Grassroots consumer advocates exposing scam artists selling games for more than 99¢

[MidianGTX]

Ah, don't worry about it. A good argument now and then keeps your mind alert and on the ball :) Teaches you a lot about people too. I've never taken anything said online to heart, I might argue occasionally but I don't make enemies. You're all just people with flaws and merits like everyone else.

[phattestfatty]

Knowing that I've been "e-fighting" a guy who is battling cancer is upsetting to me and puts things into perspective. I'm done sparring with an increasing array of assholes and close minded zealots. I'm sure you all may feel the same way towards me, but you are just as guilty for partaking in it and continuously giving life to this thread. Anyways, I couldn't imagine arguing like, being in your situation.

I'll catch you all in other, hopefully more civil and open-minded forum discussions.

P.S. Midian, If you are watching via Netflix, add Dexter to the queue, great show! :D

Again, best wishes

THREAD CLOSED

haha +1 FINALLY THREAD CLOSED :)

[iphoneprogrammer]

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[iphoneprogrammer]

Knowing that I've been "e-fighting" a guy who is battling cancer is upsetting to me and puts things into perspective. I'm done sparring with an increasing array of assholes and close minded zealots. I'm sure you all may feel the same way towards me, but you are just as guilty for partaking in it and continuously giving life to this thread. Anyways, I couldn't imagine arguing like, being in your situation.

I'll catch you all in other, hopefully more civil and open-minded forum discussions.

P.S. Midian, If you are watching via Netflix, add Dexter to the queue, great show! :D

Again, best wishes

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Who has cancer?!

[yemi]

Its finally over!!! Yes !!! Natedogg has finally admitted he is a FAIL !!


THREAD CLOSED.......hopefully hhahahaha!!!

[crex]

Who has cancer?!

Midian :(

Atleast this thread is over :) but I'm still sad about Midian. :( Best wishes dude.

[MidianGTX]

Actually I wouldn't mind getting the thread back on track... not the natedogg argument but there's always someone out there ready to complain about prices. This thread is for the purpose of directing them all someplace contained and I haven't got around to feeling sorry for myself yet ;)

[natedogg213]

Actually I wouldn't mind getting the thread back on track... not the natedogg argument but there's always someone out there ready to complain about prices. This thread is for the purpose of directing them all someplace contained and I haven't got around to feeling sorry for myself yet ;)

After two days of not checking I can't believe this is still a first page thread...

[redribbon]

2.99???????in less than 2 weeks?are they f*ckin kidding me?

[towelll]

2.99???????in less than 2 weeks?are they f*ckin kidding me?

It's called "the market", and if you don't like it, wait for things to go on sale before you buy them.

[Vovin]

After two days of not checking I can't believe this is still a first page thread...


Wow, you're such a j£rk. And stop treating my buddy Midian in such an impious manner.

[Simon Potticary]

It's called "the market", and if you don't like it, wait for things to go on sale before you buy them.
Point noted, but I can certainly see both sides of the argument here.

I challenge any warm blooded gamer not to feel frustrated when a game goes on sale within a week or two of it's App Store debut. Yes, it is the current App Store climate, buy it's worryingly anti rewarading for all the day one buyers - how many times will developers financially punish genuine gamers like myself who desperately want to support indie developers by buying their games within hours of launch.

I think Cave is the very best example of customer loyalty. With each of their three iOS offerings launching at heavily discounted prices for the initial fortnight, and the odd scattered sale thereafter. Kudos to Cave.

I love Death Rally, I admire Remedy and Mountain Sheep massively, but I can't hide the fact that I'm mildly disappointed at such early discounts. Indeed it may only be the matter of £1.20 ($2.00 usd), but it's not about the money. It's about two things that are far more valuable - Principle and loyalty.

I've made my point, now I shall only look forward. The fact that Death Rally is such a great game, and that the devs are supporting their game with two early doors updates, certainly softens the blow.

[Rofl Copter]

2.99???????in less than 2 weeks?are they f*ckin kidding me?

i know!!!! its gonna take me soooo long to get those 2 dollars back i want a refund !1!?!!!1!!!!1


That said, no reason not to buy this now. I might post my impressions soon.

[MidianGTX]

Point noted, but I can certainly see both sides of the argument here.

I challenge any warm blooded gamer not to feel frustrated when a game goes on sale within a week or two of it's App Store debut. Yes, it is the current App Store climate, buy it's worryingly anti rewarading for all the day one buyers - how many times will developers financially punish genuine gamers like myself who desperately want to support indie developers by buying their games within hours of launch.

I think Cave is the very best example of customer loyalty. With each of their three iOS offerings launching at heavily discounted prices for the initial fortnight, and the odd scattered sale thereafter. Kudos to Cave.

I love Death Rally, I admire Remedy and Mountain Sheep massively, but I can't hide the fact that I'm mildly disappointed at such early discounts. Indeed it may only be the matter of £1.20 ($2.00 usd), but it's not about the money. It's about two things that are far more valuable - Principle and loyalty.

I've made my point, now I shall only look forward. The fact that Death Rally is such a great game, and that the devs are supporting their game with two early doors updates, certainly softens the blow.

I really only got two things from this:

1) It's not about the money.

2) You want to support indie developers.

So where's the problem? You paid a bit more, but the money doesn't matter and you're helping support the team just like you wanted.

P.S. Two games I bought recently have just gone completely free, but like you I wanted to support the devs. I'm glad I could help out and if a sale helps them financially then I'm all for it, maximum exposure all the way.

[Simon Potticary]

I really only got two things from this:

1) It's not about the money.

2) You want to support indie developers.

So where's the problem? You paid a bit more, but the money doesn't matter and you're helping support the team just like you wanted.

P.S. Two games I bought recently have just gone completely free, but like you I wanted to support the devs. I'm glad I could help out and if a sale helps them financially then I'm all for it, maximum exposure all the way.
My only problem is they launched with a limited time 15% discount. I guess what they actually meant was a limited time premium!

Hope this clarifies it for you.

[metalcasket]

The truth is, everyone gets burned by an app store purchase at one time or another...so it's stupid to come into a thread and start ridiculing others when they complain about a sale because you know you did the same thing at another point in time.

I'll tell you what the problem with this sale is. I don't know how many of you were aware that Death Rally's "launch price" was $4.99. Instead of it going to the regular price they stated ($5.99) it would go to, the price went down even further. If you can't see how someone would have a problem with that, I'm sorry but your logic/common sense if flawed...

(I was gonna continue writing on until I noticed Simon Potticary's post)

EDIT: I just had to add this. This reminds me of the whole "Flying Hamster" situation. The game had no "launch price" bullshit, but launched at $5.99. A week later, they announced it would go on sale at it's "LOWEST PRiZ EVAR~! BAI IT NAO B4 EET GOZ BEK 2 FULL PRAIS" at $3.99 (which I, along with some other TAers took advantage of). Instead of going back to $5.99 on the last day of sale, it went down to $2.99 for the next 24 hours. Excuse me the f*** what?

[ak47killa]

Im so pissed off . Im never, ever, going to buy a game when it first comes out. Unless its a buck. Two frickin weeks = 2 bucks off. WTF.

