Grassroots consumer advocates exposing scam artists selling games for more than 99¢

[weehoo]

And you try to argue that u not mad.

Doesn't anybody want to comment on my "MADLIBS" comparison found at the bottom of page 17. Social conditioning is directly responsible for the belief's of the opposition. When you alter just a few words and apply it to something a little more complex/important, the significance and true meaning of the message is revealed.

Try to respect:
Artists that want to share their art with the world and make a modest living for doing something they love.

Nikola tesla, for wanting to provide the world with free energy so that mankind would not hinder under the restraints of coorporatism.

Try to resist:
Artists who want to increase their earnings by setting market prices in collusion with other major developers, which conditions the customer to accept the terms without alternatives.

Thomas Edison, who used his business-saavy, dollar-dominated phylosophy to stamp, market and sell.

Free your mind from the complacency that festers within you. Fight for your right to fair pricing. You don't even realize that they'll lower the price soon once people get over the fact that square Enid duped you for a 20 year old port.

[c0re]

http://benergy.free.fr/pics/mad.jpg

[Eli]

Doesn't anybody want to comment on my "MADLIBS" comparison found at the bottom of page 17. Social conditioning is directly responsible for the belief's of the opposition. When you alter just a few words and apply it to something a little more complex/important, the significance and true meaning of the message is revealed.

Try to respect:
Artists that want to share their art with the world and make a modest living for doing something they love.

Nikola tesla, for wanting to provide the world with free energy so that mankind would not hinder under the restraints of coorporatism.

Try to resist:
Artists who want to increase their earnings by setting market prices in collusion with other major developers, which conditions the customer to accept the terms without alternatives.

Thomas Edison, who used his business-saavy, dollar-dominated phylosophy to stamp, market and sell.

Free your mind from the complacency that festers within you. Fight for your right to fair pricing. You don't even realize that they'll lower the price soon once people get over the fact that square Enid duped you for a 20 year old port.

now u really mad

[natedogg213]

Yes Weehoo is indeed very smart , he hasnt answered my post yet. He is smart enough to avoid trouble and picks what to respond to.


"Here comes probaly one of the most EPIC posts in toucharcade history"


Enix building = the building in which they run thier company from. No they dont get free rent , do you?? Try $20,000 a month for housing 100+ employees.

Enix utility bill= Electicity=$8,000 a month. You think running all those computers are free , think again. QuadCore processors 10GB running memory computers that we wont see in the market until 10 years from now, unless we have money.

Enix Staff = Professional Programmers = $50,000-$70,000 a year. These are professional programmers and artist/animators and game designers. They work overtime making games for you to enjoy and sometimes not even getting paid for the overtime.

Marketing and ADs= For IOS magazines and media outlets rates from $300-$500 dollars per ADs spot.


So now do you people get the point already . Do your own research , making quality games isnt cheap. They have to remake the game even if its a port. They dont just transfer the game over , they have to recode it and redraw it to fit the IOS device. Now do you still think thier prices are to high ?

$16 - 30% cut that apple takes = $12 left
$12- 30% tax from the government = $9

$9 for a console quality game isnt expensive or price gouging at all . Thats the price of a used game , which final fantasy 3 is a used game. Now my main point is we shouldnt be afraid to pay for quality.

Hold up, so you are trying to prove your point by making up bogus numbers? Seriously!? Where do I start:

-Square/Enix has way more than 100 employees. Try around 3,000
-Utilities don't generally cost 40 percent of rent, c'mon now
-Computers that won't be available in 10 years? That's how they made the awesome graphics for FF3!? Quit making stuff up...
-You are making up salary figures now? Where did you get these? Are they an average?
-They don't get paid for overtime!? Playing along with your B.S. wouldn't you be suggesting that we pay more to the company that treats its workers unfairly?
-Marketing and ADs - $300-$500 dollars per ADs spot? They are a multimillion dollar corporation. Aren't we getting in the weeds a bit now!?

SO NO, I don't get the point of your made up post, but you keep going!

-The 30% Apple take is part of doing business, and is a good deal to get your content distributed to the masses.
-I'm not even going to get into the taxes. Your simplification is misleading at best and ridiculous at worse. Do you take into consideration operating expenses, tax credits, deductions. Like I said, not going there....

To tie this back into the thread, this game is $16, not $9, and it pales in comparison to high end titles that I mentioned previously. For you to have the nerve to tell us all to "do research" when you obviously didn't do so makes me laugh. Like I also said earlier, if you love this game and don't mind paying $16 then get it, but don't try to make an argument that it makes sense that they charge that much, because it doesn't. I base my argument on precedent, and there is none. No other high profile title I have seen has been near this much $$.

[Eli]

Hold up, so you are trying to prove your point by making up bogus numbers? Seriously!? Where do I start:

-Square/Enix has way more than 100 employees. Try around 3,000
-Utilities don't generally cost 40 percent of rent, c'mon now
-Computers that won't be available in 10 years? That's how they made the awesome graphics for FF3!? Quit making stuff up...
-You are making up salary figures now? Where did you get these? Are they an average?
-They don't get paid for overtime!? Playing along with your B.S. wouldn't you be suggesting that we pay more to the company that treats its workers unfairly?
-Marketing and ADs - $300-$500 dollars per ADs spot? They are a multimillion dollar corporation. Aren't we getting in the weeds a bit now!?

SO NO, I don't get the point of your made up post, but you keep going!

-The 30% Apple take is part of doing business, and is a good deal to get your content distributed to the masses.
-I'm not even going to get into the taxes. Your simplification is misleading at best and ridiculous at worse. Do you take into consideration operating expenses, tax credits, deductions. Like I said, not going there....

To tie this back into the thread, this game is $16, not $9, and it pales in comparison to high end titles that I mentioned previously. For you to have the nerve to tell us all to "do research" when you obviously didn't do so makes me laugh. Like I also said earlier, if you love this game and don't mind paying $16 then get it, but don't try to make an argument that it makes sense that they charge that much, because it doesn't. I base my argument on precedent, and there is none. No other high profile title I have seen has been near this much $$.

In conclusion game development costs nothing and all games should be free.

[Sxethang]

My sons response to FF being less than $14.99, "It' FF, I would have to ask what was wrong with it if I saw it at $4.99!"

[New England Gamer]

Doesn't anybody want to comment on my "MADLIBS" comparison found at the bottom of page 17. Social conditioning is directly responsible for the belief's of the opposition. When you alter just a few words and apply it to something a little more complex/important, the significance and true meaning of the message is revealed.


See? All you are doing is trying to pick a fight and you repost to fuel the fire. If you look back at posts you made, the only times you make an appearance around here is to whine about how much something costs, or accusing people of being fanboys, etc. First Call of Duty, now this.

If this is not the definition of troll I am not sure what is.

My sons response to FF being less than $14.99, "It' FF, I would have to ask what was wrong with it if I saw it at $4.99!"

The first teen to finally understand.

[Sxethang]

See? All you are doing is trying to pick a fight and you repost to fuel the fire. If you look back at posts you made, the only times you make an appearance around here is to whine about how much something costs, or accusing people of being fanboys, etc. First Call of Duty, now this.

If this is not the definition of troll I am not sure what is.



The first teen to finally understand.

That's what I said, and that comes from a 15 year old...without a 4.0 GPA.

[New England Gamer]

That's what I said, and that comes from a 15 year old...without a 4.0 GPA.
Oh my goodness - roflmao!!!!

[natedogg213]

*******HAHAHA !!! Lets play "MADLIBS" with your current statement here.

starting at GET OVER IT!>FF3

Get over it. GOVERNMENT is an amazing SERVICE and the price mirrors the quality. Greedy? I don't think so. If anything, they are asking a little too little for their SERVICE. Everyone has gotten so used to the idea of TAXES being super cheap, yet they want HELPFUL HONEST GOVERNMENT, but don't wanna pay HELPFUL HONEST price. The TAXES are PROFITABLE for ELITES and it's about damn time we start seeing HIGHER TAX prices. You get what you pay for. Do some research before you PAY the TAXES, or wait till you are all 18 and then apply for your own LOAN. Stop bitching is you are using your parent's IGNORANCE to INDOCTRINATE YOURSELF INTO STUPIDITY. Jesus #Fact: It ain't your moneh!

I'm no conspiracy theorist, but I thought that replacing a few key words might inspire you to re-evaluate the message you were trying to relay. Funny huh.!!!

You noted that nobody commented on this. I'll give it a shot since you seem so proud of it, but it's abstract because I am not sure when you intend it to be sarcastic or not because I don't know your political affiliation.

Get over it. GOVERNMENT is an amazing SERVICE and the price mirrors the quality. First off, government isn't a service, it provides services and the level of quality varies. Medicare treats people well, federal workers get nice benefits, etc. -

Greedy? I don't think so. If anything, they are asking a little too little for their SERVICE. It is true that government is asking too little from taxpayersl! One of the reasons we have awful budget deficits is because tax rates are so low. But the greedy part doesn't really apply, it's more just pols being stupid!

Everyone has gotten so used to the idea of TAXES being super cheap, yet they want HELPFUL HONEST GOVERNMENT, but don't wanna pay HELPFUL HONEST price. First part is true, but I don't understand the correlation to "helpful, honest government" and the last part is just a reiteration of the first.

The TAXES are PROFITABLE for ELITES and it's about damn time we start seeing HIGHER TAX prices. I'd say "beneficial" since taxes don't result in profit, but are what is taxed. So because elites (businesses, rich people) are being benefited, there should be higher tax rates? I would agree with that. But aren't you being sarcastic?


You get what you pay for. Do some research before you PAY the TAXES, or wait till you are all 18 and then apply for your own LOAN. This doesn't make much sense at all.

Stop bitching is you are using your parent's IGNORANCE to INDOCTRINATE YOURSELF INTO STUPIDITY. Jesus #Fact: It ain't your moneh!
This doesn't make much sense at all either.

In conclusion, I don't know what to think of your mad lib, it seems creative but just doesn't make much sense.

[natedogg213]

In conclusion game development costs nothing and all games should be free.

u mad?

Wow, I feel stupid just for typing that!

[Sxethang]

u mad?

Wow, I feel stupid just for typing that!

I think he was being sarcastic.

[natedogg213]

I think he was being sarcastic.

I know, I just wanted to play his lil' game too :)

[weehoo]

First off I'm not the one complaining about a $14.99 price tag you twit. Maybe your "ivy league" grades aren't enough to understand everyday living.

Edit: and just because you edited your post doesn't mean I didn't quote it! :p

BTW: What exactly is my gene-pool, because you've made perfectly clear what yours is.

I edited the comment because it was distasteful.
Do not get confused between an attack and a retaliation. If you go back and read every post from page 7 until now, you will see how this conversation heated up. Don't just read the last page and complain.

I am fighting for fair app-pricing and how companies collude to create set-pricing. Now that AT&T is buying T-mobile, you don't think that there will be even more set-pricing and collusion between Sprint, Verizon and AT&T.

This is reality: if Square Enix gets away with this and it becomes very profitable, EA and Gameloft will do the same. Sounds good, except you will now pay $14.99 for new games that would have otherwise been $6.99 and with the same incremental increases in graphics. You are not understanding the point. Just because price goes up, doesn't mean quality will go up. Quality will always improve at a constant rate depending on the hardware. High prices spark developer interest, not increase artistic quality. Developers are always trying to maximize the use of new CPU/GPU's despite low app-store pricing. It's called competition.

Why so much hate for making sense. Nobody has seriously challenged this other than responding with child-like remarks. Then interestingly enough, I'm accused of instigating the situation instead of retaliating the derogatory opposition. Truth is always met with denial, then violent opposition, and when thought through clearly, finally realized and accepted. Don't hate someone for disapproving fiscal increases in what is arguably the greatest digital store in the world and the best value for your buck.

I've heard that I'm arrogant and self-righteous. However, if you actually ponder on what that really means, my intentions are humble, to keep the app store fair and reasonable. Developers want more more more money. The app store is like a grocery store, the gold rush is and was over a long time ago.

[weehoo]

You noted that nobody commented on this. I'll give it a shot since you seem so proud of it, but it's abstract because I am not sure when you intend it to be sarcastic or not because I don't know your political affiliation.

Get over it. GOVERNMENT is an amazing SERVICE and the price mirrors the quality. First off, government isn't a service, it provides services and the level of quality varies. Medicare treats people well, federal workers get nice benefits, etc. -

Greedy? I don't think so. If anything, they are asking a little too little for their SERVICE. It is true that government is asking too little from taxpayersl! One of the reasons we have awful budget deficits is because tax rates are so low. But the greedy part doesn't really apply, it's more just pols being stupid!

Everyone has gotten so used to the idea of TAXES being super cheap, yet they want HELPFUL HONEST GOVERNMENT, but don't wanna pay HELPFUL HONEST price. First part is true, but I don't understand the correlation to "helpful, honest government" and the last part is just a reiteration of the first.

The TAXES are PROFITABLE for ELITES and it's about damn time we start seeing HIGHER TAX prices. I'd say "beneficial" since taxes don't result in profit, but are what is taxed. So because elites (businesses, rich people) are being benefited, there should be higher tax rates? I would agree with that. But aren't you being sarcastic?


You get what you pay for. Do some research before you PAY the TAXES, or wait till you are all 18 and then apply for your own LOAN. This doesn't make much sense at all.

Stop bitching is you are using your parent's IGNORANCE to INDOCTRINATE YOURSELF INTO STUPIDITY. Jesus #Fact: It ain't your moneh!
This doesn't make much sense at all either.

In conclusion, I don't know what to think of your mad lib, it seems creative but just doesn't make much sense.

Government is the subject. (FF3)
Service (game) is what the Government provides.

It was meant to show the sinister undertones and the subconscious intentions of the original statement. You can sometimes interpret the legitimacy of legal/business contracts when altering key words.

A lot of people think we should pay twice the amount of money, for the current games coming out. They believe that if they charge us more, then they'll pour more quality into the development. They don't understand that the rate of development is strictly hindered by the hardware's ability, and believe that if we pay more for 20-year old ports, then they'll pull some miracle, high budget games out of their all-knowing, all-wise arse. This is a fallacy that certain individuals can't overcome, and will certainly defend with intelligently-deprived responses, as well as obscure accusations of the message I'm trying to relay.

[Eli]

I think video game pricing should adhere to the gold standard.

[Sxethang]

I edited the comment because it was distasteful.
Do not get confused between an attack and a retaliation. If you go back and read every post from page 7 until now, you will see how this conversation heated up. Don't just read the last page and complain.

I am fighting for fair app-pricing and how companies collude to create set-pricing. Now that AT&T is buying T-mobile, you don't think that there will be even more set-pricing and collusion between Sprint, Verizon and AT&T.

This is reality: if Square Enix gets away with this and it becomes very profitable, EA and Gameloft will do the same. Sounds good, except you will now pay $14.99 for new games that would have otherwise been $6.99 and with the same incremental increases in graphics. You are not understanding the point. Just because price goes up, doesn't mean quality will go up. Quality will always improve at a constant rate depending on the hardware. High prices spark developer interest, not increase artistic quality. Developers are always trying to maximize the use of new CPU/GPU's despite low app-store pricing. It's called competition.

Why so much hate for making sense. Nobody has seriously challenged this other than responding with child-like remarks. Then interestingly enough, I'm accused of instigating the situation instead of retaliating the derogatory opposition. Truth is always met with denial, then violent opposition, and when thought through clearly, finally realized and accepted. Don't hate someone for disapproving fiscal increases in what is arguably the greatest digital store in the world and the best value for your buck.

I've heard that I'm arrogant and self-righteous. However, if you actually ponder on what that really means, my intentions are humble, to keep the app store fair and reasonable. Developers want more more more money. The app store is like a grocery store, the gold rush is and was over a long time ago.


No one is going to debate with you. There is no sense in beating a dead horse!

[weehoo]

That's what I said, and that comes from a 15 year old...without a 4.0 GPA.

Wow, words of wisdom. I think you've now reached 12 whole sentences on Touch Arcade this year. They were even complete sentences. You sure do talk a big game Mr., but you haven't written anything worth reading in your entire life. I bet the professor had to send you back to English -001 (ESL).

BTW:

This is not an aggressive exchange of words from my end, but a retaliation to your extraordinarily wise comment.

[New England Gamer]

Why so much hate for making sense. Nobody has seriously challenged this other than responding with child-like remarks. Then interestingly enough, I'm accused of instigating the situation instead of retaliating the derogatory opposition. Truth is always met with denial, then violent opposition, and when thought through clearly, finally realized and accepted. Don't hate someone for disapproving fiscal increases in what is arguably the greatest digital store in the world and the best value for your buck.

I've heard that I'm arrogant and self-righteous. However, if you actually ponder on what that really means, my intentions are humble, to keep the app store fair and reasonable. Developers want more more more money. The app store is like a grocery store, the gold rush is and was over a long time ago.

Well no hate from me, just confusion at your comments of belligerence and pointed personal attacks; as well as anger that no one is refuting your "points." I see the price as fair and reasonable. I do not see any greed on the part of the developer. If you do not like the price no one is strong arming you into buying it. That is the bottom line really - you can't afford it so you don't want anyone else to either.

There is room on the app store for both free fart apps AND Square Enix games even if they go to 20 dollars+ believe it or not. It is a fair market and you can choose to purchase the game or not. Up to you.

Act like the honor student you supposedly are and understand that not everything needs justification. Everyone is entitled to their opinion just because it is an opinion.

[New England Gamer]

Wow, words of wisdom. I think you've now reached 12 whole sentences on Touch Arcade this year. They were even complete sentences. You sure do talk a big game Mr., but you haven't written anything worth reading in your entire life. I bet the professor had to send you back to English -001 (ESL).

BTW:

This is not an aggressive exchange of words from my end, but a retaliation to your extraordinarily wise comment.
And you edited your last comment because it was in bad taste??? Wow.

[yemi]

Well why doesnt anyone come with so numbers to argue thier point. I see alot of we believe this and we believe that with absolutly nothing to back it up.
Developers for Enix make around $40,000 - $70,000 a year based on title and exp. Everyone who has done any research or is a developer knows what is the industry standard. You prove to me that I made up these numbers.
Lets just talk indie developers because some people cant stand large numbers.
A average indie developer takes 2-3 months to develop a game. So in that time span who is going to pay his rent , utilities, phone bills.
Lets say his rent is $500 a month and his gas ,electric,phone bills,etc are also $500 a month. Plus he consumes lets say $200 dollars a month on food. Iam taking the lowest cost not the highest.
So 1 month = $1,200 total which is very low.
Now it takes him 3 months to design , code , test, draw graphics, his game.
So total for 3 month is $3,600 dollars. Now the developer has to re-coop all that money and pay for his next development cycle.So at 99 cents how many apps does he have to sell in order to break even with his 1st development cycle? Factor in the price is 99 cents and apple takes 30% plus he has to pay taxes.
Lets say he sells 10,000 copies. 30% goes to apple now which is minus $3,000. Now he has $7,000 dollars. Another 30% which is $1,400 gone. He now has $5,600 left , now take out the bills which is $3,600 and he has left over now $2,000 . For his next development cycle he now has to rush the app because he didnt make enough money to support his last development cycle. That leads to crap in the appstore. Had he been able to charge more, he would have more money for his next development cycle to make a better app. And this is the type of person you call greedy , then you are a moron.

