iPod Touch hardware is actually better than the PSP's and uses almost the same hardware as the XBOX360, just with a slower processor.

Things are looking up for iPhone gaming. If you don't enjoy it, why are you even here? This conversation of iPhone VS DS VS PSP is old, please just GTFO, shutup, or talk about something helpful and not extremely stupid or obvious. Kthxbai! :cool:

What do you mean the iPod touch (assuming you mean 1st and 2nd gen) is the same as ds hardware? The iPod touch has a processor at least 5x better as the DS (~100MHz vs 533 MHz), somethings like 32x as much RAM and a screen with 2x more pixels (also a bigger screen). The iPod Touch has WAY better hardware than the DS, specs wise. Also it has better hardware than the PSP, even the 1st Gen which has a ~412MHz processor, superior to the PSP's (correct me if I'm wrong) 333MHz processor. It also has more RAM, the PSP has 32MB while the 1st and 2nd gen iPod touches have 128MB RAM. The screen is also better, it has slightly more pixels in a smaller size, meaning a higher pixel density. Don't know what you mean about the 3rd gen almost having xbox 360 hardware though, it's not even close.

[SJP99]

Iphone gaming has really changed this year. Stop thinking about all those crap games and look at the good.

NOVA
MC sandstorm
NFS
FF(the upcoming one)
choas rings
kick ass
GTA
simcity
sim 3 and world adventures
splinter cell
mirrors edge
zombie infection
madden
fifa 10(the upcoming one)
NBA live
BIA
BIA 2
gt racing

and many more i cant recall right now.............

ipod touch and iphone are way more powerful than ds and more powerful than psp.