[towelll]

I'll tell you what the problem with this sale is? I don't know how many of you were aware that Death Rally's "launch price" was $4.99. Instead of it going to the regular price they stated ($5.99) it would go to, the price went down even further.

Yes, I agree with that point. That is pretty naughty of them.

But I don't fully agree with Simon's point. For games like this, I suspect that "principle and loyalty" will hardly affect a developer's profits. Price cuts are more likely to do so, with more purchasers and a higher rank in the AppStore. So when we get burned by a sale like this, it is just how this market works.

[Simon Potticary]

Yes, I agree with that point. That is pretty naughty of them.

But I don't fully agree with Simon's point. For games like this, I suspect that "principle and loyalty" will hardly affect a developer's profits. Price cuts are more likely to do so, with more purchasers and a higher rank in the AppStore. So when we get burned by a sale like this, it is just how this market works.
Duly noted sir.

[MidianGTX]

The truth is, everyone gets burned by an app store purchase at one time or another...so it's stupid to come into a thread and start ridiculing others when they complain about a sale because you know you did the same thing at another point in time.

No we didn't, some of us genuinely want to support the developers and don't mind taking a small loss. We bought for the game in the first place, so we obviously thought it was worth what we paid for it. You're right about everyone getting burned at some point though, that's just another reason not to complain about it.

My problem with Simon's post was that if it was really an issue for him, then one of the two points he mentioned must be false. Either he's not too concerned with supporting the developers, or it really is about the money.

What it comes down to is the developers need to make money. They usually care about their fans, but they can't let emotions get in the way of profit otherwise they'll simply cease to be. Alright so a few people get annoyed with the sale, but they gain 10x more customers. Developers have to think about the greater good if they want to succeed and if you can't understand and accept that then maybe you're not as much of a supporter as you think you are.

[phattestfatty]

Im so pissed off . Im never, ever, going to buy a game when it first comes out. Unless its a buck. Two frickin weeks = 2 bucks off. WTF.

and 2 frickin weeks = 2weeks that you got to play the game more than those that waited for a sale.

[FPE]

If only I had waited .... Mostly because I really do not like this game, boring, and hate its controls, I could have spared a couple of bucks.

[Simon Potticary]

My problem with Simon's post was that if it was really an issue for him, then one of the two points he mentioned must be false. Either he's not too concerned with supporting the developers, or it really is about the money.
Yes I do want to support developers, and no I don't really mind the £1.20. I'm just left with a bitter taste when the devs quote a 15% limited time discount and then apply a further discount just 2 weeks later.

I just resent being lied to. Or is this somehow acceptable?

[MarkHerm]

That indeed is pretty nasty. I wouldn't mind a price drop after the initial launch od a game (even though this may not be very nice with respect to the day one customers) but announcing a price increase and doing the opposite is just a slap in the face for those who bought the game initially... and this is not about the $2, is is about business conduct.

[Lectrolux]

The price drop isn't really an issue - it happens. I think the fact they advertised the 'introductory' launch price as being an incentive to buy the game early is what will probably piss most people off as it was blatant marketing BS unfortunately.

[C.Hannum]

I just resent being lied to. Or is this somehow acceptable?Unless they out and out say this discount will be in effect on this range of dates, the price will then rise to X and will never change for at least another Y months, yup, 100% acceptable. Unless it's black and white, with dates and future prices included, assume anything said is subject to change, and even if it is said in black and white with future prices and dates included, still assume it's subject to change.

Reality 101 - it's time that people grokked that:

1) A a rule, the highest iOS app store priced game is cheaper than the cheapest Nintendo DS game you will fine outside of the bargain bin, and the overwhelming majority are cheaper than those in the bargain bin with just as much game play. Complaining at prices for iOS games is like complaining your local butcher raised his filet mignon prices from $2/lb to $2.50/lb.

2) Pricing of games on the iOS app store is purely in response to their experimentation - they set it price X and watch sales, they'll raise it to Y, watch sales, determine the optimum price is Z, and set it there until such time as they want to either experiment further or guarantee a leap in the charts. They are seeking to maximize gross profits, that's all there is to it, your feelings are not only immaterial, they aren't worth considering. If you are so petty that you'll boycott future purchases because you feel you were lied to, you might as well reconsider because they just pulled in five people who weren't willing buy it at $4.99 but pounced at $2.99, and when it goes on sale for $1.99, they'll capture more profits from those who weren't willing to buy at $2.99 (and there will be some ignorant subset of the people who bought it at the $2.99 price complaining at that :D)

3) In the market place, prices always change. As a consumer, the only rule you can be safe following is never pay more than you think something is worth. If you thought the game was worth the original price, it was, if you bought buying into some delusion on the parts of the publisher that their game could sustain a higher price point in the iOS app store and it was going to go up, well, you (and the publisher) should both know better by now. You want to introduce a game at $0-$2 as an introductory sale, sure, you can do that and safely raise it. You want to start at what is already higher than most will even consider as a sale price, you won't be raising that.

[natedogg213]

Wow, you're such a j£rk. And stop treating my buddy Midian in such an impious manner.

"Impious" - ding ding ding. That's our incorrectly used word of the day!! Congrats vovin!

[Vovin]

"Impious" - ding ding ding. That's our incorrectly used word of the day!! Congrats vovin!


Thanks, but please stop it now. I don't like talking to impious people like you.

First you've insulted everyone's intelligence here, then you've insulted Midian and now you start harrassing me because English isn't my first language.

You're clearly a troll. Go away.

[FPE]

That indeed is pretty nasty. I wouldn't mind a price drop after the initial launch od a game (even though this may not be very nice with respect to the day one customers) but announcing a price increase and doing the opposite is just a slap in the face for those who bought the game initially... and this is not about the $2, is is about business conduct.

Actually, I guess they sold less than expected and saw lot of complains on limited content .... And decided to act in the best business way, for future buyers only though.

[phattestfatty]

when midian said to get the thread back on track, I do believe he said not the natedogg argument......

[Simon Potticary]

Unless they out and out say this discount will be in effect on this range of dates, the price will then rise to X and will never change for at least another Y months, yup, 100% acceptable. Unless it's black and white, with dates and future prices included, assume anything said is subject to change, and even if it is said in black and white with future prices and dates included, still assume it's subject to change.

Reality 101 - it's time that people grokked that:

1) A a rule, the highest iOS app store priced game is cheaper than the cheapest Nintendo DS game you will fine outside of the bargain bin, and the overwhelming majority are cheaper than those in the bargain bin with just as much game play. Complaining at prices for iOS games is like complaining your local butcher raised his filet mignon prices from $2/lb to $2.50/lb.

2) Pricing of games on the iOS app store is purely in response to their experimentation - they set it price X and watch sales, they'll raise it to Y, watch sales, determine the optimum price is Z, and set it there until such time as they want to either experiment further or guarantee a leap in the charts. They are seeking to maximize gross profits, that's all there is to it, your feelings are not only immaterial, they aren't worth considering. If you are so petty that you'll boycott future purchases because you feel you were lied to, you might as well reconsider because they just pulled in five people who weren't willing buy it at $4.99 but pounced at $2.99, and when it goes on sale for $1.99, they'll capture more profits from those who weren't willing to buy at $2.99 (and there will be some ignorant subset of the people who bought it at the $2.99 price complaining at that :D)

3) In the market place, prices always change. As a consumer, the only rule you can be safe following is never pay more than you think something is worth. If you thought the game was worth the original price, it was, if you bought buying into some delusion on the parts of the publisher that their game could sustain a higher price point in the iOS app store and it was going to go up, well, you (and the publisher) should both know better by now. You want to introduce a game at $0-$2 as an introductory sale, sure, you can do that and safely raise it. You want to start at what is already higher than most will even consider as a sale price, you won't be raising that.
I've gotta say buddy, you're bang on the ahem, 'money' there. You make some pound, erm I mean sound points!