[Sxethang]

Wow, words of wisdom. I think you've now reached 12 whole sentences on Touch Arcade this year. They were even complete sentences. You sure do talk a big game Mr., but you haven't written anything worth reading in your entire life. I bet the professor had to send you back to English -001 (ESL).

BTW:

This is not an aggressive exchange of words from my end, but a retaliation to your extraordinarily wise comment.

First off you spoiled little sh*t. I'm not the one that people are getting frustrated with. It is your holier than thou attitude that people are upset at. And you can try to justify why the price should be lowered all you want, it doesn't mean it's going to change anything. It's no ones fault that you don't get enough allowance money to be able to afford some of the better games. Get a fu*ken clue already and quit speaking.

BTW...For someone that is so smart, you sure are dumb. Just looking at my profile you would know that I'm a women, but you don't learn common sense at school. 4.0 GPA or no 4.0 GPA, you are the most ignorant person I've ever come across!

[crex]

Oh my god! :eek: This debate is still going on!?

[weehoo]

No one is going to debate with you. There is no sense in beating a dead horse!

No, no, you've made your point by belittling mine.

I understand. You want to pay more for iOS games without the justification for the increase in price, not because you're stupid, but because you want to win the argument by just having the last word. I'm not trying to start a fight, just prove me wrong, not with " your 15 " , but with relevant correlations and analogies that create intelligent discussion and thought. If an intelligent discussion about marketing (not gaming) pisses you off the same way telling a Democrat that Obama lied pisses them off, then understand that all the opposition is more concerned with "WHO's" right rather than "WHAT's" right.

I have been nothing but purely analytical about this topic, and have even expressed-- in long freaking detail-- my views so that they would not be interpreted incorrectly by individuals with poor reading comprehension. But once again I have only received intelligent, yet biased responses by maybe only 2 people. All other responses have been purely critical of me, not "WHAT" i'm actually saying.

It is very interesting to be confronted by someone that adds nothing to the discussion other than side-line criticisms equivalent to that of an Obese, reckless, drunk yelling at Kobe Bryant how shitty he is at defense. It gives these commenters a sense of importance in what is otherwise a useless existence.

[backtothis]

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This is reality: if Square Enix gets away with this and it becomes very profitable, EA and Gameloft will do the same. Sounds good, except you will now pay $14.99 for new games that would have otherwise been $6.99 and with the same incremental increases in graphics. You are not understanding the point. Just because price goes up, doesn't mean quality will go up. Quality will always improve at a constant rate depending on the hardware. High prices spark developer interest, not increase artistic quality. Developers are always trying to maximize the use of new CPU/GPU's despite low app-store pricing. It's called competition.


I don't want to continue the discussion or the hate going on, but I'll post one more time here for the sake of it. I'm not offering anything new, but just going to reflect on what people are saying and your response.

I told you yesterday that we should wait and see how the game did before coming to any conclusions. The game is currently at number 23, and still climbing the charts. It's number 4 under top grossing. This would lead me to believe that people are willing to pay the $15.99 without complaints for a game of such caliber. What's more is that the game's success isn't fueled primarily by nostalgic gamers. If you take time to read through some of the comments, you'll see that most of the buyers are playing their first Final Fantasy game..people know quality when they see it. Yes it's ancient now in the gaming world, but does that really affect what should be charged? The game uses new technology, fresh lines of coding, and plenty of work to port over to the iOS. It's a great makeover if you've played it.

Your next point..see here's what we don't really know...you can assume Gameloft and EA will follow suit with prices that are much higher than they are now, but you don't know that. No one does. What I do know though, is that people aren't asking for higher prices for the heck of it, but in hopes of attracting the big name companies from other consoles over to the iOS with their "AAA" titles. The theory that this will be successful is just like your theory of EA and Gameloft..hard to say.

Your next point..about developers and profit. Do you really think the reason why well-known gaming corporations haven't ported over their games is because they can't due to hardware limitations? The thing is, the quality of iOS games can increase at an exponential rates if proven companies would find some reason to come over to this platform. What kind of reason? Money, undoubtedly. If Blizzard truly saw the iOS as a place where they could sell, lets say, even the FIRST Diablo game for $19.99 successfully, they'd get to work right away. That's what we're arguing for. That's what many, many gamers want. You know very well that the iOS is looked down upon due to the limited number of what people consider "console quality" games. That's because the people making these games aren't here. I appreciate indie developers as much as the next guy and shell out the money to buy every new worthwhile game they offer, but face it, they don't have the resources. They just don't. They don't have access to the graphics engines we're all dying to see on the iOS, and they don't have the manpower to code, design, and market new games at a rate that anyone could even call slow.

We're not trying to make it harder on people with limited budgets to spend on entertainment. We're just hoping for the best for a platform that's really grown on us. At the very least, we don't need to fight the free market. The suppliers base everything off of demand, price being at the top of the list. If people truly find that prices grow too high, they would stop buying the games with these prices. Just let it play out.

Haha, either way, I hope you took the time to read that through weehoo. I don't want to assert that I'm right, but it's just my belief based on being a very observing customer since the AppStore began and a strong economic background. Thanks for not flaming me in your response to this post.

[weehoo]

First off you spoiled little sh*t. I'm not the one that people are getting frustrated with. It is your holier than thou attitude that people are upset at. And you can try to justify why the price should be lowered all you want, it doesn't mean it's going to change anything. It's no ones fault that you don't get enough allowance money to be able to afford some of the better games. Get a fu*ken clue already and quit speaking.

BTW...For someone that is so smart, you sure are dumb. Just looking at my profile you would know that I'm a women, but you don't learn common sense at school. 4.0 GPA or no 4.0 GPA, you are the most ignorant person I've ever come across!

How ironic that somebody calls me stupid while inferring that they are not a singular existence. You are a WOMAN not a WOMEN.

My girlfriend is very smart and I give much credit to the accomplishments that women have achieved. However, it has always occurred to me that women do not use common sense in their arguments. This theory is supported strictly by the stereo-types that comedians, TV, movies, magazines and scientific peer-reviewed articles display about the subject. If you do not want to be generalized, leave the emotion at home and bring forth your opinion on marketing, not my apparently, arrogant mouth.

[Sxethang]

Wow, I guess I don't have your GPA to understand right. It's a misspelling...big deal. Now QFT.

Last question and I'll leave the thread. How old are you woohee or weehoo?

[weehoo]

u mad?

Wow, I feel stupid just for typing that!

Not free, but not set for premium gaming. You can make an honest living being a "good" developer. If you think that raising the prices means raising your standard of living, you're in for a big surprise. Apple lowered the cost of all their devices/computers, and now (according to Forbes) are the largest profitable company in the world next to Exxon/Mobile.

I'm also surprised that people think I'm soooo cheap. That's ultimately hilarious if you only knew me.

In college we are taught to observe and analyze any fluctuation in a market with the utmost scrutiny. What we want to believe and what is real are very different. I informed people of the start of something potentially ominous (like USA national health care bill), and received the typical response I learned a long time ago in sociology; denial and disbelief by ignorance. Yeah i know people took various sociology classes, and (C-) their way through it. Don't be recalcitrant because you don't like me.

********** I feel like Ron Paul, protecting the integrity of the app-store and pointing out a potential threat, while the people who will benefit from my view and reasoning blatantly attack me without understanding the full implications of their actions. **********

[Sxethang]

Not free, but not set for premium gaming. You can make an honest living being a "good" developer. If you think that raising the prices means raising your standard of living, you're in for a big surprise. Apple lowered the cost of all their devices/computers, and now (according to Forbes) are the largest profitable company in the world next to Exxon/Mobile.

I'm also surprised that people think I'm soooo cheap. That's ultimately hilarious if you only knew me.

In college we are taught to observe and analyze any fluctuation in a market with the utmost scrutiny. What we want to believe and what is real are very different. I informed people of the start of something potentially ominous (like USA national health care bill), and received the typical response I learned a long time ago in sociology; denial and disbelief by ignorance. Yeah i know people took various sociology classes, and (C-) their way through it. Don't be recalcitrant because you don't like me.

********** I feel like Ron Paul, protecting the integrity of the app-store and pointing out a potential threat, while the people who will benefit from my view and reasoning blatantly attack me without understanding the full implications of their actions. **********

Okay enlighten us.
1. What big games have you made yourself for the App Store?
2. What did you do as far as pricing to make customers happy?
3. What actions are you currently taking to ensure the App store prices remain reasonable?

[weehoo]

Wow, I guess I don't have your GPA to understand right. It's a misspelling...big deal. Now QFT.

Last question and I'll leave the thread. How old are you woohee or weehoo?

It's not the GPA that will help. It's your willingness to learn. You won't learn. You will continue to have an opinion based on knowing nothing.

-------"Those who do not read, will base their decisions, arguments, and beliefs on what they "KNEW", not what is "KNOWN."---------

This debate was here before you were. Please don't jump in. As I said before, if you don't provide any substance to the argument, then just observe.

[DusT_HounD]

I this a joke thread?

Come on guys- fess up and stop messing with us; whose alt is Weehoo anyway? Nobody can actually be that much of a self-righteous d-bag, can they?

Anyway- it certainly seems that FFIII is doing well, sales-wise, doesn't it? The existence of triple-A titles on the app store is definitely a good sign of its growing acceptance amongst high-profile developers. It's funny, though- a lot of people are long-term fans of Square Enix games, and even amongst the real hardcore, they still acknowledge the 'Square Enix tax', whereby S-E games DO tend to cost more than those of other companies. IS it corporate greed? Who knows, but there is definitely a significant audience willing to put the cash down on their games.

[weehoo]

Okay enlighten us.
1. What big games have you made yourself for the App Store?
2. What did you do as far as pricing to make customers happy?
3. What actions are you currently taking to ensure the App store prices remain reasonable?

That's like asking a voter to not care about taxes because:

"What policies have you written?"
"What votes did you get?"
"What programs are you creating to help people?"

What they're "REALLY SAYING"-----more money more money more money. ---------Stop listening to 50cnt and start listening to Mozart.

That's the job of the developer, not the customer. There always needs to be a check/balances for anything. That includes gaming markets.

[backtothis]

You're going to respond to my post right? Haha.

All due respect btw.

[Sxethang]

It's not the GPA that will help. It's your willingness to learn. You won't learn. You will continue to have an opinion based on knowing nothing.

-------"Those who do not read, will base their decisions, arguments, and beliefs on what they "KNEW", not what is "KNOWN."---------

This debate was here before you were. Please don't jump in. As I said before, if you don't provide any substance to the argument, then just observe.

So what's your excuse for still being here? You don't provide substance, just an understanding that apparently no one agrees with. I'm happy you got a college education. Good for you. Unfortunately you lack experience. It's just sad when you see kids that come from some "ivy league" thinking that just cause they have education, then they have it made.

While people may understand what you're saying, (and yes we do understand, we are not as stupid as you think) we don't, or I don't agree with your way of thinking. Here in America we are able to have an opinion. I don't know where you get off? Just cause someone doesn't want to "debate" with you, it doesn't mean that we can't offer a valuable argument. It just means that their is no use arguing with you. Hence...beat a dead horse!

And I don't have to observe just because you don't like me here. I don't like you here...and yet here you are!

[Sxethang]

That's like asking a voter to not care about taxes because:

"What policies have you written?"
"What votes did you get?"
"What programs are you creating to help people?"

What they're "REALLY SAYING"-----more money more money more money. ---------Stop listening to 50 Cent and start listening to Mozart.

That's the job of the developer, not the customer. There always needs to be a check/balances for anything. That includes gaming markets.

WTF does 50 Cent have to do with anything? See what I didn't do, correct your spelling...what am I saying...yes I did. Cent would be a name...which means what? Yes proper names start with a Capital!

[DusT_HounD]

Guys- don't antagonise him; he'll only get mad...

[Sxethang]

Guys- don't antagonise him; he'll only get mad...

We can hope, can't we?

[New England Gamer]

It's not the GPA that will help. It's your willingness to learn. You won't learn. You will continue to have an opinion based on knowing nothing.

-------"Those who do not read, will base their decisions, arguments, and beliefs on what they "KNEW", not what is "KNOWN."---------

This debate was here before you were. Please don't jump in. As I said before, if you don't provide any substance to the argument, then just observe.
Gonna say it again - it is an open forum, anyone can comment whenever they want. Threads have been resurrected from the dead months after anyone posted just because someone had an opinion. Who are you to choose who can and can't argue in this thread?

And not only are you anti-American, now we can add sexist to the list too. Women can't do this, women can't do that, women won't learn, women are emotional, women can't spell. Coming from someone who still didn't admit misspelling your for you're.

Surely you were not raised to be respectful to adults (add: I see no respect from you to anyone actually). I feel sorry for your parents.

[LKR]

Allow me to interject:

http://geekonfilm.files.wordpress.com/2009/09/nicolas-cage-hair-is-a-bird.jpg

[yemi]

Also to factor in much larger companies face much larger cost just to operate. 99 cents in nothing when you include tax and apples cut developers barely get half. You guys see a few millionares and assume developers are rich. What you guys need to do is look at the overall picture. There are always high quality and low quality. Higher quality materials cost more then low quality materials. Most developers are poor trying to live a normal lifestyle. Yes there are greedy developers , but thats the exception not the rule. Most developers could make longer , deeper games if they had thier bills payed for longer periods of time.

[weehoo]

WTF does 50 Cent have to do with anything? See what I didn't do, correct your spelling...what am I saying...yes I did. Cent would be a name...which means what? Yes proper names start with a Capital!

It was a reference to the influence of desiring unattainable amounts of money. You realize that this thread is a debate about iOS marketing right. All you have to do is read. Did you think this was the doodle jump thread?

[crex]

Stop the fighting already! Geezus! With the 50 cent and womens rights and the GPA and mozart and the random bablling. Just close this thread already before it gets out of hand.

[walsh06]

Signs of a troll
1) boasting
2) use of large unnecessary words
3) correcting spelling

And I agree....... U MAD.

[yemi]

Well why doesnt anyone come with so numbers to argue thier point. I see alot of we believe this and we believe that with absolutly nothing to back it up.
Developers for Enix make around $40,000 - $70,000 a year based on title and exp. Everyone who has done any research or is a developer knows what is the industry standard. You prove to me that I made up these numbers.
Lets just talk indie developers because some people cant stand large numbers.
A average indie developer takes 2-3 months to develop a game. So in that time span who is going to pay his rent , utilities, phone bills.
Lets say his rent is $500 a month and his gas ,electric,phone bills,etc are also $500 a month. Plus he consumes lets say $200 dollars a month on food. Iam taking the lowest cost not the highest.
So 1 month = $1,200 total which is very low.
Now it takes him 3 months to design , code , test, draw graphics, his game.
So total for 3 month is $3,600 dollars. Now the developer has to re-coop all that money and pay for his next development cycle.So at 99 cents how many apps does he have to sell in order to break even with his 1st development cycle? Factor in the price is 99 cents and apple takes 30% plus he has to pay taxes.
Lets say he sells 10,000 copies. 30% goes to apple now which is minus $3,000. Now he has $7,000 dollars. Another 30% which is $1,400 gone. He now has $5,600 left , now take out the bills which is $3,600 and he has left over now $2,000 . For his next development cycle he now has to rush the app because he didnt make enough money to support his last development cycle. That leads to crap in the appstore. Had he been able to charge more, he would have more money for his next development cycle to make a better app. And this is the type of person you call greedy , then you are a moron.

I still want you to show me how this developer is greedy if he rasied the price to lets say $2.99 instead of 99 cents. If he had a higher price maybe he can spend a longer time developing and make a better product. Iam talking about quality growth with price growth ....not price growth by itself.

[backtothis]

Poop.

I don't want to continue the discussion or the hate going on, but I'll post one more time here for the sake of it. I'm not offering anything new, but just going to reflect on what people are saying and your response.

I told you yesterday that we should wait and see how the game did before coming to any conclusions. The game is currently at number 23, and still climbing the charts. It's number 4 under top grossing. This would lead me to believe that people are willing to pay the $15.99 without complaints for a game of such caliber. What's more is that the game's success isn't fueled primarily by nostalgic gamers. If you take time to read through some of the comments, you'll see that most of the buyers are playing their first Final Fantasy game..people know quality when they see it. Yes it's ancient now in the gaming world, but does that really affect what should be charged? The game uses new technology, fresh lines of coding, and plenty of work to port over to the iOS. It's a great makeover if you've played it.

Your next point..see here's what we don't really know...you can assume Gameloft and EA will follow suit with prices that are much higher than they are now, but you don't know that. No one does. What I do know though, is that people aren't asking for higher prices for the heck of it, but in hopes of attracting the big name companies from other consoles over to the iOS with their "AAA" titles. The theory that this will be successful is just like your theory of EA and Gameloft..hard to say.

Your next point..about developers and profit. Do you really think the reason why well-known gaming corporations haven't ported over their games is because they can't due to hardware limitations? The thing is, the quality of iOS games can increase at an exponential rates if proven companies would find some reason to come over to this platform. What kind of reason? Money, undoubtedly. If Blizzard truly saw the iOS as a place where they could sell, lets say, even the FIRST Diablo game for $19.99 successfully, they'd get to work right away. That's what we're arguing for. That's what many, many gamers want. You know very well that the iOS is looked down upon due to the limited number of what people consider "console quality" games. That's because the people making these games aren't here. I appreciate indie developers as much as the next guy and shell out the money to buy every new worthwhile game they offer, but face it, they don't have the resources. They just don't. They don't have access to the graphics engines we're all dying to see on the iOS, and they don't have the manpower to code, design, and market new games at a rate that anyone could even call slow.

We're not trying to make it harder on people with limited budgets to spend on entertainment. We're just hoping for the best for a platform that's really grown on us. At the very least, we don't need to fight the free market. The suppliers base everything off of demand, price being at the top of the list. If people truly find that prices grow too high, they would stop buying the games with these prices. Just let it play out.

Haha, either way, I hope you took the time to read that through weehoo. I don't want to assert that I'm right, but it's just my belief based on being a very observing customer since the AppStore began and a strong economic background. Thanks for not flaming me in your response to this post.

[c0re]

http://benergy.free.fr/pics/mad.jpg

(still)

[Herosoft Ltd]

I told you yesterday that we should wait and see how the game did before coming to any conclusions. The game is currently at number 23, and still climbing the charts. It's number 4 under top grossing. This would lead me to believe that people are willing to pay the $15.99 without complaints for a game of such caliber.

Uh, that's not waiting and seeing. Final Fantasy has a fanbase millions-strong, and we all know that fanboys will obediently lap up pretty much anything on day one no matter what the price. (Hell, people queued up overnight for the PS3.) It would have been astonishing if such a massive IP didn't climb high in the charts in the first week. In fact, the price is so stupefyingly high compared to anything else that it's fairly incredible it's not already the top-grossing No.1.

Get back to us with those chart positions this time next month and we'll have some vaguely useful data on how well the market will withstand extraordinary pricing.

[weehoo]

I don't want to continue the discussion or the hate going on, but I'll post one more time here for the sake of it. I'm not offering anything new, but just going to reflect on what people are saying and your response.

I told you yesterday that we should wait and see how the game did before coming to any conclusions. The game is currently at number 23, and still climbing the charts. It's number 4 under top grossing. This would lead me to believe that people are willing to pay the $15.99 without complaints for a game of such caliber. What's more is that the game's success isn't fueled primarily by nostalgic gamers. If you take time to read through some of the comments, you'll see that most of the buyers are playing their first Final Fantasy game..people know quality when they see it. Yes it's ancient now in the gaming world, but does that really affect what should be charged? The game uses new technology, fresh lines of coding, and plenty of work to port over to the iOS. It's a great makeover if you've played it.