At the end of the day, it's just a little less rifle-range in me sky-rocket.

Movin' on.....

[Vovin]

P.S.: Forgot to say that he was mocking a mod and even admitted it.

[Prophecy07]

Seriously? This is the last time I buy a title at launch.

[MidianGTX]

Seriously? This is the last time I buy a title at launch.

Good, we won't have to put up with your moaning then!

[WeskerWario]

Seriously? This is the last time I buy a title at launch.

dude, be patient. sometimes instead of always "INSTABUY" it's good to wait.

[ak47killa]

and 2 frickin weeks = 2weeks that you got to play the game more than those that waited for a sale.

ITS all good im over it. I just had to blow off some steam. Thats the way it goes. If you wait even longer you will get it for a buck. :)

[redribbon]

Yes I do want to support developers, and no I don't really mind the £1.20. I'm just left with a bitter taste when the devs quote a 15% limited time discount and then apply a further discount just 2 weeks later.

I just resent being lied to. Or is this somehow acceptable?

you've got the point...for others that still defend this kind of dev...feel sorry for ya and i honestly think you guys dont even buy this game yet.f*ck the dev that give their bullshit on their supporting customer.

[ava0425]

Yea I do feel cheated cause I thought I was getting the deal before the price went up.

[MidianGTX]

you've got the point...for others that still defend this kind of dev...feel sorry for ya and i honestly think you guys dont even buy this game yet.f*ck the dev that give their bullshit on their supporting customer.

Shit happens. If you're frustrated to this extent over something so trivial you'll be dead before you hit old age.

We need a mod to move all this BS into the Little Girls' Price Complaint Topic™.

[backtothis]

Shit happens. If you're frustrated to this extent over something so trivial you'll be dead before you hit old age.

We need a mod to move all this BS into the Little Girls' Price Complaint Topic™.

+1

Lord have mercy on these souls, especially that guy you quoted. LOL, YES OF COURSE I HAVEN'T BOUGHT THE GAME YET. I'M JUST HERE TO ADVERTISE FOR THE DEVS. Come up with some better logic. kthx.

[redribbon]

Shit happens. If you're frustrated to this extent over something so trivial you'll be dead before you hit old age.

We need a mod to move all this BS into the Little Girls' Price Complaint Topic™.


ok now i'm the bad guy???ok whatever you guys are the good and kind type...pls feel free to report me.

LAUNCH OFFER: Get over 15% discount for a LIMITED PERIOD ONLY!

DEATH RALLY ain’t messin’ you around… A one-time purchase for your multiple devices! Universally designed for iPHONE™, iPAD™, also with gorgeous OPTIMIZED FEATURES for IPAD2™. Brought to you from REMEDY, renowned developer of MAX PAYNE and ALAN WAKE! LOAD YOUR GUNS, START YOUR ENGINES... IT WILL BLOW YOU AWAY, LITERALLY! This is no Sunday Drive. This is DEATH RALLY. The classic top down racer is back, stronger and more vicious than ever. Make a run for the finish line with a trail of broken glass and spent brass behind you... along with the flaming wreckage of any fool dumb enough to get in your way.

[MidianGTX]

ok now i'm the bad guy???ok whatever you guys are the good and kind type...pls feel free to report me.

I don't think you're the bad guy, I just think you need to calm down. Think about your blood pressure. We get that some people are annoyed and it's been plastered into this thread enough times for everyone to see, now we should get back on track. There are places you can discuss the pricing if you're unhappy about it, here for example: http://forums.toucharcade.com/showthread.php?t=88443

Plus this:

Also, this thread needs to get cleaned up when it comes to the pricing posts. This thread should focus on the game itself not the price. If you think the devs owe any of us an explanation about their pricing or marketing strategy, then you're seriously mistaken. As a consumer, you make up your own minds when it comes to buying decisions. But don't fault the devs because they have a business to operate. Even in the case of promised content, devs are under no obligation to deliver on those promises. In this case, however, the devs have delivered which should be our focus.

[redribbon]

^^yep i think u're right, i just wasting my time now trusting this dev.i'm sorry if my writing ruin this discussion thread.next time i just pm the dev(if there is next time).

ps. im mad bcoz : bought this for me+ give this as a gift to my friend+tell my three other friends to buy it+convinced my cousin to buy it after try it on my ipad.well it doesnt matter . nuff said im out now.


bout the game: its fun, addicting and appreciate the update.

[Big Albie]

^^yep i think u're right, i just wasting my time now trusting this dev.i'm sorry if my writing ruin this discussion thread.next time i just pm the dev(if there is next time).

ps. im mad bcoz : bought this for me+ give this as a gift to my friend+tell my three other friends to buy it+convinced my cousin to buy it after try it on my ipad.well it doesnt matter . nuff said im out now.


bout the game: its fun, addicting and appreciate the update.

I hope you don't think I meant to rip into you personally. Pricing issues is a volatile topic in the forums which I can understand. I just think there's a time and place for that kind of discussion.

[acrotran]

I hope you don't think I meant to rip into you personally. Pricing issues is a volatile topic in the forums which I can understand. I just think there's a time and place for that kind of discussion.But it was perfectly OK for you to express your opinion of the pricing.

Now it's my turn. I think the current price of 2.99 is commensurate with the level of polish and content in this game. It was my belief from day 1 that this game would have to drop in price once the initial enthusiasm wore off.

To those who feel they got burned by the price drop: Sharing in the excitement of playing a new game with a new paradigm and discussing it with other enthusiasts, and helping to shape the future of the game is worth a couple of bucks, isn't it? Because anybody who buys it now won't get that experience.

[Vovin]

LOL? Where did this come from?

[MidianGTX]

Ah, here we go :)

It came from the Death Rally thread. Price went down when the devs said it would go up = forum fury.

[redribbon]

@vovin

LAUNCH OFFER: Get over 15% discount for a LIMITED PERIOD ONLY!

DEATH RALLY ain’t messin’ you around… A one-time purchase for your multiple devices! Universally designed for iPHONE™, iPAD™, also with gorgeous OPTIMIZED FEATURES for IPAD2™. Brought to you from REMEDY, renowned developer of MAX PAYNE and ALAN WAKE! LOAD YOUR GUNS, START YOUR ENGINES... IT WILL BLOW YOU AWAY, LITERALLY! This is no Sunday Drive. This is DEATH RALLY. The classic top down racer is back, stronger and more vicious than ever. Make a run for the finish line with a trail of broken glass and spent brass behind you... along with the flaming wreckage of any fool dumb enough to get in your way.

and now the dev suddenly disappeared...too busy to prepare for the next update & 99c sales this time i guess

[Big Albie]

Ah, here we go :)

It came from the Death Rally thread. Price went down when the devs said it would go up = forum fury.

It's always amazing how people perceive things isn't it? ;)

[jjjmedia]

It's always amazing how people perceive things isn't it? ;)
The world needs more Big Albie reviews :)

[backtothis]

Good, we won't have to put up with your moaning then!

Got 'em coach.

No one is telling you kids to buy games as soon as they come out. It's always been your choice. I instabuy every single title I'm interested in, and in the two years that I've been here, I really don't recall posting once with a complaint about prices/sales.

[Artfoundry]

Wow, there are 4 pages of removed posts... maybe the mods removed all the pricing spewage. I agree with Big Albie on the pricing issue. Devs have every right to do what they feel necessary to keep their business alive. The dev makes the decisions on the development and sale of the game. The player makes the decision on whether or not to buy. Pure and simple.

Anyway, anyone else seeing that after the update, all challenges are for the All Nitro? I've played around 5 races and have yet to see any other challenge show up.

[metalcasket]

Devs have every right to do what they feel necessary to keep their business alive. The dev makes the decisions on the development and sale of the game. The player makes the decision on whether or not to buy. Pure and simple.

You just had to add that, didn't you? This will get moved and I'm not gonna say anything further on the matter, but...

The player makes the decision on whether or not to buy? Really? I'm guessing you didn't know the game came out a "launch price" of $4.99. We all "made the decision" to buy the game at that price, expecting it to go up. It went down instead. Had the devs not advertised that "launch price" and then subsequently lowered the price, I would keep my mouth shut...but you have to be delusional if you don't have a problem with that.

Alright, I'm done.

[redribbon]

^^and nobody cares bout your opinion either, "kid"...i complained bout lying developer here that try to cheat on potential customer with 15% launch price discount tag...
if u can tolerate with that , then thats good for you.here in my surrounding, we dont get used to lied bout everything.honesty is most important thing to getting sucess in bussiness.
after a month discount is ok for me, but under two weeks?if they never said bout 15% tagline then i will keep shut and never complained.

[crex]

I sitting here reading posts from little girls complaining about losing their 3 precious dollars. Oh boo hoo. How will you ever buy that candy bar now? :rolleyes: Get the hell over it! Its 3 freakin bucks. No one told you to buy it, it was your own decision. Whine all you want, you're not gonna get anything out of it. I assume you guys don't own consoles because your eyes would melt from that $60 pricetag wouldn't it? Seriously guys. You act like those were the 3 most important dollars of your life. :rolleyes: Get over it already. Life happens. Deal with it!

[MidianGTX]

The player makes the decision on whether or not to buy? Really? I'm guessing you didn't know the game came out a "launch price" of $4.99. We all "made the decision" to buy the game at that price, expecting it to go up.

I can understand that some people may have felt forced to buy the game early as the price was destined to go up, but at the same time the logical thinker in you must have known that all games go on sale eventually. It doesn't matter if it's due to go up to $6, $60, $600... if it's on the App Store, it'll probably see either a super cheap sale or even a free period promotion.

And that's what I did. I saw the cost was an introductory price, but I also knew that it didn't count as a sale, and the game would evidently be having one in the future.

[Vovin]

Hey, we've all seen games going FREE one or two days after launch, so what's the complaining all about? You all know about the instability of the AppStore prices. You all know about the 99% chance that a game goes eventually on sale for 0.99$. You all know about the developers need for maximum visibility in the AppStore. Don't dare telling me that you are all totally ignorant when it comes to the AppStore pricing rules. The most of you complainers know exactly what I am talking about. Still you're getting p!ssed. But you can't have everything. On one side, there's you greed for new games and to hit the buy-button as fast as possible (so you can talk with the big guys about the brand new game on TA), on the other side you're cheapskate as hell and collapse as soon as the 0.99$ price tag hits. Geez, you're so predictable.

You know these rules. You all make your own moves. Don't friggin' complain.

[redribbon]

I sitting here reading posts from little girls complaining about losing their 3 precious dollars. Oh boo hoo. How will you ever buy that candy bar now? :rolleyes: Get the hell over it! Its 3 freakin bucks. No one told you to buy it, it was your own decision. Whine all you want, you're not gonna get anything out of it. I assume you guys don't own consoles because your eyes would melt from that $60 pricetag wouldn't it? Seriously guys. You act like those were the 3 most important dollars of your life. :rolleyes: Get over it already. Life happens. Deal with it!


Dont force me dude..i really dont have problem with you...do you want me to post a picture of all my gadget and all the games i have?read my post b4 you comment on others post.


Im so confused about all of you guys...this is a thread to complained bout pricing so what you guys doing here anyway?


@vovin...i know the rules...please take your time read my post again and again and again....its not bout that damn stupid money!!!!

[Vovin]

Dont force me dude..i really dont have problem with you...do you want me to post a picture of all my gadget and all the games i have?read my post b4 you comment on others post.


Im so confused about all of you guys...this is a thread to complained bout pricing so what you guys doing here anyway?


@vovin...i know the rules...please take your time read my post again and again and again....its not bout that damn stupid money!!!!


Please read my post, too.
I was also talking about the maximum visibility devs need in the AppStore to have success.

Death Rally isn't the casual gamers first choice like Angry Birds or Doodle Jump or Tiny Wings and will sell in millions in 5 days.

Now, let's have a look at Death Rally's AppStore statistics:

http://www.topappcharts.com/images/app-rank-graph.php?appid=422020153

Best Chart Rankings*
#2 in Racing Games (iPhone) on Apr 5, 2011
#1 in Racing Games (iPad) on Apr 6, 2011
#9 in Action Games (iPhone) on Apr 2, 2011
#1 in Action Games (iPad) on Apr 2, 2011
#23 in Top Games (iPhone) on Apr 2, 2011
#4 in Top Games (iPad) on Apr 4, 2011
#34 in Top Apps (iPhone) on Apr 1, 2011
#9 in Top Apps (iPad) on Apr 4, 2011

And now the AppShopper statistics:

App Activity
Apr 09 '11 €3.99 -> €2.39
Apr 09 '11 Version 1.1
Mar 30 '11 New App: €3.99, v1.0


See? And - did you understand? Or do I have to explain further about the sudden price drop of Death Rally?

There is one absolute good reason for another price drop. It can't be more obvious as in the example of Death Rally. And now you dare to run around complaining, pissed about the developers who needed to take action to save their product? Wow, you're really a nice and supporting customer and fan.

[yemi]

@ REDRIBBON

I see your post count , around 600 posts. Now if you were a newbie , we would understand your complaint. But you been here long enough to know not to take the developers promise of the price staying the same or going up. What we are saying is havent you learn this lesson already? Its happenned like 50-60 times since you signed on to toucharcade , its nothing new.

[redribbon]

@ REDRIBBON

I see your post count , around 600 posts. Now if you were a newbie , we would understand your complaint. But you been here long enough to know not to take the developers promise of the price staying the same or going up. What we are saying is havent you learn this lesson already? Its happenned like 50-60 times since you signed on to toucharcade , its nothing new.


This, i can understand...thanks for open my mind.no worries from now on you will never see me complain bout the same matter ever.never trust the developer especially from this one.noted!