Your next point..see here's what we don't really know...you can assume Gameloft and EA will follow suit with prices that are much higher than they are now, but you don't know that. No one does. What I do know though, is that people aren't asking for higher prices for the heck of it, but in hopes of attracting the big name companies from other consoles over to the iOS with their "AAA" titles. The theory that this will be successful is just like your theory of EA and Gameloft..hard to say.

Your next point..about developers and profit. Do you really think the reason why well-known gaming corporations haven't ported over their games is because they can't due to hardware limitations? The thing is, the quality of iOS games can increase at an exponential rates if proven companies would find some reason to come over to this platform. What kind of reason? Money, undoubtedly. If Blizzard truly saw the iOS as a place where they could sell, lets say, even the FIRST Diablo game for $19.99 successfully, they'd get to work right away. That's what we're arguing for. That's what many, many gamers want. You know very well that the iOS is looked down upon due to the limited number of what people consider "console quality" games. That's because the people making these games aren't here. I appreciate indie developers as much as the next guy and shell out the money to buy every new worthwhile game they offer, but face it, they don't have the resources. They just don't. They don't have access to the graphics engines we're all dying to see on the iOS, and they don't have the manpower to code, design, and market new games at a rate that anyone could even call slow.

We're not trying to make it harder on people with limited budgets to spend on entertainment. We're just hoping for the best for a platform that's really grown on us. At the very least, we don't need to fight the free market. The suppliers base everything off of demand, price being at the top of the list. If people truly find that prices grow too high, they would stop buying the games with these prices. Just let it play out.

Haha, either way, I hope you took the time to read that through weehoo. I don't want to assert that I'm right, but it's just my belief based on being a very observing customer since the AppStore began and a strong economic background. Thanks for not flaming me in your response to this post.

Finally, someone that can argue/debate their point of view with civility. Most don't realize that I only hit, when hit first.

I agree with letting the market play out. Just realize that with every impulse-buy (especially at highway-robbery-prices) that people give into, you are psychologically accepting the complacency that develops as a result of it. This is why 1-litre of petrol in the U.K. costs nearly $8.00 USD, and from the news, it seems that U.S. gas prices are becoming the norm at $4.00/gallon. Who's complaining? People in less-developed countries know when they're getting screwed and riot. Apparently the most powerful country in the world willingly accepts without debate over the implications of such a move, even if it is a very minute change.

History of the Stock Market shows us that any little fluctuation can topple or challenge the status-quo creating devastating results. Think of it like politics. They are always trying to implement some law or policy that greatly benefits a few select, and most people don't pay attention to them. When this happens, everything goes up. They are experimenting with your response and what can/can't be gotten away with. If people want to be involved in the experiment that will only negatively impact the beauty of the app store, they are free to, I never argued with that.

Most will see the singular event of a $16 app that they've always wanted on their iphone, without realizing the severity of the psychological impact this may have on other corporate interests that have, or will have, a heavy influence on the progression of app-store pricing.

I respect that you took the time to respond intelligently and with clarification, other than responding with I am a self-righteous (people, explain that one please), arrogant (confident), prick that wants developers to suffer. I appreciate all perspectives when they are presented with "reason" in mind and the more you make sense, the more haters (not necessarily opposers) will jump on the bandwagon. It's easy to write a quick insult than it is to present your info well, and those who can't play that game? Won't. I have insulted a few members but only after presenting my case. Most responses have been pretty lame and childish, while insinuating that critical analysis is the action of a 12 year old.

Thank you

[Herosoft Ltd]

If Blizzard truly saw the iOS as a place where they could sell, lets say, even the FIRST Diablo game for $19.99 successfully, they'd get to work right away. That's what we're arguing for. That's what many, many gamers want.

Bear in mind, however, that many, many gamers - almost certainly the large majority of the iOS audience, going by what sells - want games like Diablo and other "grown-up" titles on their iPhone about as much as they want stomach cancer.

I, for example, currently spend about $400 a year on iOS games. Were the App Store to become full of the likes of Diablo and Final Fantasy at $15-20 a pop the amount I spend would almost certainly decrease. To zero.

Teenagers are loud. It doesn't necessarily make them important.

[weehoo]

sorry for the Caps

PEOPLE, PLEASE READ THE THREAD TOPIC

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"AN IN-DEPTH ANALYSIS OF IOS GAME PRICING BY TOUCHARCADE TOP ECONOMIC EXPERTS."
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STOP TELLING ME "NOT" TO DEBATE, WHEN THE VERY ESSENCE OF THIS THREAD IS A DEBATE.

OR PLEASE MASTER-DEBATE IN A BORING THREAD.

[weehoo]

I still want you to show me how this developer is greedy if he rasied the price to lets say $2.99 instead of 99 cents. If he had a higher price maybe he can spend a longer time developing and make a better product. Iam talking about quality growth with price growth ....not price growth by itself.

1. Nobody said the creative/artistic industry was a sure-fire-success. Do I have to give money to mediocre musicians so they can get enough money to write a real song. If you want investors, get investors and realize the difference between investors and CUSTOMERS.

2. I COMPLETELY agree with you about quality growth with price growth. If people had read my original complaint, they would have seen that I completely agree with this model. Hence, my defense of COD:Zombies. FF3 is a 20-year old game people. This is not quality growth with price growth. On the contrary, it is quite the opposite with a degradation in quality and an increase in price.

3. The few that I argued with (including the idiots that jumped in without reading all the posts in the thread) were debating that it should have been higher prices 3 years ago, as well as others saying that they just want to pay more for their games because they see the value, so everyone must pay relative to their perceived value.

Personally I like the app-store pricing and have over 500 iOS games, that I rarely play. Do you think I, or anyone would collect that many games, or developers have their games even exposed if they weren't -- what some in this thread say -- "too cheap." Believe me, if games start becoming $20, I'll be extremely selective in my purchases, and who is that going to hurt? The Big developers? Not likely. It is the underdogs that will be shoved out. Unlike consoles, iOS graphics become out-dated in less than a year.

[backtothis]

Bear in mind, however, that many, many gamers - almost certainly the large majority of the iOS audience, going by what sells - want games like Diablo and other "grown-up" titles on their iPhone about as much as they want stomach cancer.

I, for example, currently spend about $400 a year on iOS games. Were the App Store to become full of the likes of Diablo and Final Fantasy at $15-20 a pop the amount I spend would almost certainly decrease. To zero.

Teenagers are loud. It doesn't necessarily make them important.

But don't you think the AppStore could survive with half and half? There would be plenty of casual games around at $0.99-$2.99 even if we see an increase in bigger developers. Like you said, many buyers look for pick up and play games on the iOS, and this will assure that these games will still do well and fill a good portion of the top charts.

I know this thread might be pretty familiar for you. It's quite similar to the the other one in that the arguments are based mainly on speculation. But the thing is, you're only specutlating as well. I know the precedence reflects that AppStore buyers prefer lower priced games, but you've never seen companies truly try to push the price point up. How do we know that this won't attract the bigger developers from othe consoles, which could fill the charts with quality titles like Dead Space and Real Racing 2. We're not even asking for new games. We're asking for familar titles that have already left their mark in the gamin world. That's why they would have a good chance in successful sales; everyone already knows what they are and their quality. This is where higher quality original iOS titles fail. This might be the start..that's all we have in this argument, just a little bit of hope.

Sure, many gamers want to stick to other consoles for the kind of games I mentioned, but honestly, through my experiences in life and here on TA, that's generally not the case. Like I said before, we don't know what will happen.

You're right that it's too early to judge the success of FF3, but I still don't think the fan base is where the sales are coming from. Just remember the die-hard fans of the series usually are playing other platforms and might not own any kind of iDevice. Also, even if they did, quite a big percentage of the sales from them would be lost due to them having already owned the game on other platforms. The main FF3 thread here reflects this sentiment with double-dipping.

Let's wait and see.

I'm hardly a teenager. I'd be considered your equal in any courtroom in the United States, an adult. Sorry for any typos since I'm on my iPod currently.

[weehoo]

Signs of a troll
1) boasting
2) use of large unnecessary words
3) correcting spelling

And I agree....... U MAD.

Signs of a Troll's troll.

1. always making up new guidelines for troll discovery.

2. Not capable of using large "necessary" words (reasons for always misunderstanding everything) *The ignorant are always mad at what they can't comprehend. Why do you think stupid people hate school?*

3. Not capable of correcting spelling and stealing Hodapp's "one-liner"

Bonus Sign**************

4. One who is incapable of creating a funny response and shutters at the fact that he/she is out-witted at every corner, enabling the Troll's troll to respond with tactless insults while they project his/her actions on the other.

Seriously, the "signs of a troll" thing has been done to death. If you love spending money so much, just purchase yourself some originality. Or keep stealing other commenters quotes as if they're your own.

BTW: I'm not mad. I just have a sympathetic contempt for complacency and stupidity.

[Herosoft Ltd]

But don't you think the AppStore could survive with half and half? There would be plenty of casual games around at $0.99-$2.99 even if we see an increase in bigger developers.

Maybe, but the problem with $20 games is that every one that's sold is $20 out of the market. That's 20 sales lost at 99c, and those sales are what make the 99c games viable and spread the money around so that all the creative talent doesn't get driven away.

Of course, it could be the case that the buyers of the expensive games would be new customers and the people currently buying cheap games would keep doing so, but my experience of the games industry suggests otherwise. Expensive AAA titles squeeze out budget-priced games by hoovering up all the available cash.

I know this thread might be pretty familiar for you. It's quite similar to the the other one in that the arguments are based mainly on speculation. But the thing is, you're only specutlating as well.

Certainly, but on the basis of a lot of first-hand historical knowledge and a lot of study of app pricing.

How do we know that this won't attract the bigger developers from othe consoles, which could fill the charts with quality titles like Dead Space and Real Racing 2.

The prospect of more games as boring as Real Racing 2 is precisely what frightens me.

I'm hardly a teenager. I'd be considered your equal in any courtroom in the United States, an adult. Sorry for any typos since I'm on my iPod currently.

That wasn't a reference to you, but to the way the mob mentality on threads like this almost always tilts massively in favour of more expensive games - a view that doesn't tend to translate to the market as a whole, because most people who play iOS games don't frequent gaming forums, so forum threads present a very skewed picture of what iOS gamers want.

[weehoo]

Hey, Mr. 4.0:

The word you wanted there was "shudders."

Glad I could help.

Hey Mr. "nothing .0" GPA, how insignificant of an insult. You need to practice more.

Here is an explanation that your smooth, undeveloped brain can comprehend.
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*iPhone predictive text.

*Not really my fault as I had typed "Shutter Island" from a google search previously before and it is the default word now when typing "shu." I think I do pretty good for iOS typing.

*If you use that thing in your head called a brain more often, these issues wouldn't arise in an "In-depth analysis of iOS game pricing" thread.

I know what you're doing. I guess someone's got to throw a vegetable. Even if the accused never caused harm to the thrower. "Ah, look at the Peon who wanted to join in the fun by showing how stupid he is." How noble.

[natedogg213]

Not free, but not set for premium gaming. You can make an honest living being a "good" developer. If you think that raising the prices means raising your standard of living, you're in for a big surprise. Apple lowered the cost of all their devices/computers, and now (according to Forbes) are the largest profitable company in the world next to Exxon/Mobile.

I'm also surprised that people think I'm soooo cheap. That's ultimately hilarious if you only knew me.

In college we are taught to observe and analyze any fluctuation in a market with the utmost scrutiny. What we want to believe and what is real are very different. I informed people of the start of something potentially ominous (like USA national health care bill), and received the typical response I learned a long time ago in sociology; denial and disbelief by ignorance. Yeah i know people took various sociology classes, and (C-) their way through it. Don't be recalcitrant because you don't like me.

********** I feel like Ron Paul, protecting the integrity of the app-store and pointing out a potential threat, while the people who will benefit from my view and reasoning blatantly attack me without understanding the full implications of their actions. **********

Uh, Why did you quote me?

[weehoo]

Uh, Why did you quote me?

It might have been an accident. I'm on my iphone and the screen is small and cluttered, especially when typing. That was meant for Hodapp. sorry

[Paradiso]

The real question is, why do people use big words to try and make themselves seem smarter and or more reliable? This is an Internet forum about video games, not a dissertation of economics.

Also, I don't like that idevices auto capitalize the word Internet, and auto change idevices to "advices".

[weehoo]

My formal apology to whomever i've offended.

I have com off as arrogant and I apologize for that.

These are the simple points i'm trying to convey in the simplest format I can.

1. I believe that Fan-boys should buy a product that appeals to them at any price, if they're willing. I would if "Kino der Toten" came out for $15. However, at least that would be something new that was specifically designed from the ground-up for ios. FF3 is 20 years old.

2. Paying more and getting more is definitely a perfect model to follow. Ask yourself this? Did you really get better content for a higher price? Or old content (not optimized) at an experimental price?

3. I don't want developers to be broke. I could spend a year writing a song, and if that song doesn't get noticed, despite all my efforts, it doesn't get noticed. Maybe write a catchier song. This demand for higher pricing (and should have been from the beginning) attitude is ridiculous. The $5-$10 premium is great. It certainly inspired me to be a compulsive spender. At $15 to $20, not really, and I know others did agree with me on that (in spite of some forum members saying nobody agreed with me).

4. If big developers make $20 ios games (not $20 quality, just $20 price), and small developers make $5 ios games, who is that really going to hurt? The gap in quality between corporate/garage developers will be enormous. Everyone will be selective with the BIG games and probably rarely buy the garage games. It'll be the same $0.99 solution to increase sales. No matter what, like it or not, the home-developer is screwed at the $0.99 to $2.99 range with a few exceptions.

5. Don't let the "Big" D's try to interrupt the flow of good pricing. There is a thing called collusion, and it happens very frequently in business. If major developers start colluding about setting prices and getting away with it, all gamers will suffer. I'm not implying that this is going on, but it certainly starts by one company trying to get away with price-increasing. ex., text messages were unlimited for $0.99 back in 2004. Now it's $20. How freaking lame is that. They tested the market, and people actually increased their cell-phone bill by their own will. It's called being complacent (zombie).

I don't understand the opposition and most of the vegetable throwers haven't explained why they do either.

I'm done. There is obviously no more debate in this debate-related thread. I've given in. I want to pay more for iOS gaming now.

[backtothis]

I've given in. I want to pay more for iOS gaming now.

Lol, what the hell? :confused:

[yemi]

The end !!!!

[Rixx]

http://www.yellott.com/stop_that.jpg

[Xapped]

It was about time that someone brought back the reasonable pricing to the AppStore.
I like to see more AAA titles on my iDevices. And they still are only 1/2 or 1/3 of the price of DS and PSP games.

I think if you compare it fairly, the top iphone games would be a A or AA game at the most. However there are some games that are designed just for the iphone platform.

[Isilel]

Maybe, but the problem with $20 games is that every one that's sold is $20 out of the market. That's 20 sales lost at 99c, and those sales are what make the 99c games viable and spread the money around so that all the creative talent doesn't get driven away.

Alternatively, people who want this kind of experience will be just driven away from iOS and spend their money elsewhere, so lack of more traditional games is hardly a win for indies.

And what about indies who'd like to make deep, complicated games in a niche genre? Games that won't light the charts on fire no matter the price, but which could bring some return if they could be sold for more than a buck?

Also, the affordable prices of indies will be even more noticeable if there are more expensive games. Isn't it the secret of Steam's success with indies?

As to Gameloft and EA, well, IMHO their games aren't worth the "new" prices as it is, for the most part, and don't measure against the best handheld stuff content-wise at all. If they try to jack up prices, well, I am sure the customers will show them their place quite promptly.

[Arktar]

FF3 is 20 years old.



You do know it's not the original FF3, but a 3D remake of it right? They actually weren't lazy like with FF1 and FF2, they added more functions and upgraded the graphics from the DS game to make FF3. You sound like you think they just porting the NES version over.

[weehoo]

You do know it's not the original FF3, but a 3D remake of it right? They actually weren't lazy like with FF1 and FF2, they added more functions and upgraded the graphics from the DS game to make FF3. You sound like you think they just porting the NES version over.

It is a remake of a remake. Rockstar IMO is a bigger player in what is considered quality. They kept GTA, which conveniently brought the best of both psp and DS versions, at $9.99. I admire the decision, which I'm sure was based on $$$$$ market research.

FF3 was $40 on the DS how long ago?

Battlefield bad company 2 is a little more than 1 year old. When released, the current retail was $60. It is now $30 brand new. I want to clearly point out where I'm going with this but it tends to upset "veggie throwers." I will just let you ponder on that. Try to analyze this from multiple perspectives.

Thank you.

[weehoo]

The real question is, why do people use big words to try and make themselves seem smarter and or more reliable? This is an Internet forum about video games, not a dissertation of economics.

Also, I don't like that idevices auto capitalize the word Internet, and auto change idevices to "advices".

You should really read the topic of the thread before posting a comment.
Just so you don't seem foolish. That's equivalent to entering a math class and wondering why they're talking numbers.

[Isilel]

Rockstar IMO is a bigger player in what is considered quality. They kept GTA, which conveniently brought the best of both psp and DS versions, at $9.99.

It bombed on both the the DS and the PsP and it is an inferior version to PsP - it lacks some sound effects and has much worse controls.
Also, if they were content with their profits on iOS , wouldn't we have gotten ports of other PsP GTAs by now, hm?

[Herosoft Ltd]

Alternatively, people who want this kind of experience will be just driven away from iOS and spend their money elsewhere, so lack of more traditional games is hardly a win for indies.

By definition it's not a loss either. But I'm not convinced that those people are in the market for iOS games in the first place, other than the noisy but small minority found in places like this.

One other thing that nobody ever mentions when they're bemoaning the lack of mainstream console-type games: they're bloody huge. Rage HD takes up something like 1.5GB, which is about a quarter of the entire available memory on an 8GB device. I'm not at all sure that many iOS owners want to be able to only have four games on their machine at a time (or even eight or 16), especially as if you delete one to make space you lose all your progress.

[SkyMuffin]

i can't believe this thread is still going.

[yemi]

i can't believe this thread is still going.

This thread will go to the end of this year. Its going to be more epic than the Is Canabalt worth $2.99 . The only thing I dont like is people forcing opinions when its not even close to the facts , which is just plain stupid.
Honestly most iphone/ipod gamers are casual 99 cents a game buyers. Then you have the converts from DS and PSP looking for bargins and dont mind playing $8-$12 for a console like port.
The arguement that Enix $16 game is going to raise future prices is ridiculous. Casual games will always be 99 cents because thats what indie developers choose. The market will never reach the point where doodle jump type games will sell for $8 . Nobody would buy it. So the arguement is pretty pointless and is based on absolutely no facts.

[walsh06]

Not using big words =/= to not understanding.

And I'm sorry but this guy just compared what is happening in Libya, Bahrain, Tunisia, Egypt, Iran with a final fantasy game costing $16. Are you kidding me. Get some perspective you arrogant prick.

[weehoo]

i can't believe this thread is still going.

Wow, you have a gift for recognizing the obvious.

I can't believe that you keep coming back to it. Pretty ironic don't you think. Did you come back to check if there "wasn't" anything going on.