Ps.actually i already know that some dev had a broken promise on their customer.like "roBokill" when they drop the price from 7.99 to 0.99 in less than a month(they promise they would never do that under 3 months)...well i just see the good side in every people and thought that not every devs are the same.after read your post i'll take it fully as my mistake in trusting the dev.

[natedogg213]

^^and nobody cares bout your opinion either, "kid"...i complained bout lying developer here that try to cheat on potential customer with 15% launch price discount tag...
if u can tolerate with that , then thats good for you.here in my surrounding, we dont get used to lied bout everything.honesty is most important thing to getting sucess in bussiness.
after a month discount is ok for me, but under two weeks?if they never said bout 15% tagline then i will keep shut and never complained.

Hold up a few. Let's try to put this into perspective. Having bought so many games, if I freaked out every time the price dropped subsequent to my purchase, I would have gone mad a long time ago. It's the nature of the app store and it is a good thing! If you have patience, you will reap the benefits.

Now to your point. I was unaware of the dev mentioning that Death Rally was being launched at a 15% discount and then lowered the price. I don't know why they'd do this,and it does make you raise your eyebrow. I only see a couple options: (1) they weren't attaining the sales they had projected with a $4.99 price point and dropped the price, or (2) the more nefarious option - they wanted to get as many sales at the higher price point before they dropped it. Option #1 is the more reasonable choice and what I believe, while option #2 certainly could happen, but this is a credible dev. They clearly made a mistake by mentioning the discount.

If I were you, I'd either accept that with the dev's unique ability to change prices in the app store at any time, this is going to happen and you will win and lose some. For example, a while back I was going to buy Crimson Gem Saga for $10 but my touch battery died. The next day it was $5-6! I lucked out. Or, if this is a principle issue, don't buy games from the dev or write an e-mail to them asking them why. You might get an apology and explanation and then can move on.

Just because the one dollar in question is negligible doesn't mean you have to shrug and blindly accept it. You have a point, if a dev claims "buy this now before the price goes up!" and then lowers the price, an explanation would at least be nice.

[backtothis]

You win some and lose some here on the AppStore.

The developers of Death Rally did have a reason to put the game on sale, and they don't need to offer an explanation. They're not just going to let their game drop off the charts. They knew putting the game on sale would increase the visibility of the game and allow it to shoot back up. Their plan worked.

So why are customers wrong in complaining here?
1. This happens nearly every week.
2. It was your expectation. Developers don't have to keep any kind of promises. They do what will help them the most. Yes, that's fair. These guys are people too with the same needs.
3. This is $2 that we're talking about here..If I bought Halo Reach the first COD: BO for $50 the first week, I'd probably be pissed if the game dropped down to $30 the next week, instead of going up to $60 as stated. But..that's really not the case here.

[natedogg213]

2. It was your expectation. Developers don't have to keep any kind of promises. They do what will help them the most. Yes, that's fair. These guys are people too with the same needs.


It's just good business - if you make a claim that the dev made, you should stick to it, or not make claims at all. Let's give them the benefit of the doubt though. They overestimated their sales at the $5 price point and had to adjust accordingly. A lot of people have been beneficiaries of this decision. Hell, maybe the dev even acknowledged this issue and apologized in the thread?

[yemi]

Look anyone who has been here at least 2 months knows not to trust developers when it comes to price. Not that its right but that just the way it is.

[Bad Hanson]

Don't get me wrong as this looks 'Pretty good' tbh but I know if I buy this it will be half this price in a week or two as it will not shift many copies at this price. Otherwise if there had been a special 24 hour early bird price I would have been on it. More dev's need to take that early-special approach to satisfy those already interested in the game. Heck even Capcom are doing it with Mercenaries...and they'll have my money come midnight for that.

[drazman]

Yeah,

I agree with Bad Hanson. The game looks great but is way to expensive.
Make it cheap first. If its good, it will sell. You can always make expansions for extra money or so.

[ojtitus]

Don't get me wrong as this looks 'Pretty good' tbh but I know if I buy this it will be half this price in a week or two as it will not shift many copies at this price. Otherwise if there had been a special 24 hour early bird price I would have been on it. More dev's need to take that early-special approach to satisfy those already interested in the game. Heck even Capcom are doing it with Mercenaries...and they'll have my money come midnight for that.

I agree, I don't understand how developers don't get it by now that an intro sale will get more word of mouth buzz about the game and help build a customer base.

[Pacificsun0481]

Don't get me wrong as this looks 'Pretty good' tbh but I know if I buy this it will be half this price in a week or two as it will not shift many copies at this price. Otherwise if there had been a special 24 hour early bird price I would have been on it. More dev's need to take that early-special approach to satisfy those already interested in the game. Heck even Capcom are doing it with Mercenaries...and they'll have my money come midnight for that.

In 24 hours from now, the AppStore US (storefront) on iPad will not have even been updated. Therefore, the just ' 24 hour' sale would not benefit customers, as they wouldn't see it....it doesn't change over with new picks and featured apps until well into Thursday (Pac time) -

If someone is going to do an introductory sale, it needs to be a like a 48 hr or 1week or weekend.
.

Ps. Capcom(s) mercenaries is phone, so seeing it already has terrible graphics - it'll look doubly terrible on your iPad blown up

[Bad Hanson]

@ Pacificsun0481 I'll be playing mercenaries on the iP4 buddy :)
@caanerud I average 15-20 apps a week paid. I'm not buying that console-comparing B.S. A game gets a chance with me on day one if it's: (a) A must buy or (b) Good enough and priced right to pique my interest. Otherwise the game will be forgotten entirely and have no hope unless I spot it later on a 59p sale and it's ended up with very good reviews. In this games' case it looks average to good, I might have given it a chance. But then again I'm not compaining i've got stacks of other games which are of a known quantity to finish on my downtime. I don't think by any means that i am the only TA'er with this mindset.

[arta]

Yeah,

I agree with Bad Hanson. The game looks great but is way to expensive.
Make it cheap first. If its good, it will sell. You can always make expansions for extra money or so.It is already cheap.

[yemi]

I love to know when $7 or $8 game became expensive . Especailly when people buy console games and expect a similar version for 5% value of the original.FAIL!

[backtothis]

By the way, it's now a month since FF3 was released, and it's never left the top 75 and is still killing the top grossing chart. Time to shut the f**k up, kthx.

[Tikicobra]

It looks cool, but not $2.99 cool.

[legowiz]

It looks cool, but not $2.99 cool.

Did you...um...watch the video? You don't think that looks $2.99 cool? Loo loo loo loo loo loo loo loo...

[natedogg213]

By the way, it's now a month since FF3 was released, and it's never left the top 75 and is still killing the top grossing chart. Time to shut the f**k up, kthx.

Awesome Dude! I'm going to go buy some Square Enix stock RIGHT NOW. Top 75, woohoo!!

[backtothis]

Awesome Dude! I'm going to go buy some Square Enix stock RIGHT NOW. Top 75, woohoo!!

Um, it's number 12 under top grossing for paid games. And um, I'm pretty sure being the top 100 means you're selling hundreds to a few thousand units daily. So clearly, the price is just fine for iOS customers considering it still has a FIVE STAR RATING on the piece of shit and brutal system we call iTunes reviews.

[natedogg213]

Um, it's number 12 under top grossing for paid games. And um, I'm pretty sure being the top 100 means you're selling hundreds to a few thousand units daily. So clearly, the price is just fine for iOS customers considering it still has a FIVE STAR RATING on the piece of shit and brutal system we call iTunes reviews.

What site are you using? In the app store it is no. 32 under top grossing. Don't they recalculate it on a per week basis anyways? Apple's "top paid apps" has always been a bit iffy

[phattestfatty]

What site are you using? In the app store it is no. 32 under top grossing. Don't they recalculate it on a per week basis anyways? Apple's "top paid apps" has always been a bit iffy

backtothis checks the games part, not overall i believe

[yemi]

Pay no attention to nate's wallet failure. What is proven is there are iphone gamers who dont ccare about price and will pay money for console type games. This is a great day for the appstore!!

[natedogg213]

Pay no attention to nate's wallet failure. What is proven is there are iphone gamers who dont ccare about price and will pay money for console type games. This is a great day for the appstore!!

I can't help but smile when I read this. The amount of games I own is embarrassing, bordering on addiction. Last night I bought like 6, which I believe combined still cost less than FFIII!

The day I spend $16 for a FF game is when FF6 (FF3 in the US) is released. I am willing to get ripped off for it.

[phattestfatty]

I can't help but smile when I read this. The amount of games I own is embarrassing, bordering on addiction. Last night I bought like 6, which I believe combined still cost less than FFIII!

The day I spend $16 for a FF game is when FF6 (FF3 in the US) is released. I am willing to get ripped off for it.

ur not getting ripped off if you buy it and you love it. Then ur getting MORE THAN ur money's worth. If you like it, then u got ur money's worth.

[natedogg213]

ur not getting ripped off if you buy it and you love it. Then ur getting MORE THAN ur money's worth. If you like it, then u got ur money's worth.

My perception of getting ripped off is clearly different from yours. I love chrono trigger for the snes but would I pay $100 for it? No, even though I love it, I won't pay an amount that I believe to be excessive.

The funny thing About this whole discussion is that FF3 is probably the only "major" iPhone release that I do not own. I simply don't think it is worth $16. End of discussion.

[Vovin]

End of discussion.



Finally! Woooooohoooooooooooooo!!

(not to mention that you've already stopped discussing a few pages back)

[MidianGTX]

ur not getting ripped off if you buy it and you love it. Then ur getting MORE THAN ur money's worth. If you like it, then u got ur money's worth.

I think a FF game should be worth $13 to any fan of the series. The only way you could possibly feel ripped off is by comparing it to the average price of an iOS game, which is completely the wrong way of looking at it. As I said before $0.99 games are not the norm, it is not a default price, it's an incredible bargain. Stop pretending it's the price that all games should be and realise that when it does happen, you're incredibly lucky.

Low prices should never be expected, just appreciated. To expect a bargain is to express greediness.

[phattestfatty]

My perception of getting ripped off is clearly different from yours. I love chrono trigger for the snes but would I pay $100 for it? No, even though I love it, I won't pay an amount that I believe to be excessive.

The funny thing About this whole discussion is that FF3 is probably the only "major" iPhone release that I do not own. I simply don't think it is worth $16. End of discussion.

But u did say Ud pay 16$ for that ff game. If ur willing to pay it, and u love it, how is it getting ripped off?

[Vovin]

No, the only thing that's embarrassing is that you mention this in every single one of your posts.

You own lots of games. We get it.

You're overcompensating, bro.


Awww, let him, Duke. Maybe the only joy he has at the moment.

Btw., I also own a pile of games, more than you can imagine, but I'm not embarassed. It's cool. :)
And maaaaybe we could tell him a little secret: *whispers* everyone here owns a big amount of games. For addicted TA freaks, it's common.
We're all just a bunch of crazy digital stamp collectors.

[MidianGTX]

And maaaaybe we could tell him a little secret: *whispers* everyone here owns a big amount of games. For addicted TA freaks, it's common.
We're all just a bunch of crazy digital stamp collectors.

TA feels more like family than ever :p

[Vovin]

TA feels more like family than ever :p


Good night, Jim-Bob!

[natedogg213]

No, the only thing that's embarrassing is that you mention this in every single one of your posts.

You own lots of games. We get it.

You're overcompensating, bro.

Overcompensating for what!? This isn't a sports car we're talking about.

[natedogg213]

Awww, let him, Duke. Maybe the only joy he has at the moment.

Yep, my life revolves around iOS gaming! You are really trying to bait me into a big forum battle, aren't you.

[Vovin]

Yep, my life revolves around iOS gaming! You are really trying to bait me into a big forum battle, aren't you.


No. According to the forum rules, starting a fight on purpose would result in an infraction or even a ban. I am not trying to bait you into a fight.
This accusation is completely nonsense, maybe it is you who's looking for a fight - checking this thread on a daily base and still posting in it while having stated to quit posting here two times before seems like looking for trouble.
But I might be wrong; just a guess and no offense intended.
Also, please accept my apologies for my little mocking; I didn't know that you can dish it out but can't take it.

[MidianGTX]

I've completely lost sight of the original conversation. One guy doesn't think something is worth the money, but a bunch of other people do? You can plaster that argument onto practically any object in the world, a house, a car, a fighter jet... it's completely pointless.

I can't believe it took 55 pages for this weak and futile "no it isn't!", "yes it is!" charade to end. Square Enix don't care. The game is selling. They'll change the price when they see fit, not when you do. People who want it are welcome to buy it. People who don't want it are welcome to shove off, but please, on your way out try not to piss off the other customers.

[Vovin]

I've completely lost sight of the original conversation. One guy doesn't think something is worth the money, but a bunch of other people do? You can plaster that argument onto practically any object in the world, a house, a car, a fighter jet... it's completely pointless.

I can't believe it took 55 pages for this weak and futile "no it isn't!", "yes it is!" charade to end. Square Enix don't care. The game is selling. They'll change the price when they see fit, not when you do. People who want it are welcome to buy it. People who don't want it are welcome to shove off, but please, on your way out try not to piss off the other customers.


This + 1.

Too bad that the complainers will be back soon in another thread...

[Osujxu]

wtf 55 pages??!?! what exactly was going on here?

[Vovin]

wtf 55 pages??!?! what exactly was going on here?


Nothin' special. Usual TA stuff.

[yemi]

Whats going on in here is price complainers and price defenders. Its a very amusing and funny battle , which intelligent point are made.

[natedogg213]

checking this thread on a daily base and still posting in it while having stated to quit posting here two times before seems like looking for trouble.

Says the guy with 4,000+ posts. And I never said I'd quit posting, I said I'd quit fighting with people, which I have upheld.

But I might be wrong; just a guess and no offense intended.

Agreed, it was a guess. No offense taken!

[Mfox76]

Waiting on a sale on this one, after paying full price for the iPhone version I refuse to give into dev greed and laziness in not making universal versions.. I really like what World of goo and Sword and sworcery did, making the higher priced iPad version universal and a lower priced iPhone only version, that to me is at least a fair attempt not to dbl dip on every iPhone/iPod user who happens to own an iPad as well. Obviously a pure universal version from the start is the most attractive dev design, but I can understand charging a little more for a universal and less for a single device version...

I guess until people stop paying 17 bucks for both versions, EA and others have no real incentive to to price gouge....