You as a hubby:

"hey honey, lets go to Staples Center and see if there's nothing going on, and if there is something, we'll act surprised."

[SkyMuffin]

^

he (still) mad

[Eli]

I have to admit I'm enjoying the clear division of people who get what this thread is and people who don't.

(Hint: If you've written a 2,000 word diatribe, you don't.)

[New England Gamer]

I have to admit I'm enjoying the clear division of people who get what this thread is and people who don't.

(Hint: If you've written a 2,000 word diatribe, you don't.)
Dang it - you weren't supposed to give any clues!

[weehoo]

Not using big words =/= to not understanding.

And I'm sorry but this guy just compared what is happening in Libya, Bahrain, Tunisia, Egypt, Iran with a final fantasy game costing $16. Are you kidding me. Get some perspective you arrogant prick.

3 Steps on how to respond in a forum: please state-------------------

1. Who you are responding to?

2. The reason for believing the multi-national sentence you created
(you didn't support your statement)

3. Refrain from derogatory remarks, and please use descriptive words that fit the definition. Arrogant is a little vague. Please state why you have accused whomever of being so. Also remember that any verbal attack on this site will be welcomed by hostile retaliation in the same manner.

******Following these simple 1-2-3 steps will improve your reading/writing/comprehensive skills. Also, just FYI ---The English Language has more than 170,000 words in current use today. I believe that they were to be used in communication, not to be ignored and personally hated by those that don't bother to learn them. I've never in my life seen anyone with common sense that has disdain for using more than the basic 200 words you learn in ESL. Remember that the quality of the statement directly reflects upon your intelligence. Remember to stay on topic and try to learn that an alternative perspective is not necessarily "No" perspective. ********

I'm really trying hard not to be arrogant, but rather offer constructive criticism which should never be taken as an insult. However, by reviewing your pompous statement and lack of any substance or reasoning to authenticate your claim, I bet we'll be hearing some more gibberish from you fairly soon.

[backtothis]

I have to admit I'm enjoying the clear division of people who get what this thread is and people who don't.

(Hint: If you've written a 2,000 word diatribe, you don't.)

You can be a little on both sides like me xP.

[weehoo]

I have to admit I'm enjoying the clear division of people who get what this thread is and people who don't.

(Hint: If you've written a 2,000 word diatribe, you don't.)


Please Mr. calm and slow. Describe to me what is your version of

"AN IN-DEPTH ANALYSIS OF IOS GAME PRICING BY TOUCHARCADE TOP ECONOMIC EXPERTS"

Even better, please show me just 1, of the many posts by Hodapp that actually touches on this subject. I can't even find one. It is obvious that you and others in special education believe that this thread is not to provide AN IN-DEPTH ANALYSIS OF IOS GAME PRICING BY TOUCHARCADE TOP ECONOMIC EXPERTS. Rather it is a place where people that do provide their analysis are told they are misinterpreting the thread and it's better to leave one-liners like "u mad."

The very essence of this thread is to do just that. "An in-depth analysis"
What do you think it means, and if you are tired of the discussion continuing, why are you here?

You're that weirdo that goes to strip-club just to tell everyone that you're tired of coming back, and you can't believe there's still strippers stripping.

[weehoo]

This thread will go to the end of this year. Its going to be more epic than the Is Canabalt worth $2.99 . The only thing I dont like is people forcing opinions when its not even close to the facts , which is just plain stupid.
Honestly most iphone/ipod gamers are casual 99 cents a game buyers. Then you have the converts from DS and PSP looking for bargins and dont mind playing $8-$12 for a console like port.
The arguement that Enix $16 game is going to raise future prices is ridiculous. Casual games will always be 99 cents because thats what indie developers choose. The market will never reach the point where doodle jump type games will sell for $8 . Nobody would buy it. So the arguement is pretty pointless and is based on absolutely no facts.

If you read thoroughly instead of skimming, you will see examples. Everyone here has an opinion, but nobody is offering:

---AN ANALYSIS--------

[Eli]

You're that weirdo that goes to strip-club just to tell everyone that you're tired of coming back, and you can't believe there's still strippers stripping.

THE JIG IS UP.

kjfkljhdsljkhdlskhagkag

[New England Gamer]

That is classic. All time best post on TA. Clearly someone unclear of the concept.

I take back my comment Hodapp - great way to keep the laughs coming.

[thumbs07]

I think it's easy logic. You think it's an alright price you fork out, you don't- then you wait till it gets down to a price you do think is reasonable.

[Paradiso]

You should really read the topic of the thread before posting a comment.
Just so you don't seem foolish. That's equivalent to entering a math class and wondering why they're talking numbers.

Pity me.

http://i.imgur.com/hOdBZ.jpg

[New England Gamer]

Lol @ thread title change!

[Osujxu]

haha wtev people are arguing about in this forum, just get over it and move on

[weehoo]

NEW TITLE FOR THREAD**********


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GIVE YOUR OPINION ON THE ONE GUY THAT ACTUALLY WROTE AN ANALYSIS OF IOS GAME PRICING. --oh and be sure to not support your statements but just talk shit.
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PLEASE CHECK THE DEBATE FROM PAGE ONE. IF YOU LOOK AT THE WHOLE PICTURE, YOU WILL SEE THAT I NEVER STARTED THIS DEBATE. I ACTUALLY AGREED WITH SOME OTHERS AND REVEALED A PERSPECTIVE THAT WAS A LITTLE MORE "IN-DEPTH" THAN THE TYPICAL RANTS OF FANBOYISM.

IS MY VIEW REALLY THAT WRONG? TO ASSUME THAT COMPANIES COLLUDE AND EXPERIMENT WITH "YOUR BREAKING POINT." AND THAT IOS GAMING SHOULD STAY AT THE PREMIUM PRICE POINT IT IS ALREADY AT. I'M WRONG TO POINT OUT SQUARE ENIX'S TRIAL PRICE ADJUST IS SLOWLY BUT STEADILY INCREASING FOR LESS QUALITY THAN CHAOS RINGS. when your cell-phone bill is a direct relation to that implication.

It is clearly apparent that the only reasons a few useful idiots around here are not just disagreeing with me, but seemingly have an intense apathy towards me instead of my analysis. This is why i'm constantly rebutted with "your 15" as opposed to "your analysis is flawed and let me debate the flaws with you."

WHO IS THE OPPOSITION

1. They are developers, and like musicians, want more without justification

2. Just your typical bandwagon hoppers, not reading or touching up on any of the subject, but wanting to throw vegetables just for kicks. HITLER referred to them as "useful idiots" as they saw no real benefit from the Nazi party but willingly joined in the persecution of others, just to fit in.

3. Thread hoppers that really can't find anything interesting on the other threads. Check them, they're as boring as Hodapp's only comment, "u mad".

This is actually a good topic. Tell people what your perspective is on this new $16 BS. I'm not trying to sound nationalistic, but seriously, are all yanks home-schooled/public school. The serious lack of critical thinking/writing is definitely building an unwanted stereotype of American gamers. I always believed gamers to be intellectuals, but a few on here are really at a loss for words, which obviously reflects a loss of brains.

[weehoo]

Woot! More free laughs!

Just a few hours ago, we were treated to this:



Well, I guess that sentiment is over and done with, huh? Time to go back to being a self-righteous blowhard, it looks like.

You keep on fightin' that good fight, WuWu. Don't let The Man keep you down!

Well, you have to agree that you're always feeling a need to check back. Who's duping who? And who just can't keep away?

[Eli]

NEW TITLE FOR THREAD**********


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GIVE YOUR OPINION ON THE ONE GUY THAT ACTUALLY WROTE AN ANALYSIS OF IOS GAME PRICING. --oh and be sure to not support your statements but just talk shit.
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Sounds good.

[weehoo]

Sounds good.

Thank you, now you can actually justify your famous quote:

"u mad"

[New England Gamer]

Well, you have to agree that you're always feeling a need to check back. Who's duping who? And who just can't keep away?
Well duh - the thread is like a train wreck - you can't help NOT check it out to see what bits of wisdom are shared!

[weehoo]

WuWu, I don't want to stay away, bro! I love this thread.

Free entertainment of this caliber is extremely hard to come by in these trying days ...

I won nearly every argument in debate class, but at least it was easy to bring subjective theories/ideas and have the rest of the class participate and comprehend. This forum is like trying to teach Calculus to a frog. Everyone always critically analyzed every aspect of the debate in college. Here, nobody actually brings up the topic, but rather "who" is discussing the topic.

It has now become a war of "WHO", not "WHAT" and unfortunately for you yanks, this seems to be the solution to everything. How many presidents do you elect that directly put it in your arse, yet you prepare for the next spin of BS because you like his face. How complacent have American students become that instead of critically thinking about the subject and offering an alternative, they are just critical with justifications that a middle-school child suffering from attention deficit disorder can relate to. Think I'm wrong? 3rd world countries get taught better than you. Why do you think your jobs are leaving? They're smarter and they'll do it for cheap. Who's really self-entitled?

Keep in mind that when you do not self reflect, and your principles become guidelines not to live by, but to judge others with, you will define the very essence of hypocrisy. Of course for the few that like to throw veggies, with every empty comment and insult you reply with, you just unwittingly validate my point even further.

What would happen if I stopped this thread. You will be left with the mundane and sleep-inducing responses by some really dense minds.

[c0re]

****, I'm laughing all alone in the bus now, looking at this thread on my phone.

[weehoo]

WuWu, I don't want to stay away, bro! I love this thread.

Free entertainment of this caliber is extremely hard to come by in these trying days ...

I'm glad you understand the true nature of my intentions.

There has to be a hook/grab that enables the reader to really pour forth a typical emotional response. It is my belief that when these three are balanced, it inspires people to challenge themselves and think outside the box. Problem is, not everyone responds with reason/explanation/emotion. They respond with emotional hostility/sarcasm. If you respond back with equal hostility in retaliation, you now become the instigator, and the original instigator gets a "You didn't really start this" FREE CARD. This is truly the ideology of stupidity. But please, prove me right and say something American. KKKKKKeeping it RRRRReal ....... Yeah really dumb.

[weehoo]

Five minutes ago, I downloaded the IGF's Mobile Game of the Year (http://www.igf.com/02finalists.html) for 99 cents.

99 cents! Those bastards wanted almost a dollar for all the hours of enjoyment I'll be receiving!

So, yeah, clearly there is collusion between all the publishers to rob us all blind. The next thing you know, the greedy bastards will have the gall to charge $1.99 or something. Or, you know, have a massive sale (http://forums.toucharcade.com/showthread.php?t=88526) on all their titles.

I'm just glad we have conspiracy theorists ... um, whoops, I mean "brilliant economists" ... like WuWu to warn us all away from these evils.

Really quick question. How much do you pay for unlimited texts?

6 years ago, it was $1.00. How much is it now? You want to know why? Because 1 cellular company decided to experiment with raising a price for a little while. Then the other 3 big guys saw the potential profit. Next thing you know, an incremental increase for text plans that didn't seem threatening at first, but kept rising steadily every year started to become normalcy.

It is also wise to use comparisons that are relative to each other.
$0.99 is "16x" less than $16.00

Let me give you an example of your drug-infested mind:
I'll play MADLIBS with your statement to show its sinister undertones.

"Those bastards wanted $2.00 USD/gallon of gas a while back for my hours of driving entertainment. The next thing you know, the greedy bastards will want $4.00 USD/gallon of gas or you know, lower the price by a few cents to create an illusion of saving. I'm just glad we have complacent idiots that defend the schlong of ignorance being shoved into their own anal cavity, and by their own will.

[Paradiso]

Really quick question. How much do you pay for unlimited texts?

6 years ago, it was $1.00. How much is it now? You want to know why? Because 1 cellular company decided to experiment with raising a price for a little while. Then the other 3 big guys saw the potential profit. Next thing you know, an incremental increase for text plans that didn't seem threatening at first, but kept rising steadily every year started to become normalcy.

It is also wise to use comparisons that are relative to each other.
$0.99 is "16x" less than $16.00

Let me give you an example of your drug-infested mind:
I'll play MADLIBS with your statement to show its sinister undertones.

"Those bastards wanted $2.00 USD/gallon of gas a while back for my hours of driving entertainment. The next thing you know, the greedy bastards will want $4.00 USD/gallon of gas or you know, lower the price by a few cents to create an illusion of saving. I'm just glad we have complacent idiots that defend the schlong of ignorance being shoved into their own anal cavity, and by their own will.

Maybe you don't get it. This thread is a joke, the whole thing. No one is taking it seriously cause it doesn't matter. This is where price posts come to die. You're just making people laugh at you. You're not ahead anymore, but quit anyways.

[weehoo]

Maybe you don't get it. This thread is a joke, the whole thing. No one is taking it seriously cause it doesn't matter. This is where price posts come to die. You're just making people laugh at you. You're not ahead anymore, but quit anyways.

Who says I'm not joking? I thought we were. British dry humor against American ___________? whatever it's called. The difference? Intelligence.

[Eli]

Who says I'm not joking? I thought we were. British dry humor against American ___________? whatever it's called. The difference? Intelligence.

The only joke is how much time you've invested in this thread instead of doing ANYTHING else which would have been substantially more worthwhile and productive.

[iphoneprogrammer]

*******HAHAHA !!! Lets play "MADLIBS" with your current statement here.

starting at GET OVER IT!>FF3

Get over it. GOVERNMENT is an amazing SERVICE and the price mirrors the quality. Greedy? I don't think so. If anything, they are asking a little too little for their SERVICE. Everyone has gotten so used to the idea of TAXES being super cheap, yet they want HELPFUL HONEST GOVERNMENT, but don't wanna pay HELPFUL HONEST price. The TAXES are PROFITABLE for ELITES and it's about damn time we start seeing HIGHER TAX prices. You get what you pay for. Do some research before you PAY the TAXES, or wait till you are all 18 and then apply for your own LOAN. Stop bitching is you are using your parent's IGNORANCE to INDOCTRINATE YOURSELF INTO STUPIDITY. Jesus #Fact: It ain't your moneh!

I'm no conspiracy theorist, but I thought that replacing a few key words might inspire you to re-evaluate the message you were trying to relay. Funny huh.!!!

Who the hell thinks taxes are super cheap? Do you live on Earth? Or some other planet where taxes are equivalent in price to store brand 2 liters of soda.

[yemi]

If you read thoroughly instead of skimming, you will see examples. Everyone here has an opinion, but nobody is offering:

---AN ANALYSIS--------

I read thoughghly and I have given 2 ANALYSIS where you have just been chatting and fighting. I even quoted myself 2 twice , but you want to lead arguements and fighting instead of number crunching. Plus you never respond when I break down numbers , which further proves you just want to argue.
I love this thread , do you know the reason Hodapp redirected whiners here like you ? He brought whiners like you here to give Himself and the staff a break from having to look through every post and erase comments from people like you.
See I can tell when Iam talking to a regular person and a sick individual . I used to work in the hospital and I seen mental patients. They allowed the normal functioning mental patients "privilages" for behaving like TV and computer use. So I see you have been a good-boy , until you hop on the computer and rant.
The only question I have is what did you do to get yourself admitted?

[weehoo]

Just as a heads-up, WuWu, you should understand that that is not the exact title of the thread.

Look closely.

And revel in the humor.

It was changed a long time ago. I know this. You know this. You know that I know that you know this.

So, what now?

[ImNoSuperMan]

Just a reminder, Joke thread or not, this thread is not exempt from forum rules. So unless you can argue without attacking other members and hurling insults at them, dont bother posting.

[c0re]

Weehoo, stop acting like you're friendly, or like you've planned it all, when 5 to 10 pages ago you were trying so hard to be creative in your insults.

Just quit, you're done, that's all.


edit : ImNoSuperMan beat me to it :-)

[qasim]

I'm tired of this attitude. People need to stop complaining about prices. No one really complains about the price of $50 PSP games.

However, I think the reason games like Final Fantasy are only $16 on the iPod Touch/iPhone and not $40 like on the DS is because they don't need to pay for discs + covers + manual books.

Anyways, there's no need to complain. It's because of the complaining and greedy buyers that developers like Activision are done with developing App Store games.

If you want the game, pay the price. If you don't want to pay as much as $16... then don't buy it.... it's not rocket science.

[natedogg213]

Weehoo, stop acting like you're friendly, or like you've planned it all, when 5 to 10 pages ago you were trying so hard to be creative in your insults.

Just quit, you're done, that's all.


edit : ImNoSuperMan beat me to it :-)


[THIS HAS BEEN EDITED SO IT DOES NOT VIOLATE ARCADE RULES, ACCORDING TO I AM NO SUPERMAN]

This guy has made a lot of you appear very uninformed . Aside from this thread getting personal, he made a clear, coherent point that if people will pay $16 for a game, developers will continue to raise the bar. I feel like a broken record already but if you want to waste $16 for nostalgic purposes, I really do understand that. If Final Fantasy 6 for SNES (FF3 in the U.S.) was on the iphone for $16, I'd have to show major restraint. But if I did bought it, I'd understand that I paid an unprecedented amount of money for a game that has been ported endlessly and that I could play on a freaking emulator on my Android. I would have been ripped off, and I'd be pissed that I was a sucker.

I already listed the top iOS games that cost $10 or less and that are undoubtedly superior and more expensive to develop. Surprisingly, nobody seemed to ponder: "why did Infinity Blade, GTA:CTW, Real Racing 2, Modern Combat 2, Tilt to Live, SFIV cost less than a port of an average FF port!?"

And Yemi, I already discredited your number crunching, so please pay a bit more attention.

You all call this guy out for spending tons of time on here ranting. That may be true, but look in the mirror you hypocrites. You spend countless hours on these forums as well. I Am No Superman, you are on here all the time!! At least he is attempting to stay on point. You have been reading through this thread, but you just aren't capable of refuting his points or contributing anything. If you were the good guys that you claim to be, leave the thread and don't come back! But you like the drama!!

I'm not just trying to defend the guy. His bragging and holier-than-thou attitude is started to grind on me, but it's hard not to fall into that trap when trying to have a conversation with people devoid of logic or common sense.

In conclusion, you can shut down this thread or rename it to try to discredit the guy, but you are the ones who have turned this into a circus.

[DusT_HounD]

Yeah, i also don't necessarily think that this paves the way for devs to outrageously increase prices either. Didn't happen when GTA came out at a high price, nor did it happen when Chaos Rings launched at another high price point. 99c games are still commonplace, and price drops still go on.

I don't want to pay the required 16 bucks for FFIII, therefore i won't buy it. And ooh look! Gameloft are having a 0.99 sale! They sure boosted their prices in the wake of that new $16 premium price point, didn't they! Oh no wait...

[EDIT] @natedogg213: oops, sorry- your post came in whilst i was posting- my general sarcastic tone was not being directed at you!

[c0re]

So what do you think of the pricing of FF3?

As I wrote 10 pages ago : imho it was about time for giant studios to raise their price to DS / PSP bar. Additionnally : because it will, at last, attract other giant studios (which didn't want to take the risk to produce an AAA game for 5 dollars).

:-)

[natedogg213]

As I wrote 10 pages ago : imho it was about time for giant studios to raise their price to DS / PSP bar. Additionnally : because it will, at last, attract other giant studios (which didn't want to take the risk to produce an AAA game for 5 dollars).