[Fafner]

ah good!

I always look forward to the weekly prerelease Wednesday price whining...

has anyone tried the game yet?
I'm curious if they put the minigames into the version. Very happy to see some multiplayer in it. Hope they add it into the iphone version!

[Mfox76]

It's price gouging not price whining.. Exact same game, 50% more than the iPhone version, not universal, meaning you will be spending 17 bucks for the same game if you would like the privilege of playing it on all your devices... Sorry but I'll pass on that, EA makes more than enough money, I'm not gonna help fill the corporate coffers with ridiculus expenditures for the same game...

infinity blade, rage, world of goo, sword and sorcery, real racing, geomtry wars, battle heart, bug heroes , death rally, dungeon defenders, 100 rogues, all high quality great games that offer universal apps for a fair price..... Not to mention the scores of great .99 cent indie games out there that are universal as well... I for one can't support the Giant mega Corp EA making everyone of their releases non universal and charging a above premium price on all of them...at least make the highest price version inclusive and retro for the lower costs device versions..the doubling dipping is just too much for me:(

[Fafner]

I tend to agree that I would prefer apps to be universal but I know nothing about programming and what it actually takes to make something universal. I imagine if it were very simple most games would be.

The point I'm making is if you don't like the price all you hafta do is not buy it. People complaining about game prices takes up a lot of space in the forums and makes it harder for people who want to find out about what actually is featured in the game that much more difficult.

If you really want devs to know how you feel about their pricing policies email them directly! Don't clog game discussion forums with complaints that may never be seen by the people you actually want to complain to.

[Pacificsun0481]

It's price gouging not price whining.. Exact same game, 50% more than the iPhone version, not universal, meaning you will be spending 17 bucks for the same game if you would like the privilege of playing it on all your devices... Sorry but I'll pass on that, EA makes more than enough money, I'm not gonna help fill the corporate coffers with ridiculus expenditures for the same game...

infinity blade, rage, world of goo, sword and sorcery, real racing, geomtry wars, battle heart, bug heroes , death rally, dungeon defenders, 100 rogues, all high quality great games that offer universal apps for a fair price..... Not to mention the scores of great .99 cent indie games out there that are universal as well... I for one can't support the Giant mega Corp EA making everyone of their releases non universal and charging a above premium price on all of them...at least make the highest price version inclusive and retro for the lower costs device versions..the doubling dipping is just too much for me:(

Ever since I opted into iPad 1 of April last year, and with iPad 2 now:

Gameloft and EA have NEVER made universal apps. It's known, that if you want the iPad version, to more often than not:

Ignore the iPhone version and wait

Or

Buy both

[TexRob]

Waiting on a sale on this one, after paying full price for the iPhone version I refuse to give into dev greed and laziness in not making universal versions.. I really like what World of goo and Sword and sworcery did, making the higher priced iPad version universal and a lower priced iPhone only version, that to me is at least a fair attempt not to dbl dip on every iPhone/iPod user who happens to own an iPad as well. Obviously a pure universal version from the start is the most attractive dev design, but I can understand charging a little more for a universal and less for a single device version...

I guess until people stop paying 17 bucks for both versions, EA and others have no real incentive to to price gouge....

First it was NBA Jam for $50 as a retail disc for consoles, when it was originally supposed to be included free with NBA Live or something or another. I'd pay $10 for a universal version, but not $10 for an iPad only version.

[TexRob]

I tend to agree that I would prefer apps to be universal but I know nothing about programming and what it actually takes to make something universal. I imagine if it were very simple most games would be.

The point I'm making is if you don't like the price all you hafta do is not buy it. People complaining about game prices takes up a lot of space in the forums and makes it harder for people who want to find out about what actually is featured in the game that much more difficult.

If you really want devs to know how you feel about their pricing policies email them directly! Don't clog game discussion forums with complaints that may never be seen by the people you actually want to complain to.

Clog up? Who made you the post police? If people want to talk about anything related to the game, be it price or gameplay, it's ON TOPIC. Just because you don't care doesn't make it your right to designate what people can and can't talk about. I find it hilarious that you think the world should cater to the content you deem worthy of posting.

[Fafner]

Clog up? Who made you the post police? If people want to talk about anything related to the game, be it price or gameplay, it's ON TOPIC. Just because you don't care doesn't make it your right to designate what people can and can't talk about. I find it hilarious that you think the world should cater to the content you deem worthy of posting.


oh yeah?!

Well

:p

Take that!

[TheFrost]

I think this game is very overpriced...

[psj3809]

I think this game is very overpriced...

Whys that ? Have you tried it ? Please let us know other details about the game and why you think its overpriced.

(If you have bought it and think that then fair enough, however just saying that when you might not have ever played it is ridiculous)

Lets get real, the games $5. In the 80's you had many games for $15, in the 90's they were more expensive for the Amiga/ST/Genesis costing $30 or more.

This ones just $5, i mean come on

I'm not saying its worth the money (or not worth it) but i'll at least try the game out first before saying its overpriced !!

[Mfox76]

From now on I will wait, but just joined the iPad ranks last month, and never really realized how many companies like EA are trying to make double the profit off the same individual.... I'd gladly pay 10 bucks for NBA jam if I could use it on both my devices, but I will not pay another 10 bucks after they already got 7 bucks from me, I think that's just not right..if they had a way of up charging me three dollars to pay for the iPad version after buying the iPhone version Id have absolutey no problem with it and they would be 3 bucks richer:-)

In any event the only reason I am talking about it here is that people not buying these things at ridiculous redundant price points for identical content Is the only way anything will change, gotta influence via the wallet...

[Yonnifer]

Here is the bottom line:

If you do not agree with the price point set for an app...simply do not buy it. You have all of the control over whether the product is a success based on demand for the game. There have been plenty of games that I wanted to buy, on impulse, but decided to wait for a myriad of reasons. I tag it on appshopper and wait for them to drop the price. If it does not drop...I win. If it has bad reviews and I waited...I win. There are plenty of other apps to feed our never satisfied hunger and thirst for more more more and more. I grew up playing the original at the arcade (a place where they housed human sized computers with buttons/joysticks and placed tokens into slots to play along side other humans.) ;) Older folks like myself remember the good old days!!!! Anyone else remember those days?

[TexRob]

Here is the bottom line:

If you do not agree with the price point set for an app...simply do not buy it. You have all of the control over whether the product is a success based on demand for the game. There have been plenty of games that I wanted to buy, on impulse, but decided to wait for a myriad of reasons. I tag it on appshopper and wait for them to drop the price. If it does not drop...I win. If it has bad reviews and I waited...I win. There are plenty of other apps to feed our never satisfied hunger and thirst for more more more and more. I grew up playing the original at the arcade (a place where they housed human sized computers with buttons/joysticks and placed tokens into slots to play along side other humans.) ;) Older folks like myself remember the good old days!!!! Anyone else remember those days?

I do and I agree on all points. I plan on adding this into App Shopper. I do vote with my dollar, but it doesn't mean we can't voice our complaints here. I'd love to get this day one, I played a lot of NBA Jam back in the day in the arcade. It's probably worth it, but for one, I hate EA, and secondly, there are so many amazing games for 99 cents to $5 that I'm spoiled. $10 is far from a lot of money, but it's more the principle that EA continues to release multiple versions and is trying to raise the price.