:-)

But what giant studios aren't in the iOS scene other than Microsoft (competitive reasons) and perhaps Activision? If studios see profit potential they will enter the market, no doubt. Touch games should not cost what DS/PSP are because of many reasons: physical product, meaning production and distribution costs not present on iOS. Further, a lot of the pricing is (sad to say) based on precedent. Think of all the DS and PSP games you can get for $5-10 now when they were originally released for $30-40. Evidence of this is in the PSN store. You can get games such as Angry birds and other games originally made for the iOS for very cheap.

Also, there is not much risk for big game developers to enter the market. Why Blizzard hasn't joined, I truly don't know. But just the allure of the App Store's reach to millions, the iphone/touch/pad gaming market is just beginning.

Back to my point. To charge $16, $4 more than I have ever paid for a single game (Chaos Rings), there has to be justification of why. Is it novel? No. Did it cost a lot to make? Probably not. Square Enix is saying "we know there are people that will buy this for $16, so we release it at that price and when those sales dry up, we drop it down to $10. There are just so many better iOS games out there for SO much cheaper. Rovio is making millions off a $1 app and off of advertising on the Android. Yesterday I read about a free game with IAP that had made 750k. The studio - 3 guys!

[natedogg213]

One minor problem: there is no actual evidence that this is the case. None whatsoever. Zero.

(A second problem: his point was neither "clear," nor "coherent." It was continually buried under long-winded rants, personal attacks, vicious anti-American raving, and grotesque attempts at "humor").

If you've got some evidence, feel free to provide it. That would put you a step ahead of WuWu, that's for certain.

If anything, the App Store, overall, is an even bigger bargain now than it was when it opened. Developers and publishers have been forced to race to the bottom of the pricing scale, not the top. There's some amazing games (and non-gaming apps, of course) available for 99 cents, $1.99, and $2.99.

And even for mid-range titles — for the sake of argument, say $3.99 to $6.99 — are easily attainable for a fraction of that cost by using just a little patience. Check the AppShopper history for virtually any mid-range title and you're likely to see that it has gone on sale (perhaps even down to 99 cents) a number of times. The App Store is very much a buyer's market. To think otherwise is to ignore the overwhelming evidence that stares you in the face every time you open it.

FF3 might or might not be a success at the price offered; the publishers might or might not have to adjust the price down the road. But it really doesn't matter in terms of overall App Store pricing. Casual games will continue to sell for 99 cents, mid-range titles will continue to bounce back and forth between $2.99 and $4.99, and premium releases will still try a $9.99 price point.

Sure, every so often, an "elite" franchise might try for $12.99 or $15.99 or whatever, but those releases will represent less than one-tenth of one percent of the titles available. The market will dictate their success or failure on an individual basis. To claim that that will somehow affect the other 99.9 percent of the titles in the App Store — the overwhelming majority of which are geared toward a casual audience — is patently absurd.

I completely understood his point and am not going to interpret it for you. You can start back over if you'd like but I'd rather focus on my views. You don't need to explain that the App Store is a buyer's market. That is not in question and I am well aware of that. Otherwise I wouldn't have 400+ games on my ipod touch 3 & 4. That is what makes Square-Enix's price point so absurd. I own so many damn games that I have a good understanding of what is generally priced where. This game should be from $6-$10. Square Enix acts as if it is the Blizzard or Valve of iOS gaming, when really it is a fledgling company. It's FF series is tired, Kane & Lynch 2 was one of its best hits from last year...c'mon.... So for them to be the ones trying to push the boundaries of the app store market on a ported game w/revised graphics sure raises my eyebrow.

[Arktar]

But what giant studios aren't in the iOS scene other than Microsoft (competitive reasons) and perhaps Activision? If studios see profit potential they will enter the market, no doubt. Touch games should not cost what DS/PSP are because of many reasons: physical product, meaning production and distribution costs not present on iOS. Further, a lot of the pricing is (sad to say) based on precedent. Think of all the DS and PSP games you can get for $5-10 now when they were originally released for $30-40. Evidence of this is in the PSN store. You can get games such as Angry birds and other games originally made for the iOS for very cheap.

Also, there is not much risk for big game developers to enter the market. Why Blizzard hasn't joined, I truly don't know. But just the allure of the App Store's reach to millions, the iphone/touch/pad gaming market is just beginning.

Back to my point. To charge $16, $4 more than I have ever paid for a single game (Chaos Rings), there has to be justification of why. Is it novel? No. Did it cost a lot to make? Probably not. Square Enix is saying "we know there are people that will buy this for $16, so we release it at that price and when those sales dry up, we drop it down to $10. There are just so many better iOS games out there for SO much cheaper. Rovio is making millions off a $1 app and off of advertising on the Android. Yesterday I read about a free game with IAP that had made 750k. The studio - 3 guys!

Yes there are quite a few giant corporations in the appstore, but they don't take it as serious as making a game for the PSP or Nintendo DS. Check out Capcom with Nintendo's 3DS port of Street Fighter IV. Now take a look at the iPhone port. Yeah, I know maybe the graphics of a iPhone can't do that, but just look at how many functions they put into the 3DS version. Activision already do treat the iPhone as a joke, want others to come along and realize too?
(Compare CoD Zombies with the DS port of MW2 and you'll see the difference)
If Square Enix can earn a decent amount of money, we'd be able to get ports of maybe Dissidia but instead we're getting Tower Defense and Voice fighting crap out of them most of the time.

What's so bad about having social apps and more 'console'-like apps at the same time?

[c0re]

But what giant studios aren't in the iOS scene other than Microsoft (competitive reasons) and perhaps Activision? If studios see profit potential they will enter the market, no doubt. Touch games should not cost what DS/PSP are because of many reasons: physical product, meaning production and distribution costs not present on iOS. Further, a lot of the pricing is (sad to say) based on precedent. Think of all the DS and PSP games you can get for $5-10 now when they were originally released for $30-40. Evidence of this is in the PSN store. You can get games such as Angry birds and other games originally made for the iOS for very cheap.

Also, there is not much risk for big game developers to enter the market. Why Blizzard hasn't joined, I truly don't know. But just the allure of the App Store's reach to millions, the iphone/touch/pad gaming market is just beginning.


(Yes, in this way you are right, I should have been more clear on what I call "giant studios". In fact I was litterrally referring to game studios, not publishers)


From my standpoint, every game changing console hits these last years didn't come from franchises (aka. Microsoft, Activision, etc). They came from smaller studios who developped a prototype from a fresh concept, and used that prototype to be funded by big publishers.

The problem encountered with the appstore, is that it's so crowded, and so quickly renewing that you will never be able to really guess a game's success, before launch. Therefore, investors will never be assured of a secured investment.

Imagine yourself having an awesome AAA concept, with an astonishing prototype to present to a publisher. How can you prove to him that investing 2 million dollars for your team will not be wiped out 10 days before release by yet another series of one-minute awesome games ?

It's easy to understand this argument attempt by just looking at "iPhone & iPod games" section of TA : As soon as a big, big hit is announced, there is already a river of other potential gems flowing on top of its thread list.

On top of that, that crowdiness makes gamers hesitant about buying a product, even if hyped to the max, because either their purse is emptied by the river of potential gems, either they keep the last buck for last month's hit going on sale.

In short : it's too few reward for too much risk, in big cashmen's eyes. And I can understand ! Look, you have 2 millions in bank. You want to spend them in skyrocketting an unknown great game idea to the top of the charts.

Studio A brings you an outstanding concept for the appstore. Game will be sold 5$.
Studio B brings you an very good concept for the XBox. Game will be sold 70$.

Now considering all the risks mentionned above, and considering that on XBox your game would have its own box, its own place in Gamestops, and its own 2 pages long tests on every magazine/e-zine of the world : do you really want to fund studio A ? :-)

Yeah some will, because they like handheld gaming, or see potential in their franchise's market penetration (for Chair Entertainment that was to promote Unreal Engine 3 mobile, ID Software their new ID5).

But all the rest, aka a wide bunch of studios/investors/publishers, won't take off their cosy console position.

That's why I think raising the price to higher [decent] grounds will act like a bait to these.
Additionnally, it will also purge the market from "garage" games, like Nintendo call it (half baked games full of bugs), because they will be unsalable at a higher price.

To conclude : I'm not advocating a blind price raise. I'm just convinced that inserting more AAA games with higher prices will produce a high contrast between minute games and true AAA games. And therefore attract more AAA games producers.

And that is what Square Enix wanted to do, legitimately : bait for a more sane market. "People don't understand ? Ok let's put it down to 10$, nevermind."

Sidenote : all the opinion above may not be perfectly formed, as english is not my mother tongue. So please look for the main ideas, more than specific details :-)


Back to my point. To charge $16, $4 more than I have ever paid for a single game (Chaos Rings), there has to be justification of why. Is it novel? No. Did it cost a lot to make? Probably not. Square Enix is saying "we know there are people that will buy this for $16, so we release it at that price and when those sales dry up, we drop it down to $10. There are just so many better iOS games out there for SO much cheaper. Rovio is making millions off a $1 app and off of advertising on the Android. Yesterday I read about a free game with IAP that had made 750k. The studio - 3 guys!

In fact, FF3 latest release was a complete 3D remake. Initial game was in 2D, so they had to redo everything. That pretty justifies the cost in my eyes ;-)


Well that was my only long post in this subject, as other posters did explain the thing better than me ^^

[natedogg213]

Yes there are quite a few giant corporations in the appstore, but they don't take it as serious as making a game for the PSP or Nintendo DS. Check out Capcom with Nintendo's 3DS port of Street Fighter IV. Now take a look at the iPhone port. Yeah, I know maybe the graphics of a iPhone can't do that, but just look at how many functions they put into the 3DS version. Activision already do treat the iPhone as a joke, want others to come along and realize too?
(Compare CoD Zombies with the DS port of MW2 and you'll see the difference)
If Square Enix can earn a decent amount of money, we'd be able to get ports of maybe Dissidia but instead we're getting Tower Defense and Voice fighting crap out of them most of the time.

What's so bad about having social apps and more 'console'-like apps at the same time?

It depends on the type of game. First person shooters get tricky because you lose the control. Strategy games are tough due to the small screen (talking my ipod touch here, don't have an ipad :( I thought that Chaos Rings was a step in the right direction. Sure, there it's not as epic as FF7 but it really was solid. I paid $12 and never looked back. But Square already released FF1 and 2 for $10, why is there a 60 percent premium all the sudden on FF3?

Listen, you don't have to accept my opinion, just think about the app store and all the great games you have and how much they cost. Now compare it to FF3 and its price. And give these devs some credit. They are pricing them based on forecasts. Meaning: What selling price can we set to maximize purchases and get us the highest amount of revenue. The precedent has been set and Square is trying to buck it with an average product.

[yemi]

To be honest it all boils down to this
Natedog
yeehoo
herosoft
Are the only 3 people who will fight when it comes down to price being a little high. All 3 have very if any knowledge about how much money it takes to produce games. All 3 people will take an example that has nothing to do with games , and say it will happen here.
Here is my proof of my point.Lets use real history here.
When the iphone 1st started games were $7-$9 . There was no gold rush and people didnt buy games like they do now. As smaller developer creeped in , the prices of the games got lower. When the games finally reached the 99 cent point , the gold rush came. From 2009 and up majority of indie developers have made and continue to make 99 cent games.
Major developers like enix,capcom,sega,etc have all tried to raise the price point . They all failed and have to resort to making 99 cent sales. Yes they push and comsumers dont buy it.
Now tell me where the hell do you see the price point for the whole appstore raising!! Its been proven in history when prices where high people didnt buy!!! Dont use examples of soda in disney world or whatever crap comes out of your mouth. Use the appstore history , which is the only thing that matters here.

[Appbolt]

Maybe the high price includes a donation to Japan. Then they might lower the cost of the game once there has been enough purchases.

[natedogg213]

Ah. So you're saying that your entire argument comes down to just not liking Square Enix?

Wow. Okay.

Give me a break, you are taking this out of context. I loved Square back in the day. FF3, Chrono Trigger, Secret of Mana, FFVII, freaking classics! But they are not a market leader anymore and are not making products with the level of quality that they used to. So, my point is that they don't currently have the clout and leverage to be dictating market prices. For comparison, think about Activision selling $15-20 DLC for consoles and PC. Gamers hate it, but they are so hooked that they pay!! Square cannot say the same, and I believe their mediocre sales on this game will prove it. Now that the fanboys bought theirs and the dust is settling, we'll see.

[natedogg213]

To be honest it all boils down to this
Natedog
yeehoo
herosoft
Are the only 3 people who will fight when it comes down to price being a little high. All 3 have very if any knowledge about how much money it takes to produce games. All 3 people will take an example that has nothing to do with games , and say it will happen here.
Here is my proof of my point.Lets use real history here.
When the iphone 1st started games were $7-$9 . There was no gold rush and people didnt buy games like they do now. As smaller developer creeped in , the prices of the games got lower. When the games finally reached the 99 cent point , the gold rush came. From 2009 and up majority of indie developers have made and continue to make 99 cent games.
Major developers like enix,capcom,sega,etc have all tried to raise the price point . They all failed and have to resort to making 99 cent sales. Yes they push and comsumers dont buy it.
Now tell me where the hell do you see the price point for the whole appstore raising!! Its been proven in history when prices where high people didnt buy!!! Dont use examples of soda in disney world or whatever crap comes out of your mouth. Use the appstore history , which is the only thing that matters here.

I am getting sick and tired of your made up figures. This is from Apple's site in 2008:

iPhone App Store Downloads Top 10 Million in First Weekend

CUPERTINO, California—July 14, 2008—Apple® today announced that iPhone™ and iPod® touch users have already downloaded more than 10 million applications from its groundbreaking new App Store since its launch late last week. Developers have created a wide array of innovative mobile applications ranging from games to location-based social networking to medical applications to enterprise productivity tools. Users can wirelessly download applications directly onto their iPhone or iPod touch* and start using them immediately. More than 800 native applications are now available on the App Store, with more than 200 offered for free and more than 90 percent priced at less than $10.

I'd call that a GOLD RUSH! And don't send your assumptions in my direction. I own so many damn games that it can be diagnosed as an addiction. Go away!

[Arktar]

You do know that Final Fantasy XIII Versus and Final Fantasy XIII has taken 5 years to make, and Final Fantasy XIII Versus is still going right? That isn't a level of quality I suppose? Yes, they have small filler projects along the way, but they're at least getting the mainstream (JRPGs, not MMORPGs) Final Fantasies right.
Just walk around in Final Fantasy XIII and look at the environment and how much detail they have put into it. It is really amazing.

[crex]

This thread really does need to be closed.

[PwNaGeDaN]

This thread is one of the funniest things I've read in a long time.

[TiltMyTouch]

Omg.

Money.

[crex]

Ah! Its back! I thought it was dead! :confused:

[natedogg213]

Ah! Its back! I thought it was dead! :confused:

Awwww yeah!! Maybe yemo can drop some more knowledge on us!!

[yemi]

Awwww yeah!! Maybe yemo can drop some more knowledge on us!!

I did drop knowledge but some people just dont want to learn. The key to progressing is to learn to accept when your wrong and fix things to make it right. But if you just want to argue without substance , then it would be a waste of my time. I posted links and sources to back my statements up and you still say its my opinion.
So why should I waste my time with you? I shouldnt until you learn to be an intelligent person.

[yemi]

In 2008 most top iphone games were $9.99-4.99 with 99 cents being the lowest price point. My point is when prices were high people didnt buy as many games. When prices dropped sales went up ,and 99 cents became the premier price point.

Now you say that if Enix gets away with selling games at $16 other developers will follow suit. My proof shows otherwise.
http://www.bostonherald.com/business...icleid=1112912

http://www.socialtimes.com/2009/01/2...games-of-2008/

http://toucharcade.com/2008/12/25/be...holiday-guide/
Now you prove to me how the prices are somehow going to go up because of Enix pricing FF3 for $16. You cant = You FAIL

[TiltMyTouch]

Everybody, sing along!

yemi yemi everybody loves yemi fun and games for everyone!!!
yemi yemi everybody loves yemi fun and games for everyone!!!
yemi yemi everybody loves yemi fun and games for everyone!!!

[drez]

Wow...this thread is epic

Some of you need to get a life. In the just over year in a half since I got my iPhone, I'd probaly spent a total of $150-200 real dollars on games. I spent more on PS3 games around Christmas. If you think $16 is too much, then you need to get a new hobby.

Also, if you are so worried about prices, do a little research. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to know that SE drops prices for a week or two for every new release. If you don't want to pay $16, wait until FFT or something else comes out and you'll probaly see FF3 drop several dollars at least.

[natedogg213]

In 2008 most top iphone games were $9.99-4.99 with 99 cents being the lowest price point. My point is when prices were high people didnt buy as many games. When prices dropped sales went up ,and 99 cents became the premier price point.

Now you say that if Enix gets away with selling games at $16 other developers will follow suit. My proof shows otherwise.
http://www.bostonherald.com/business...icleid=1112912

http://www.socialtimes.com/2009/01/2...games-of-2008/

http://toucharcade.com/2008/12/25/be...holiday-guide/
Now you prove to me how the prices are somehow going to go up because of Enix pricing FF3 for $16. You cant = You FAIL

Wow, those busted links are REALLY helpful Yemo!! And again, you twist my words into something they are not. You are clearly getting me confused with that one poster who talked about Disneyland drinks for $6. How about you start over at post 1 and read ALL the way through. You will see that you are a tad confused. Here was my point: Square/Enix is unprecedented in its $16 price tag. I didn't say developers would follow suit to our detriment though who knows - they may. I said that Square/Enix needed to provide a product worthy of that price tag and in my opinion, a rehash of a 1990 game doesn't do it. As for the whole pricing side conversation, I refuted your claim that games were $7-9 in 2008. Which you then changed to a more accurate $5-9for PREMIER GAMES. Captain Inconsistent strikes again. Let's not forget your made up Square/Enix operating costs and corporate structure; and interpretation of tax on these games. I fear that anyone takes your words serious because they will come out of this conversation way less informed. As for the lowest price point being $.99, thanks for the obvious. I wasn't exactly expecting $.50 cent games. LOL!

yemo yemo everybody loves yemo fun and games for everyone

^the most intelligent thing you've said in this thread

[natedogg213]

Wow...this thread is epic

Some of you need to get a life. In the just over year in a half since I got my iPhone, I'd probaly spent a total of $150-200 real dollars on games. I spent more on PS3 games around Christmas. If you think $16 is too much, then you need to get a new hobby.

Also, if you are so worried about prices, do a little research. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to know that SE drops prices for a week or two for every new release. If you don't want to pay $16, wait until FFT or something else comes out and you'll probaly see FF3 drop several dollars at least.

Maybe if you read some of the thread you'd realize this isn't a "whaaa!! I can't afford it" thread. I could very much afford it but it is not worth $16. That was the point of most of the thread (plus a boatload of personal attacks and rambling from Yemo).

[drez]

Maybe if you read some of the thread you'd realize this isn't a "whaaa!! I can't afford it" thread. I could very much afford it but it is not worth $16. That was the point of most of the thread (plus a boatload of personal attacks and rambling from Yemo).

That's exactly what this is. All the other stuff is just cover for a bunch of teens and pre-teens complaining that they can't afford a $16 game.

Square Enix can set whatever prices they want. If you don't like it, don't get the game. If the price too high, people won't buy it and the price drops. Period. No need to discuss this any further.

[natedogg213]

That's exactly what this is. All the other stuff is just cover for a bunch of teens and pre-teens complaining that they can't afford a $16 game.

Square Enix can set whatever prices they want. If you don't like it, don't get the game. If the price too high, people won't buy it and the price drops. Period. No need to discuss this any further.

Ha, its a pre-teen/teen conspiracy!! Who woulda thunk? You are right, I didn't have to get the game...and I did not. Not because I can't afford it because frankly I have a disturbing amount of games (I'd be ashamed to tell anyone other than you all). But the point of having a forum is to discuss this type of stuff. If you want to buy things no matter the price, knock yourself out! But since you've added nothing of value to the discussion, maybe you should be the one avoiding the thread instead of making baseless generalizations about how we all are a bunch of lil kids raging over the price. Some undoubtedly are, but you can usually separate the kids (Yemo for instance) from the adults.

Good day sir

[Benegesserit]

It's not really fair to direct people to another thread to talk about the price when it's called "Warning: Complete Train Wreck of a Thread". People have a good reason to complain about the price and their opinion, just because you don't agree with it, does not make it a train wreck. The price is a train wreck.

[Benegesserit]

That's exactly what this is. All the other stuff is just cover for a bunch of teens and pre-teens complaining that they can't afford a $16 game.


It's not about what you can afford. It's the value vs cost. Square is definitely not offering value to match this price compared to a lot of other competitors on the platform. The extremely bare-bones interface was the first clue that all they did was make sure the platform could control the device but there isn't really a lot of polish. The "updated" graphics is a simple filter taking advantage of the much more powerful hardware of the iDevices compared to the DS.

Sure we can just not buy it, but unfortunately for a company the size of Square it won't teach them anything because they are already filthy rich. The only time that avoiding overcosted product makes a real impact on a company is when they are small...like many of the indie companies here.

[drez]

It's not really fair to direct people to another thread to talk about the price when it's called "Warning: Complete Train Wreck of a Thread". People have a good reason to complain about the price and their opinion, just because you don't agree with it, does not make it a train wreck. The price is a train wreck.

It's called a job...

[drez]

It's not about what you can afford. It's the value vs cost. Square is definitely not offering value to match this price compared to a lot of other competitors on the platform. The extremely bare-bones interface was the first clue that all they did was make sure the platform could control the device but there isn't really a lot of polish. The "updated" graphics is a simple filter taking advantage of the much more powerful hardware of the iDevices compared to the DS.

Sure we can just not buy it, but unfortunately for a company the size of Square it won't teach them anything because they are already filthy rich. The only time that avoiding overcosted product makes a real impact on a company is when they are small...like many of the indie companies here.

People like you are the reason quality games are few and far between on this platform.

[backtothis]

People like you are the reason quality games are few and far between on this platform.

Got 'em coach.

[EMTKiNG]

LOL the thread title is right train wreck of a thread. Take it out back and shoot it already:p

[Vovin]

It's not about what you can afford. It's the value vs cost. Square is definitely not offering value to match this price compared to a lot of other competitors on the platform. The extremely bare-bones interface was the first clue that all they did was make sure the platform could control the device but there isn't really a lot of polish. The "updated" graphics is a simple filter taking advantage of the much more powerful hardware of the iDevices compared to the DS.

Sure we can just not buy it, but unfortunately for a company the size of Square it won't teach them anything because they are already filthy rich. The only time that avoiding overcosted product makes a real impact on a company is when they are small...like many of the indie companies here.



u mad

[GnarKill]

People like you are the reason quality games are few and far between on this platform.

Quoted for truth.

[natedogg213]

Quoted for truth.

As someone who owns games on PC, PS3, Wii, 360 and iOS, I can easily say that there is an abundance of quality titles on the iOS. To name some: Tilt to Live, Real Racing series, Rage, CoD: Zombies, Aralon, NOVA, MC2, Chaos Rings, and so forth.

If these aren't considered quality titles, then what are? How do you define "quality"?

[Epox]

u mad

lmao :D


As someone who owns games on PC, PS3, Wii, 360 and iOS, I can easily say that there is an abundance of quality titles on the iOS. To name some: Tilt to Live, Real Racing series, Rage, CoD: Zombies, Aralon, NOVA, MC2, Chaos Rings, and so forth.

If these aren't considered quality titles, then what are? How do you define "quality"?

Depends on what your comparing it too

[Gabrien]

Oh please, five bucks as an "introductory price" for this? Whom are they kidding? Not universal. No mention of retina. From the video every character looks like the same model with a different skin. Almost no showing of the actual gameplay.

[broadpfc]

Oh please, five bucks as an "introductory price" for this? Whom are they kidding? Not universal. No mention of retina. From the video every character looks like the same model with a different skin. Almost no showing of the actual gameplay.

Agreed. Realgame play appeals more to me. In reality, you cannot spin for like infinity degrees.

[arglactable]

Hey, look! A shitty port of a shitty graphics face-lift of a shitty, antiquated JRPG! Only SIXTEEN DOLLARS, you say?! No! Surely, Squeenix could not stomach reselling their obsolete time-wasters for such a paltry sum.

[LKR]

Hey, look! A shitty port of a shitty graphics face-lift of a shitty, antiquated JRPG! Only SIXTEEN DOLLARS, you say?! No! Surely, Squeenix could not stomach reselling their obsolete time-wasters for such a paltry sum.

http://craplog.de/wp-content/uploads/2008/05/facepalm_picard_riker.jpg

[squarezero]

Hey, look! A shitty port of a shitty graphics face-lift of a shitty, antiquated JRPG! Only SIXTEEN DOLLARS, you say?! No! Surely, Squeenix could not stomach reselling their obsolete time-wasters for such a paltry sum.
I find it fascinating that you are angry about the price of a game that you don't want.

[weehoo]

Wasnt much interested in this one but definitely grabbing it at that price.

You sure you don't want to pay $15.99 for it? I thought you loved paying high prices for games and despised low prices. I guess my theory was proven by the stupidity of the opposition.

Sorry, I've been trying to be good. Better go tell Hodapp.

[ImNoSuperMan]

You sure you don't want to pay $15.99 for it? I thought you loved paying high prices for games and despised low prices. I guess my theory was proven by the stupidity of the opposition.

Sorry, I've been trying to be good. Better go tell Hodapp.
Link me where "I" said iOS games should cost more. Go go go go...

[Vovin]

P'wned!

[SkyMuffin]

http://i51.tinypic.com/21oc9hj.jpg

[Paradiso]

Why isn't this thread in the Other section? It's taking up space that could be used for discussion about actual gameplay.

[crex]

Why isn't this thread in the Other section? It's taking up space that could be used for discussion about actual gameplay.

OR, they could just delete this thread all together.

[Jdragoon19]

OR, they could just delete this thread all together.

lol i think this threads turning into chaos with trolls

[swishinj]

Yes, my dear jerky friend... greed is also the reason why Square / Enix donated 100 million Japanese yen for the Japan relief?

http://release.square-enix.com/na/2011/03/17_01.html

Get lost.

Yeah and Mark Zuckerberg is donating most of his money to charity, but he's still a douchebag. http://mashable.com/2010/12/09/mark-zuckerberg/

[backtothis]

Yeah and Mark Zuckerberg is donating most of his money to charity, but he's still a douchebag. http://mashable.com/2010/12/09/mark-zuckerberg/

1. Why are you comparing the billionaire creator of a social network to a video game company that's been here for decades now.

2. What the hell do you know about Zuckerberg besides the bullshit you've probably seen in the news articles that you consider mainstream? Oh better yet, did you get that mindset from watching The Social Network? Spare me.

[crex]

The Social Network

Speaking of The Social Network, that movie was freakin AMAZING!

[backtothis]

Speaking of The Social Network, that movie was freakin AMAZING!

Yep.

[iphoneprogrammer]

The price is higher than most games we have seen on the AppStore, get the f*ck over it and stop bitching. If you can't afford it than don't buy it. Simple as that. Sheeeiiittt.

[natedogg213]

The price is higher than most games we have seen on the AppStore, get the f*ck over it and stop bitching. If you can't afford it than don't buy it. Simple as that. Sheeeiiittt.

Maybe you should learn to read or work on your comprehension. For the 100th time, this is not an "I can't afford it" thread. Everybody who chats in this forum blows tons of money on apps, myself included. I will eventually buy it, when it is at a price I consider not to be a ripoff.

Coming from a guy named "iphoneprogrammer" I am sure you provide an objective opinion. ;) Nice "The Wire" reference at the end though, you gained some "cool points" back :D

[MidianGTX]

Everybody who chats in this forum blows tons of money on apps, myself included.

Naww, we've got masses of kids without two cents to rub together around here.

[DopyG]

Sheeeiiittt.

I red that with Clay Davis voice

[gwet17]

Wait, this thread hasn't been shut down yet? Oh well. Bye.

[MidianGTX]

Wait, this thread hasn't been shut down yet? Oh well. Bye.

Uh... bye!

P.S. This thread was put here in an attempt to contain all the BS. It's simpler for the mods to redirect people into this than tackle each petty pricing argument that pops up in the game topics.

[natedogg213]

Uh... bye!

P.S. This thread was put here in an attempt to contain all the BS. It's simpler for the mods to redirect people into this than tackle each petty pricing argument that pops up in the game topics.

According to your logic, all iPhone gamers should just blindly accept the $16 price tag on an old game. Well, Based on my hundreds of game purchases i have a strong sense of how games are priced and this is the first major release that I feel is a ripoff. We have the right to voice our dislike of the price. You don't have to agree, you can call it B.S but u are the one coming back to this thread with nothing of value to add to the discussion.

Next, I've been in this forum for quite awhile now and the price complaint threads are few and far between. Also, the thread wasn't "put here," it was just renamed. Lastly the mods aren't here to "tackle" pricing arguments, they are here to enforce the forum rules.

[New England Gamer]

Next, I've been in this forum for quite awhile now and the price complaint threads are few and far between. Also, the thread wasn't "put here," it was just renamed. Lastly the mods aren't here to "tackle" pricing arguments, they are here to enforce the forum rules.

There might not be threads but there are certainly enough comments within threads that it gets annoying. And if they don't complain directly about the price it is a comment somewhere along the lines of - I will wait for the sale - I will wait for it to go free. And that is on the 2 and 3 dollar apps.

And yes the thread WAS just put here - it was comprised originally of all the price whining posts in the Final Fantasy thread (just look at the first post - does that look like a thread starter?) It had one name back then and then the thread changed names the more ridiculous it became. People just don't seem to realize that this has become the price whining garbage dump as complaints on other games land up here and the thread has no rhyme nor reason. The mods move posts here rather than delete them. So this is in no way a serious thread!

It makes people's debates and the constant digging the heels in to prove their arguments quite laughable to be honest.

[MidianGTX]

According to your logic, all iPhone gamers should just blindly accept the $16 price tag on an old game. Well, Based on my hundreds of game purchases i have a strong sense of how games are priced and this is the first major release that I feel is a ripoff. We have the right to voice our dislike of the price. You don't have to agree, you can call it B.S but u are the one coming back to this thread with nothing of value to add to the discussion.

Next, I've been in this forum for quite awhile now and the price complaint threads are few and far between. Also, the thread wasn't "put here," it was just renamed. Lastly the mods aren't here to "tackle" pricing arguments, they are here to enforce the forum rules.

What logic was that? That games should be priced according to their worth? Sounds good to me. If you don't like a game, you don't buy it. If you don't think it's worth the money, you don't buy it. It's not rocket science. The only reason most of these people complain in the first place is because the existence of a few $0.99 apps gives them the impression they have the right to judge a games value.

Most of the price complaint posts get deleted by mods, but they occur in practically every major iOS release topic.

[ikemike]

This is a port, not a repackaging. They had to recode everything, probably redraw some of their assets, and who knows what else. Does that justify the game going for half the price of what it used to?

Only God knows, but I and the masses of people who bought it say it does. SE too, apparently.

[natedogg213]

What logic was that? That games should be priced according to their worth? Sounds good to me. If you don't like a game, you don't buy it. If you don't think it's worth the money, you don't buy it. It's not rocket science. The only reason most of these people complain in the first place is because the existence of a few $0.99 apps gives them the impression they have the right to judge a games value.

Most of the price complaint posts get deleted by mods, but they occur in practically every major iOS release topic.

But how is worth determined? I know this much: of all the major games released on the iPhone/touch, a $16 price tag was unprecedented. Thats what drew me into this discussion. To a huge fan, $16 is no big deal. But from my viewpoint, the price is inflated since it is an average entry in the FF series. I wonder what they are going to charge for the classic FF6!? And You can try to justify the high price by comparing to the price of the DS version but it's apples and oranges. On DS it was a tangible product for a system that has a dual screen capability and a standard pricing range from $30-$40 per game. Should the developers of myst have released the iOS version for a large portion of the PC price?

[Vovin]

It's as always. The pricing is set by the demand of the product.
Obviously, there is a high demand of Final Fantasy games, so the price is set accordingly. Obviously, a lot people pay this price.
I paid my 16 bucks for a graphically improved port gladly. It's way better for me than just paying 9 bucks for an original DS port with superblurry gfx.

I saw a big bunch of ports to the iOS 'til now.
Most ports are simply sh!t, no wonder that these games are priced so low. Look at DMC4 for example... yuck. Or Rayman 2. There are enough examples for bad ports over in the AppStore.

S/E has put a lot of work into FFIII, it's better than just a port - and they have all rights to demand a premium price for it.

[ImNoSuperMan]

But how is worth determined? I know this much: of all the major games released on the iPhone/touch, a $16 price tag was unprecedented. Thats what drew me into this discussion. To a huge fan, $16 is no big deal. But from my viewpoint, the price is inflated since it is an average entry in the FF series. I wonder what they are going to charge for the classic FF6!? And You can try to justify the high price by comparing to the price of the DS version but it's apples and oranges. On DS it was a tangible product for a system that has a dual screen capability and a standard pricing range from $30-$40 per game. Should the developers of myst have released the iOS version for a large portion of the PC price?
People can decide for themselves if its worth a dollor or 16 bucks with the help of game impressions from those who actually bought the game. No need to be the Savior of their Appstore Credit especially when you didnt even bother to buy and play the game before announcing the verdict. Everyone is capable of doing that on their own. Every frigging body (atleast the ones who are reading these forums) knows how much rest of the apps in appstore costs and what other games cost on other platforms. These posts dont help anyone. All it does is makes finding game impressions more difficult.

Feel free to spam this thread with your expert opinion on how much some frigging game should cost. Just leave the the game threads for actual gameplay discussion only. This thread was created just to keep you experts busy whining about what some game should/shouldnt cost while the real interested gamers can try to decide for themselves without needing to bother with such useless posts.

[STYJ]

Hey ! Someone deleted my post :P

Haha xD

[MidianGTX]

But how is worth determined? I know this much: of all the major games released on the iPhone/touch, a $16 price tag was unprecedented. Thats what drew me into this discussion. To a huge fan, $16 is no big deal. But from my viewpoint, the price is inflated since it is an average entry in the FF series. I wonder what they are going to charge for the classic FF6!? And You can try to justify the high price by comparing to the price of the DS version but it's apples and oranges. On DS it was a tangible product for a system that has a dual screen capability and a standard pricing range from $30-$40 per game. Should the developers of myst have released the iOS version for a large portion of the PC price?

For a start, you should clear away all preconceptions about how much App Store games should cost, because that's what throws people off. There is no "correct" amount for an iOS game, but from your post it seems you think there is and so seeing $16 slapped on FF3 sent your mind into a spin. $0.99 is not a normal or standard price in the games industry, it's a bargain that can only be found on the App Store. Be grateful you can buy games for less than a dollar but stop taking it for granted. Unless of course you'd like to see another market crash.

[sticktron]

The comparison to cost of a value meal IS relevant and always will be. Every dollar you spend is ultimately related to how you earn said dollars (or how much money is your time worth). If something you bought for 30 minutes of earned money gets you 5 hours of entertainment, then it is absolutely a great value for your money.

All this talk about past games... they are PAST games. They provided their money's worth and are finished. That $5 may have been well spent on say RR a year ago, but honestly who cares now (unless you are a child/poor, or would really rather keep replaying an old game than get something new.)

Products this cheap are meant to be bought and enjoyed in a short period, the. You move on to the next new thing. Like food, like movies, etc. Both of which cost more than most iOS games. It's like saying "yeah well, I saw Spider-Man 1 last year, so convince me why I should bother with Spider-Man 2?"

[Malrulezzzu]

Just my opinion but how anyone could complain about 5 dollar or less pricing on a polished game like this is to me absurd. I realize some of you are young and have limited funds so in that case I understand being leery but this same exact experience on the DS or PSP would be 20 to 30 bucks. Not that I would compare a mobile phone game to a regular handheld console with proper controls and such but seriously this is a great deal at 5 bucks.

[leogodoy]

The comparison to cost of a value meal IS relevant and always will be. Every dollar you spend is ultimately related to how you earn said dollars (or how much money is your time worth). If something you bought for 30 minutes of earned money gets you 5 hours of entertainment, then it is absolutely a great value for your money.

That's why hookers should be cheaper.

[Rivozzz]

Just my opinion but how anyone could complain about 5 dollar or less pricing on a polished game like this is to me absurd. I realize some of you are young and have limited funds so in that case I understand being leery but this same exact experience on the DS or PSP would be 20 to 30 bucks. Not that I would compare a mobile phone game to a regular handheld console with proper controls and such but seriously this is a great deal at 5 bucks.

sorry dude..but thats not that DS or PSP store...its the app store...and it has its own world and its competitors..unless u can compete with them in appstore u wont survive !!! each store has its rules !....even most sophiticated gameloft games or even square enix did massive sales to follow the appstore rules...

[sticktron]

Hey a days work is worth a good hooker.

[STYJ]

I really don't wanna join this convo but we really need to clarify some stuffs .

Why are some of you mixing games from different platforms and comparing them ? You do not compare iOS games with DS games even though they're the same i.e. iOS store =/= DS games in a shopping centre .

FF13 priced at 16 is indeed expensive relative to the average prices in the iOS store (Please don't ask me what the average is because I don't know but I certainly know that its way lesser than 16)

Let's just ASSUME the average price of games is 4 dollars . Then FF13's price would be inflated by an additional 300% (Don't agree with me or disagree with me , SE had their reasons for doing so. Maybe because of the work they put into porting this game ? They're a professional company and if they need someone to teach them on their pricing strategies then why not hire you instead?)

Using the same analogy , the same game would cost 300% more of the average price on DS . Only then can you compare them (by finding the percentage duh ..)

I'm not sure if you may think that I'm taking any sides but I'll clarify it for you , I'm on nobody's side .

Edit : Nice number of posts you got Midian xD

[yemi]

I just know this to be a fact. As long as IOS buyers complain about price and only buy games when on sale we will see very little console quality games like dead space.
I notice alot of people asking for updates to games like ultimate mortal kombat . For 99 cents thats the best you can get. For some reason any game over 99 cents fall victum to attacks.
The quality of games will not improve dramatically unless the consumers accept a higher price point. 99 cents is great for indie developers , but chump change to game studios that have alot of overhead to pay. As long as this disrespect is carried on , many big companies will continue to put out crappy ports.

[natedogg213]

People can decide for themselves if its worth a dollor or 16 bucks with the help of game impressions from those who actually bought the game. No need to be the Savior of their Appstore Credit especially when you didnt even bother to buy and play the game before announcing the verdict. Everyone is capable of doing that on their own. Every frigging body (atleast the ones who are reading these forums) knows how much rest of the apps in appstore costs and what other games cost on other platforms. These posts dont help anyone. All it does is makes finding game impressions more difficult.

Feel free to spam this thread with your expert opinion on how much some frigging game should cost. Just leave the the game threads for actual gameplay discussion only. This thread was created just to keep you experts busy whining about what some game should/shouldnt cost while the real interested gamers can try to decide for themselves without needing to bother with such useless posts.

Wow, reading your posts is a chore.

When did I ever "spam" the actual game thread? Not once, so don't send your baseless accusations my way please. It makes me laugh that the person whose job is to moderate the forum and encourage this type of conversation resorts to renaming a thread and trying to discredit our argument because you disagree. Just shows the level of credibility you have. Enforce the forum rules, how about that!?

I don't claim to be an expert but I believe I have enough buying experience to have formed an educated opinion. Also, I don't have to buy and play the game to form a conclusion that it is overpriced. After laughing at the price, I took proactive steps to read about the DS version and have since read reviews by sites that I trust, that also question the initial high cost (Slide To Play to name one).

I never tried to tell anyone not to buy something but am only making the argument that Square/Enix is pushing the price envelope on a remade port from 1990.

For a start, you should clear away all preconceptions about how much App Store games should cost, because that's what throws people off. There is no "correct" amount for an iOS game, but from your post it seems you think there is and so seeing $16 slapped on FF3 sent your mind into a spin. $0.99 is not a normal or standard price in the games industry, it's a bargain that can only be found on the App Store. Be grateful you can buy games for less than a dollar but stop taking it for granted. Unless of course you'd like to see another market crash.

LOL, you make it sound like I expected the game to be priced at $.99. I almost stopped reading at that point but decided to go on.

Your notion that I should not have any "preconceptions" about game costs just spits in the face of making an informed purchase. Do you buy all your stuff at Best Buy or do you at least check on other websites or wait for a discount? Most people who buy a lot of things have an excellent perception of price. When I bought my big screen TV in 2007 I did a ton of research and ended up with a great deal.

So when I saw that this game was $16, almost 25% higher than the most expensive game I have bought on the App Store (Chaos Rings, which was $13) I was highly skeptical. I loved Chaos Rings and the fact that it was made for the iOS makes the future look very promising. But to pay $3 more for a port of a game from 1990!? I'll wait until it is $8-10, the price that the redone FF1 and FF2 were.

And that's what it all comes down to! I will eventually own this game but I will not pay a price that, based on my own experience of buying over 600 games including every major iOS release you can name, is overpriced! Accept it and go play FF3 game instead of incessantly repeating the same thing which in turn results in me doing the same!


Let's just ASSUME the average price of games is 4 dollars . Then FF13's price would be inflated by an additional 300% (Don't agree with me or disagree with me , SE had their reasons for doing so. Maybe because of the work they put into porting this game ? They're a professional company and if they need someone to teach them on their pricing strategies then why not hire you instead?)

Other than this you repeated about everything I said.

Their reasons for doing so is obvious. They are confident that at this initial price point, hardcore FF fans and impulse buyers will make the purchase. They then will drop the price to $10 or $13 in a couple months or so. Gotta love the marketplace's pricing flexibility.

I just know this to be a fact.

I stopped reading here. Thanks Yemi, try again!!

[Ferraridude]

This is one of the most expensive games on the app store but it is still cheaper than the DS version.

[iphoneprogrammer]

Maybe you should learn to read or work on your comprehension. For the 100th time, this is not an "I can't afford it" thread. Everybody who chats in this forum blows tons of money on apps, myself included. I will eventually buy it, when it is at a price I consider not to be a ripoff.

Coming from a guy named "iphoneprogrammer" I am sure you provide an objective opinion. ;) Nice "The Wire" reference at the end though, you gained some "cool points" back :D


Never watched "The Wire."

My comprehension is fine, I was hooked on Phonics as a child! I figured I would come in here and stir the pot. It was getting boring and since nippy is banned from the forum I am looking for new threads that show promise. Like this one! Frankly, I really don't care either way, I bought the game cause I thought that 60+ hours of gameplay was worth the $15 bucks. Hell I spent $60 on MW2 and only got 8 hours of story gameplay. Seeing as how I don't like playing MW2 online I found the proportion of money to entertainment value quite reasonable. (For both FF3 and MW2).

Hey leave my name alone :(
I want to change it, but IMNS has yet to approve it.

Child Please!

[Ayjona]

If something you bought for 30 minutes of earned money gets you 5 hours of entertainment, then it is absolutely a great value for your money.

"Value" is, by its nature, comparable and relative, not fixed nor absolute. If the same dollars could buy you 10 or 15 hours of equally good entertainment, then the 5 hour trip is not "great value", regardless of how little time you spent earning said money.

I do not believe that example applies to Death Rally, however. I find the game to be of great value indeed, as it provides better entertainment than most other iOS games of similar cost but longer playtime.

(The meal analogy is further devalued by personal preference and subjective reponse, context, and past experiences. The lack of relevance of this kind of imagery is actually used as an example in sales training programmes. "Do not compare the product to either a value meal or a beer, as both are examples that might hold an unexpected value, either personal or situational, for many customers." I would gladly take a fast food meal in the right company over any iOS game, ever. The five dollars such a meal costs might be all that is compared (and thus "the right company" really shouldn't be a part of the equation), but to many receivers, the comparison carries many emotive connotations, and is therefore often rendered ineffective.)

[natedogg213]

Never watched "The Wire."

My comprehension is fine, I was hooked on Phonics as a child! I figured I would come in here and stir the pot. It was getting boring and since nippy is banned from the forum I am looking for new threads that show promise. Like this one! Frankly, I really don't care either way, I bought the game cause I thought that 60+ hours of gameplay was worth the $15 bucks. Hell I spent $60 on MW2 and only got 8 hours of story gameplay. Seeing as how I don't like playing MW2 online I found the proportion of money to entertainment value quite reasonable. (For both FF3 and MW2).

Hey leave my name alone :(
I want to change it, but IMNS has yet to approve it.

Child Please!

I did the opposite for MW2, didn't play the Single Player but enjoyed the multiplayer. However, I didn't feel like paying for their map packs...

[yemi]

LOL, you make it sound like I expected the game to be priced at $.99. I almost stopped reading at that point but decided to go on.




And that's what it all comes down to! I will eventually own this game but I will not pay a price that, based on my own experience of buying over 600 games including every major iOS release you can name, is overpriced! Accept it and go play FF3 game instead of incessantly repeating the same thing which in turn results in me doing the same!

You brought over 600 games in your lifetime yet you come here to specifically complain about 1 game. Now I know your a liar , a bad one at that. Now I know the truth , your crying because you cant afford the game. A game that has 50-60 hours of gameplay you think is worth only $10 . Iam glad they made this thread for price zombies like you. It helps keep the infection from spreading to other parts of the forum.

[Ayjona]

I'm curious why my last comment was moved to this thread, since parts of it actually pertained to the game in question. If a move was necessary, why not leave the part of the comment that actually had relevance in the context of the game?

[backtothis]

I'm curious why my last comment was moved to this thread, since parts of it actually pertained to the game in question. If a move was necessary, why not leave the part of the comment that actually had relevance in the context of the game?

Um I'm pretty sure it's there.

[gospel9]

$16 is fine, but common sense tells us that it isn't the optimal price for maximum revenue. I believe EA and Gameloft have done their research well on the platform.

[MidianGTX]

$16 is fine, but common sense tells us that it isn't the optimal price for maximum revenue. I believe EA and Gameloft have done their research well on the platform.

It might be when you're still selling the DS version as well. I get the feeling SE were thinking about the bigger picture in regards to FF and its sales and not just focusing on the game by itself.

[ImNoSuperMan]

Wow, reading your posts is a chore.

When did I ever "spam" the actual game thread? Not once, so don't send your baseless accusations my way please.

I just told the 'experts' like you to discuss price of some game in this thread if you wish to and leave the original thread alone. Dont jump to conclusions without understanding what you're reading.
It makes me laugh that the person whose job is to moderate the forum and encourage this type of conversation resorts to renaming a thread and trying to discredit our argument because you disagree.

I don't claim to be an expert but I believe I have enough buying experience to have formed an educated opinion. Also, I don't have to buy and play the game to form a conclusion that it is overpriced. After laughing at the price, I took proactive steps to read about the DS version and have since read reviews by sites that I trust, that also question the initial high cost (Slide To Play to name one).


A- I didnt create this thread neither have I changed its title even once (yet).

b- Once again, everyone else can already do that. There is no need to be the savior of Appstore gamers. Such educated opinions from some random forum poster are useless. Zero value. Nil. Nada.

c- Your 'proactive' step story makes no sense...
reviews by sites that I trust, that also question the initial high cost (Slide To Play to name one)
Slidetoplay (Gamefinder) - great for folks new to iOS gaming because of all the categorization but I tend to disagree with a lot of their reviews.
Stop arguing just for arguments sake. Its just a waste of time and nothing more.

Wow, reading your posts is a chore.
Just took a look at the rest of your posts in this thread. Oh the irony!

[Vovin]

Wow, reading your posts is a chore.

When did I ever "spam" the actual game thread? Not once, so don't send your baseless accusations my way please. It makes me laugh that the person whose job is to moderate the forum and encourage this type of conversation resorts to renaming a thread and trying to discredit our argument because you disagree. Just shows the level of credibility you have. Enforce the forum rules, how about that!?



LOL - just because he's a mod doesn't mean that he can't have his own opinions and bring them into discussion.
It's not that he's kind if a forum nazi.

[Serian]

Just my opinion but how anyone could complain about 5 dollar or less pricing on a polished game like this is to me absurd. I realize some of you are young and have limited funds so in that case I understand being leery but this same exact experience on the DS or PSP would be 20 to 30 bucks. Not that I would compare a mobile phone game to a regular handheld console with proper controls and such but seriously this is a great deal at 5 bucks.

I agree about the price and the complainers. This game would definitely be a minimum of $10 on any of the console download stores. There is definitely a different culture on the AppStore though. One of the problems is that the big companies can afford to put their AAA games at $0.99 as they tend to make a killing on them and they also have funds that can make up for some losses. How many smaller devs or indies can really afford this type of model?

Also, I love the touch controls more than any handheld system I have owned. If the implemented controls suck, then that is a problem with the game and not the device. Perfect Cell, M. Bug Panic, Mission Europa, Robot Wants Kitty, Hoggy, etc are all testaments to this. I would have a hard time going back to non-touch style gameplay.

[natedogg213]

INSM, your getting emotional is again clouding your comprehension and conclusions. I am not here to save the AppStore Gamers (LOL) but to provide an opinion. Did I attempt to explicitly dissuade people from buying the app? Nope. You claim I add nothing of value to this discussion and I don't mind that accusation, but you aren't even engaged in the conversation. You are upset because I told you off via PM (which I regret but you were annoying!) and now you resort to criticizing asinine points such as warnings to not post in places i havent, and your attempt to make me look like a hypocrite by assuming that "trust" and "disagreement" are absolute opposites. You don't even have a legitimate perspective on the matter yet u continue to patrol this thread. Cool off pal!!

[zJoWz]

Ahh, this is beginning to look like the Youtube comments section. Let the flame wars rage on! (just kidding..)
To throw my 2 cents in here, I think is a game is to provide entertainment for longer it would need multiplayer. Playing against people beats out playing computers any day. The games with multiplayer have the right to charge more. When I see a cheap game with MP I consider it a gem (doodle jump):)

[ImNoSuperMan]

INSM, your getting emotional is again clouding your comprehension and conclusions. I am not here to save the AppStore Gamers (LOL) but to provide an opinion. Did I attempt to explicitly dissuade people from buying the app? Nope. You claim I add nothing of value to this discussion and I don't mind that accusation, but you aren't even engaged in the conversation. You are upset because I told you off via PM (which I regret but you were annoying!) and now you resort to criticizing asinine points such as warnings to not post in places i havent, and your attempt to make me look like a hypocrite by assuming that "trust" and "disagreement" are absolute opposites. You don't even have a legitimate perspective on the matter yet u continue to patrol this thread. Cool off pal!!
I didnt even remember I ever infracted you until I saw your post and checked your infractions. As far as calling me off is concerned, I get that a lot. No one likes to be warned you know. You're once again assuming you're different than others. Cant be bothered to remember who said what. Me getting emotional about some random online stranger is as far off from reality as it possibly can. So stop assuming stuff.

No one cares about this 'expert' opinion coz its based on facts everyone already knows. You're not the only one who knows the regular price of appstore and DS games, neither are you the only one who knows how to google a game's name and find reviews for it. But you do seem to be one of the rare fews who are under the illusion that their opinion has more weight than others for absolutely no reason and will continue to post it multiple times. I have no intention to post obvious stuff. If I was interested in a game and thought it was not worth the current price, I'd just wishlist it in appshopper and wait for the inevitable price drop instead of wasting time arguing its too expensive over and over again.

There is NO discussion here. This is the Trash Can #2 of TA (if you've been here long enough, you might already know about trash can #1). This is the place where the utterly useless price whining posts come to die. I'm not sure how you didnt get this simple fact yet.

[natedogg213]

I didnt even remember I ever infracted you until I saw your post and checked your infractions. As far as calling me off is concerned, I get that a lot. No one likes to be warned you know. You're once again assuming you're different than others. Cant be bothered to remember who said what. Me getting emotional about some random online stranger is as far off from reality as it possibly can. So stop assuming stuff.

No one cares about this 'expert' opinion coz its based on facts everyone already knows. You're not the only one who knows the regular price of appstore and DS games, neither are you the only one who knows how to google a game's name and find reviews for it. But you do seem to be one of the rare fews who are under the illusion that their opinion has more weight than others for absolutely no reason and will continue to post it multiple times. I have no intention to post obvious stuff. If I was interested in a game and thought it was not worth the current price, I'd just wishlist it in appshopper and wait for the inevitable price drop instead of wasting time arguing its too expensive over and over again.

There is NO discussion here. This is the Trash Can #2 of TA (if you've been here long enough, you might already know about trash can #1). This is the place where the utterly useless price whining posts come to die. I'm not sure how you didnt get this simple fact yet.

Well if this is one of the two trash cans of TA, I guess that makes you Oscar the Grouch! You could have taken the high road and not fallen victim to petty argument but here you are! I am guilty as well but I at least made an attempt to discuss the pricing topic, which at one time contained pieces of a legitimate conversation.

As for the infraction (not infraction(s)), I have a pretty good feeling that you remembered who I am. You gave me an infraction on this very thread days ago, and have since been perusing other posts and threads of mine, as evidenced by your previous quotation. As for the actual infraction, it was my first and it was for use of the word "buffoon." Talk about kid glove treatment. Maybe that is why you get told off so often :). Also, chiding me for making assumptions, followed by making you own assumptions is just lazy and straight "ignant" dawg. My favorite line that you wrote above is "You're once again assuming you're different than others." So let me translate this: You assume that I assume I'm different from others!? My second favorite quote: No one cares about this 'expert' opinion coz its based on facts everyone already knows. Like I said before, not an easy read. In conclusion, since you are making your own assumptions, maybe you can read posts from my other threads to prove that I have a superiority complex!? I'm confident that you have the time to look. Hit me up later!

P.S. I'm guessing the other trash can is the "What should I get thread"?

[b00mers]

p.s. I'm guessing the other trash can is the "what should i get thread"?

blasphemy!

[gwet17]

blasphemy!
Yeah it's a nice thread. Bye again.

[ImNoSuperMan]

P.S. I'm guessing the other trash can is the "What should I get thread"?

Well that pretty much explains how much you actually know about stuff you're talking about. How can one of the most helpful threads here on the forums be considered trash? Maybe the same logic apples here as well.... coz natedogg213's educated, expert opinion says so!

Stop living in a dreamland. Face the (online) reality.

[MidianGTX]

I am not here to save the AppStore Gamers (LOL) but to provide an opinion.

And you've done it. Anyone reading this thread will see your opinion, now why repeat it?

Someone just stick this guy in time-out already, his username is natedogg for crying out loud.

[natedogg213]

Well that pretty much explains how much you actually know about stuff you're talking about. How can one of the most helpful threads here on the forums be considered trash? Maybe the same logic apples here as well.... coz natedogg213's educated, expert opinion says so!

Stop living in a dreamland. Face the (online) reality.

Yeah, an amorphous mega thread with 15k+ posts is just so helpful...get real! What TA needs to do is add a chat feature to replace that because that thread is the epitome of a garbage can of discussions. Disorganized and constantly changing. I had a question redirected there that was never even responded to because it was basically transferred into oblivion. But whatever floats your boat. I'd hate to see what you consider the other trash can. Also, I can really sense some resentment growing in your posts. Again, calm down buddy!!

[natedogg213]

And you've done it. Anyone reading this thread will see your opinion, now why repeat it?

Someone just stick this guy in time-out already, his username is natedogg for crying out loud.

Oh boy, here come the user name attacks. Novel approach there...That would be like me making fun of your 12,000 posts and telling you to get a life. But I won't stoop to that level ;)

[ImNoSuperMan]

Yeah, an amorphous mega thread with 15k+ posts is just so helpful...get real! What TA needs to do is add a chat feature to replace that because that thread is the epitome of a garbage can of discussions. Disorganized and constantly changing. I had a question redirected there that was never even responded to because it was basically transferred into oblivion. But whatever floats your boat. I'd hate to see what you consider the other trash can. Also, I can really sense some resentment growing in your posts. Again, calm down buddy!!
Wow. You really have no idea how a forum thread works. Think that pretty much cleared up all doubts I had about you.

[MidianGTX]

Oh boy, here come the user name attacks. Novel approach there...That would be like me making fun of your 12,000 posts and telling you to get a life. But I won't stoop to that level ;)

It's not my fault if you want to convey to the world the image of an ill-educated youth who idolizes the kind of dreadful role model that spends a lifetime dodging the law and getting caught up in drugs and firearms offences. I'm not saying your username proves anything, but it certainly causes people to make assumptions, and one of my first assumptions would be that you were the kind of person who wants something for nothing. Your posts in this topic are only adding weight to my theory. So thanks!

[Herosoft Ltd]

So basically 16 old coin-ops and a load of VCS junk for $15?

[nesio718]

20 levels and the chance that it'll drop to $.99 relatively soon = no instabuy.

Also going to wait on control impressions. Control is going to make or break the game...

[squiredog]

*cough cough " RIPOFF *cough cough*

[Slothy]

So basically 16 old coin-ops and a load of VCS junk for $15?


One mans junk is another mans treasure :)

Atari, you have redeemed yourself.

[natedogg213]

Wow. You really have no idea how a forum thread works. Think that pretty much cleared up all doubts I had about you.

INMS, please educate me on how a forum thread works, I am so lost!

Since we have apparently changed subjects, the massive thread provides value to people who want to dive into it, but it is a compendium of posts resembling a garbage can of information. Nuff said. If I were running this show, which thank the dear lord I am not, I would probably put monthly "What should I get" threads and archive past ones. Therefore it would be a tad more easy to navigate and still help people decide on what are usually the latest titles to come out. But why am I even saying this!? You have yet to contribute any substantive thoughts to this thread. You appear to be best at "infracting" and relocating posts/threads. Maybe you can transfer this to the Feedback section!!

[psj3809]

So basically 16 old coin-ops and a load of VCS junk for $15?

Are you serious ? I'll take the bait as i dont see a smiley

In 20 years time when youre using your ipod 12 and out comes a remake of one of your favourites from 2011, i bet your response will be the same to some snotty kid who says 'ha look at the stupid graphics and sound of that game....' etc.

Theres the huge nostalgic factor for many of us, then theres also the gameplay factor. Space Invaders/Pac Man are still huge today. Why ? Gameplay. Its not the 'crappy' basic graphics or sound, its the gameplay (and memories).

These 'VCS junk' wont appeal to some 15 year old kid. But someone in their late 30's/early 40's will love it as theyll have those memories of getting that system for the first time

And also why are we all playing on some tiny ipod gadget instead of some great XBox 360 Kinect ? The X Box has far superior graphics/sound but its all about gameplay at the end of the day and manyyyy games on the Ipod (and back then the 2600) oozed gameplay

If you dont like it dont buy it but its a bit poor of you to slate all these games

[psj3809]

*cough cough " RIPOFF *cough cough*

Rip off ?

Have you never seen PC DVD's of Atari games or other old skool arcade games for $30 or so ?

We seem to be forgetting how cheap these games are. Just a dollar or so each or $15 for all of them. Thats 'just' $15 ! Nothing

[ImNoSuperMan]

INMS, please educate me on how a forum thread works, I am so lost!

Since we have apparently changed subjects, the massive thread provides value to people who want to dive into it, but it is a compendium of posts resembling a garbage can of information. Nuff said. If I were running this show, which thank the dear lord I am not, I would probably put monthly "What should I get" threads and archive past ones. Therefore it would be a tad more easy to navigate and still help people decide on what are usually the latest titles to come out. But why am I even saying this!? You have yet to contribute any substantive thoughts to this thread. You appear to be best at "infracting" and relocating posts/threads. Maybe you can transfer this to the Feedback section!!
Do you even understand the meaning of the thread title "what should I get"?

[Vovin]

INMS, please educate me on how a forum thread works, I am so lost!

Since we have apparently changed subjects, the massive thread provides value to people who want to dive into it, but it is a compendium of posts resembling a garbage can of information. Nuff said. If I were running this show, which thank the dear lord I am not, I would probably put monthly "What should I get" threads and archive past ones. Therefore it would be a tad more easy to navigate and still help people decide on what are usually the latest titles to come out. But why am I even saying this!? You have yet to contribute any substantive thoughts to this thread. You appear to be best at "infracting" and relocating posts/threads. Maybe you can transfer this to the Feedback section!!


http://www.forum.drz400s.de/portal/images/smilies/smiley_popcorn.gif

[natedogg213]

It's not my fault if you want to convey to the world the image of an ill-educated youth who idolizes the kind of dreadful role model that spends a lifetime dodging the law and getting caught up in drugs and firearms offences. I'm not saying your username proves anything, but it certainly causes people to make assumptions, and one of my first assumptions would be that you were the kind of person who wants something for nothing. Your posts in this topic are only adding weight to my theory. So thanks!

I see you've taken the time to Wikipedia that, good for you. Let's be frank MidianGTX (sweet name by the way), with the exception of names including immaturities, masked profanity, racism, etc., making assumptions about someone's actual character based on their gaming forum user name is just plain dumb! I could try to dissect yours or INSM's names, but that is beyond childish. Make all the assumptions you want though, I do find it somewhat amusing. However, your theory that I am the kind of person who wants something for nothing remains just that - a theory - one that could use some evidence or supporting facts. You are insinuating that since I don't want to pony up $15 for a game I believe is overpriced, I expect it for nothing? Sign this guy up as an FBI profiler!

[vbxz47]

Is mobigames freaking insane!!!!! I payed 6 bucks!!, 6 whole bucks for a game, and now it's .99 f-ing cents!!!!! Have they lost their minds?!?! I'm so pissed off right now. Perfect cell is a great game! Why mobigames, why???? Why have you done this to me?

[natedogg213]

Is mobigames freaking insane!!!!! I payed 6 bucks!!, 6 whole bucks for a game, and now it's .99 f-ing cents!!!!! Have they lost their minds?!?! I'm so pissed off right now. Perfect cell is a great game! Why mobigames, why???? Why have you done this to me?

Haha, welcome to garbage can #2! As for your complaint, welcome to the pricing reality of the app store. You have to see it from both sides though. Expensive games that you may have skipped drop in price as well. For example, when Final Fantasy 3 drops to $8-$10 in the near future, you will save almost 50 percent!!:D

[New England Gamer]

Is mobigames freaking insane!!!!! I payed 6 bucks!!, 6 whole bucks for a game, and now it's .99 f-ing cents!!!!! Have they lost their minds?!?! I'm so pissed off right now. Perfect cell is a great game! Why mobigames, why???? Why have you done this to me?
Ha ha ha - post moved - too funny!

6 WHOLE bucks? Not 6 HALF bucks?? You sure - no wait that would be 3 bucks - ok yeah you paid WHOLE bucks then.

Ok - man your battle stations - incoming alert: Sales Anger and I am guessing Atari Rage...

[steviebwoy]

20 levels and the chance that it'll drop to $.99 relatively soon = no instabuy.

Also going to wait on control impressions. Control is going to make or break the game...

I don't blame you for waiting re control impressions, but waiting for the game to come down in price from **$2** is just pathetic. Way to support the devs :rolleyes:

[hbernritter]

I don't blame you for waiting re control impressions, but waiting for the game to come down in price from **$2** is just pathetic. Way to support the devs :rolleyes:

You have to understand some people believe that regardless of how good the quality a game is they can't spend more than .99 because they have such a "backlog" of games and we need to know and care about it. Its tiring but there will always be someone every thread who needs the price argument to be valid for them. Its 1.99 - buy it or shut up

[steviebwoy]

You have to understand some people believe that regardless of how good the quality a game is they can't spend more than .99 because they have such a "backlog" of games and we need to know and care about it. Its tiring but there will always be someone every thread who needs the price argument to be valid for them. Its 1.99 - buy it or shut up

In some ways I think Apple have shot themselves in the foot by 1) having a price point so low and 2) allowing temporary promotions. If a game comes out that doesn't hit the lowest price possible, those less generous folk will simply wait until the price comes down. However long that'll be. For me though, I think that enjoying the game for those interim months is worth the extra dollar. Jeepers man, it's a dollar! :eek: :D

[hbernritter]

In some ways I think Apple have shot themselves in the foot by 1) having a price point so low and 2) allowing temporary promotions. If a game comes out that doesn't hit the lowest price possible, those less generous folk will simply wait until the price comes down. However long that'll be. For me though, I think that enjoying the game for those interim months is worth the extra dollar. Jeepers man, it's a dollar! :eek: :D

I agree but for the sake of the thread lets get back to how awesome this game looks!! :D

[MidianGTX]

I see you've taken the time to Wikipedia that, good for you.
I read the news. I went through a rap phase too, then I grew up.

Let's be frank MidianGTX (sweet name by the way), with the exception of names including immaturities, masked profanity, racism, etc., making assumptions about someone's actual character based on their gaming forum user name is just plain dumb!
Well you say that, but I'm probably correct.

You are insinuating that since I don't want to pony up $15 for a game I believe is overpriced, I expect it for nothing?
This whole mess wouldn't be here if it was as simple as you make out. Nobody here would buy a game they think costs too much, there's no doubting that. It's the strange and egotistical notion you seem to have that your opinion on game value is the right one that people have a problem with. Especially when, in comparison to a company like Square Enix, you know absolutely jack shit about the industry.

Sign this guy up as an FBI profiler!
I don't like the hours.

[Vovin]

We already have a profiler on TA, no need for a second of these jerks.

[vbxz47]

Why did the chicken cross the road?

For mobigames to crush my dreams and drop the price of their game 80 freaking percent...

[MidianGTX]

Why did the chicken cross the road?

For mobigames to crush my dreams and drop the price of their game 80 freaking percent...

You've got some shitty dreams.

[yemi]

You've got some shitty dreams.

Hahahaha thanks for the laugh I needed it!!!

[Vovin]

You've got some shitty dreams.


You've made my day! :D

I also guess that vbxz47 never saw a sale before.
No other reason to explain such a reaction.

Imagine this:


Is my baker freaking insane!!!!! I payed 3 bucks!!, 3 whole bucks for a bread, and now it's .99 f-ing cents!!!!! Has he lost his mind?!?! I'm so pissed right now!!! The bread was great!!! Why, my baker, why???? Why have you done this to me?

I officially declare vbxz47 our new

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_E8BpJEni77I/SI3TFEfs0PI/AAAAAAAADEA/h-UxKRQtJcc/s320/Drama%2BQueen.bmp

[natedogg213]

You've got some shitty dreams.

Ooooh, someone's gonna get infracted

:eek:

[Vovin]

Ooooh, someone's gonna get infracted

:eek:


Awww, just shut up, you jerk. Finally, please.

(hehe, even if I am getting an infraction, it was worth it! :D )

/irony

[MidianGTX]

Ooooh, someone's gonna get infracted

:eek:

Yeah, I heard the mods are really cracking down on users insulting other peoples dreams.

[natedogg213]

I read the news. I went through a rap phase too, then I grew up.

LOL at the ever changing subject of this thread. Now this has turned into you being ashamed of your rap phase? I bet this phase consisted of wearing hammer pants, clothes backwards and getting beaten mercilessly for it. I've loved hiphop for a long time and although my tastes have changed, I still listen to it frequently and am not at all ashamed. Let me indulge in your antics for a moment though. If I apply your user name logic and google "MidianGTX," other than a bunch of your lame youtube videos and PS3 trophies, I conclude that your name is a reference to the Quran and therefore you are an extremist who when not posting nonsense, practices jihad. And you drive a beat up Plymouth GTX. Am I on track!?

Well you say that, but I'm probably correct.

Ha, true words of wisdom, you wacky extremist!

This whole mess wouldn't be here if it was as simple as you make out. Nobody here would buy a game they think costs too much, there's no doubting that. It's the strange and egotistical notion you seem to have that your opinion on game value is the right one that people have a problem with. Especially when, in comparison to a company like Square Enix, you know absolutely jack shit about the industry.

I don't claim to be an industry expert but I am familiar enough with game prices that I have my own sense of value which I have shared. I also know that I'm not the only one who feels this way. I've read tons of iOS FF3 reviews, and most have a sentence or paragraph on the price. Some say its worth it, others not. So don't try to act like the price of this isn't a topic that's worth discussing. You on the other hand, are just as useless as IMNS. You are too frightened to share your opinion and instead resort to personal attacks. Maybe you should apply to be a moderator. Oh wait, the hours probably wouldn't work out for ya. :(

[natedogg213]

Pro tip: Not a real word.

Amateur Tip 1: I was mocking IMNS.
Amatuer Tip 2: Although it sounds odd, "Infracted" is a real word. It's past tense for "infract."

Good day sir.

[Eli]

Here's a tip: Stop mocking forum moderators if you value your ability to be able to post on the TouchArcade forums.

[natedogg213]

Here's a tip: Stop mocking forum moderators if you value your ability to be able to post on the TouchArcade forums.

OMG, you cannot possibly have 1.2 million posts! I refuse to believe it. And you joined in 1983!

My disbelief aside, I thought moderators didn't get special treatment? If they do, I apologize to my pal IMNS and expect that he will go back to moderating instead of trolling and being confrontational?

Thanks for the clarification Hodapp.

[natedogg213]

Yeah, I heard the mods are really cracking down on users insulting other peoples dreams.

Apparently you aren't familiar with the "Code of Conduct"

- Please keep language "clean"

Shame on you!

[Vovin]

Apparently you aren't familiar with the "Code of Conduct"

- Please keep language "clean"

Shame on you!


Errr... didn't you notice that slowly the fun is over?

I guess if you keep your behaviour like this, you'll be in cool-down time faster than you might think.

[MidianGTX]

Apparently you aren't familiar with the "Code of Conduct"

- Please keep language "clean"

Shame on you!

Oh I know about that, but you're safe if you use them in moderation and not as a direct insult. I've seen a few s-words from moderators as well. Besides, if they really didn't want us to say it they'd just add it to the filter, like **** and ****.

[MidianGTX]

If I apply your user name logic and google "MidianGTX," other than a bunch of your lame youtube videos and PS3 trophies, I conclude that your name is a reference to the Quran and therefore you are an extremist who when not posting nonsense, practices jihad. And you drive a beat up Plymouth GTX. Am I on track!?
No, but I was bang on in identifying your namesake. This is where we differ in our approach.

You are too frightened to share your opinion.
You've been reading it.

[ImNoSuperMan]

...instead of trolling

you sure you didn't confuse IMNS with natedogg?

[phattestfatty]

....It's official.... natedogg needs to just STFU already.
Clearly this fella has an opinion opposite to that of.... everybody else posting on this thread. Okay WHO THE HELL CARES?!? By now you're just trolling a shitty thread that you turned from a debate to a war. Seriously, do you have a freaking life? how old are you? if you are a little kid, GTFO and go play. if you're a teenager, then I am absolutely sure that you have as many friends as I have fingers on my face. If you are an adult... well, that's just sad. Trolling forums, mocking mods, and ACTING LIKE A GODDAMN TWO YEAR OLD. If a game is too much for you move on and don't get it... but don't piss and moan about it. If you must, go do it the corner of you're room, not in the middle of a forum for people who appreciate these games on their idevices. Seriously, if you don't agree with the majority of the people on the forums or the moderators on those same forums, then don't go to those forums. In other words, the only reason you would come to the TA forums at this point would be to troll.

P.S. the "What should I get" thread contributes more to TA than you ever could.

P.P.S. If I get an infraction, whatever. I just had to get that out.

[MidianGTX]

I'm so unbelieveably tired I can barely lift my hands to type... but I applaud you, good sir.

[vbxz47]

Nah I was joking, six bucks is nothing really. Just hoping for some laughs..

[natedogg213]

No, but I was bang on in identifying your namesake. This is where we differ in our approach.

Yep, just like my pal Nate Dogg (RIP), I assault people, smuggle guns and avoid the 5-0. In the meantime I play my ipod touch! Whatever you say Akhmed

[natedogg213]

I'm so unbelieveably tired I can barely lift my hands to type... but I applaud you, good sir.

Another long day of forum hopping?

[MidianGTX]

I won't be surprised if we see some posts related to the Atari collection in here, despite there being 100 games included in the price. That said, maybe it'll be the more mature gamers going after the serious retro stuff so they won't feel butthurt about paying for games they enjoy.

Another long day of forum hopping?
Yep, and a bit of chemo.

[natedogg213]

I won't be surprised if we see some posts related to the Atari collection in here, despite there being 100 games included in the price. That said, maybe it'll be the more mature gamers going after the serious retro stuff so they won't feel butthurt about paying for games they enjoy.


Yep, and a bit of chemo.

Assuming you are not joking and you really have cancer, I am very sorry to hear that and wish you a speedy recovery. But I must ask - what are you doing wasting your time here!?

[natedogg213]

....It's official.... natedogg needs to just STFU already.
Clearly this fella has an opinion opposite to that of.... everybody else posting on this thread. Okay WHO THE HELL CARES?!? By now you're just trolling a shitty thread that you turned from a debate to a war. Seriously, do you have a freaking life? how old are you? if you are a little kid, GTFO and go play. if you're a teenager, then I am absolutely sure that you have as many friends as I have fingers on my face. If you are an adult... well, that's just sad.
Trolling forums, mocking mods, and ACTING LIKE A GODDAMN TWO YEAR OLD. If a game is too much for you move on and don't get it...

Is it strange that I imagine an old guy talking when I read this? First of all, you haven't read the thread, that much is clear. I am not the one who turned this into a war, so let's get our facts straight. Also, not everyone shares the same opinion and even if one person did, that would not automatically discredit them. And who is more stupid, the person wasting time in a sh***y thread, or the dumbf**k who gets all riled up and joins the conversation to criticize them, thereby acting like a child himself? Get off your pedestal.

Seriously, if you don't agree with the majority of the people on the forums or the moderators on those same forums, then don't go to those forums. In other words, the only reason you would come to the TA forums at this point would be to troll.

So if I don't agree on a single topic, leave? Nah, I actually like these forums and most of the time it is a pleasant experience, with very friendly people. Not until this thread have I encountered such a diverse array of douchery.

P.S. the "What should I get" thread contributes more to TA than you ever could.

P.P.S. If I get an infraction, whatever. I just had to get that out.

I'm glad you were able to vent, does fatty feel better now!? Your accusation that I can't live up to a 15,000 post thread (for which I've posted in) just breaks my little heart.

[MidianGTX]

Assuming you are not joking and you really have cancer, I am very sorry to hear that and wish you a speedy recovery. But I must ask - what are you doing wasting your time here!?

TA is the companion to my mission of watching every episode of Lost as quickly as possible. Then perhaps the entire run of 24, wallet permitting. We're both entering off-topic territory now, the irony would not be lost on me if we both got infractions for this.

[phattestfatty]

Is it strange that I imagine an old guy talking when I read this? First of all, you haven't read the thread, that much is clear. I am not the one who turned this into a war, so let's get our facts straight. Also, not everyone shares the same opinion and even if one person did, that would not automatically discredit them. And who is more stupid, the person wasting time in a sh***y thread, or the dumbf**k who gets all riled up and joins the conversation to criticize them, thereby acting like a child himself? Get off your pedestal.



So if I don't agree on a single topic, leave? Nah, I actually like these forums and most of the time it is a pleasant experience, with very friendly people. Not until this thread have I encountered such a diverse array of douchery.



I'm glad you were able to vent, does fatty feel better now!? Your accusation that I can't live up to a 15,000 post thread (for which I've posted in) just breaks my little heart.

1. is it strange that I'm not even close to old, just not a immature SOB.
2. OF COURSE I'M NOT GOING TO READ THROUGH A 44 PAGE PILE OF SHIT.
3. I find it funny how your third sentence makes absolutely no sense.
4. honestly, the person wasting their time on this thread. You have no idea how much I wish this thread would just get closed... btw, I am not a "dumbf**k"
5. I am not on a pedestal. I never said I was better than you, I just told you to stop trolling and acting immature.
6. you never really denied acting immature. I guess you do have a little bit of sense. (along with wishing Midian well)
7. If you really enjoy posting on these forums, then why would you mock the mods? doesn't really make sense.
8. I meant to this forum... you have no idea how awesome that thread is....

[phattestfatty]

TA is the companion to my mission of watching every episode of Lost as quickly as possible. Then perhaps the entire run of 24, wallet permitting. We're both entering off-topic territory now, the irony would not be lost on me if we both got infractions for this.

good luck bro. Hope you can make it through. :D

[natedogg213]

TA is the companion to my mission of watching every episode of Lost as quickly as possible. Then perhaps the entire run of 24, wallet permitting. We're both entering off-topic territory now, the irony would not be lost on me if we both got infractions for this.

Knowing that I've been "e-fighting" a guy who is battling cancer is upsetting to me and puts things into perspective. I'm done sparring with an increasing array of assholes and close minded zealots. I'm sure you all may feel the same way towards me, but you are just as guilty for partaking in it and continuously giving life to this thread. Anyways, I couldn't imagine arguing like, being in your situation.

I'll catch you all in other, hopefully more civil and open-minded forum discussions.

P.S. Midian, If you are watching via Netflix, add Dexter to the queue, great show! :D

Again, best wishes

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