[Fafner]

Here is the bottom line:

If you do not agree with the price point set for an app...simply do not buy it. You have all of the control over whether the product is a success based on demand for the game. There have been plenty of games that I wanted to buy, on impulse, but decided to wait for a myriad of reasons. I tag it on appshopper and wait for them to drop the price. If it does not drop...I win. If it has bad reviews and I waited...I win. There are plenty of other apps to feed our never satisfied hunger and thirst for more more more and more. I grew up playing the original at the arcade (a place where they housed human sized computers with buttons/joysticks and placed tokens into slots to play along side other humans.) ;) Older folks like myself remember the good old days!!!! Anyone else remember those days?

*sigh*

How I miss those days...
When arcades where at their highest point I was going in every week and dropping a MINIMUM of $20 a visit!

I'm not a sports game person and had never played NBA jam in the arcade. In fact I never played it til the iphone version came out and if I knew then what I know now I probably woulda spent a good portion of that money in that machine!

Dammit! Now I miss the whole atmosphere of ye olde arcades! When you'd see a punk rock kid playing doubles with a business man and you'd have a crowd of people watching over your shoulder just to see a high score fall...

Getting old sucks :)

[TheFrost]

Whys that ? Have you tried it ? Please let us know other details about the game and why you think its overpriced.

(If you have bought it and think that then fair enough, however just saying that when you might not have ever played it is ridiculous)

Lets get real, the games $5. In the 80's you had many games for $15, in the 90's they were more expensive for the Amiga/ST/Genesis costing $30 or more.

This ones just $5, i mean come on

I'm not saying its worth the money (or not worth it) but i'll at least try the game out first before saying its overpriced !!

For 5 dollars i can buy 5 high quality app store game that will give me a lot more game time than this one. Thats overpriced....

[Vovin]

For 5 dollars i can buy 5 high quality app store game that will give me a lot more game time than this one. Thats overpriced....


Yeah. So why don't you just do instead of telling us?

[Creepshow]

I don't understand why you feel so entitled to complain about the price of a burger for a game.
Mmmm burgers! :p
Seriously, I can't agree more, this game has WIN written all over it.

We're so lucky to have such awesome games in the palm of our hands for so cheap!
It almost feels like we're stealing from developers when we get 95% of the games
on the iTunes store for $7 or less.

[arta]

.I think this game is very overpriced...No.

[dizzydank]

just got a text from EA... it said "f*** Game Center, we're EA. Without us, you can't play an NFL video game. We do what we want. So buy NBA Jam again, and suck it."

Personally, I thought it was a little harsh. All I asked for was multiplayer.

[adamphetamine]

Looks good to me but maybe at $3 not $5.

[TheFrost]

Yeah. So why don't you just do instead of telling us?

Its my opinion, and i can do anything i want with it, so if YOU dont like it just leave or dont read it. I wont go anywhere

[TheFrost]

Let me guess, this game should be free? Five dollars is completely fair for this game. I don't understand why you feel so entitled to complain about the price of a burger for a game.

So you would rather starve and buy a game? Is that what you are saying? How you compare a basic nessecity with a game? Are you crazy?

[B34$T]

So you would rather starve and buy a game? Is that what you are saying? How you compare a basic nessecity with a game? Are you crazy?

Why do you continue to post here if your not going to talk about the game?

[phattestfatty]

So you would rather starve and buy a game? Is that what you are saying? How you compare a basic nessecity with a game? Are you crazy?

lol burgers aren't necessary.... if they were even lebron james would be obese.

[Creepshow]

lol burgers aren't necessary.... if they were even lebron james would be obese.
I'm sure even Lebron likes him some FAT Burger (http://www.fatburger.com/home/) every now and then...
(no pun intended) :)

[phattestfatty]

I'm sure even Lebron likes him some FAT Burger (http://www.fatburger.com/home/) every now and then...
(no pun intended) :)

....I AM STARVING NOW.... haha but he would be fat if he had one every day :D

[Tikicobra]

Man, do I want a burger.

[Creepshow]

A big ass burger will be satisfying for about 5-10 minutes.
This game will entertain you much longer than that,
and it won't give you the shits afterwards.

[Tikicobra]

A big ass burger will be satisfying for about 5-10 minutes.
This game will entertain you much longer than that,
and it won't give you the shits afterwards.
You don't get fries with this game.

[backtothis]

You don't get fries with this game.

Yeah, because what you really need after a 1000-calorie greasy-ass burger is more fat.

[Tikicobra]

Yeah, because what you really need after a 1000-calorie greasy-ass burger is more fat.

Hell yeah.

[B34$T]

Is it that serious? Calling people trolls and hoping they choke on burgers?? This Internet anonymity sure does bring out the best in people....

Well he really likes the game. :D

[Wahreez]

This Internet anonymity sure does bring out the best in people....:rolleyes:

I hope that comment is not sarcasm?!?

Surely you have wished for people to choke on things and die in real life as well?? Thus the beauty of the internet in allowing us all to share our true feelings without fear of a physical beat down.

In real life I simply think to myself... 'Man, I wish they would choke on something and die'. On the internet I can actually tell the world how I feel!!!
It is truly amazing!


BTW: Game looks cool, but, I'm currently addicted to anything that involves grinding to gain more points/coins/whatever to improve various attributes. Must be the adamphetamine in my system.

[Stealthy Monk]

Not to sidetrack this thread but 16.99?? We seem to be at a point where we the consumer will set the price of ios games and it seems clear SE are nudging that number up.

Dont get me wrong, I am fully behind supporting developers and ensuring that ios gaming is profitable and inviting to big publishers and I'm a console gamer who pays $50+ for those games, however we need to be careful we dont open the door to unnecessarily high prices. Dead Space Hd is $10, Infinity Blade $6, Real Racing 2 $10. If SE keep selling their games higher and we keep buying them, these other publishers-who dont seem to be starving-will follow suit in no time. Support the $10 price point, or even the $15 but just know that next it'll be FF4 at $20 and FF5 at $25. This ios gaming is a whole new ball game and i feel like WE can set the standard for pricing in this crazy app store market at least to some degree.

Rant over, we now return you to your regularly scheduled FF3 thread....

[nesio718]

I would say it to your face too. It's your oh so clever attitude and sense of self importance whilst making ill-informed comments that is a waste of space in this forum. I feel sorry for you more than anything.


Those words cut deep, Internet Patron...oh so deep. :rolleyes:

"Ill-informed" would be me NOT looking at the media presented and making a judgement. Media like a YouTube video and screenshots are put up, so we can judge; based on personal taste. Based on the vid, the game looks bland, and the jumping looks floaty. I don't need to throw $5 at the dev to SEE that I don't like that game. Nor should I pay for a game I don't see myself playing(no disrespect to the dev).

Don't feel sorry for me, your pity isn't worth a cent, nor are your depraving words on this forum. Shame that people think it's ok to act like that towards someone who doesnt agree with your point of view. The guys basically said "you should die for not buying the app".....yeah?! That's forum etiquette for you.

On topic: almost 11, time to go download some stuff....not this tho, not yet anyways.

[Curleh Mustache]

just got a text from EA... it said "f*** Game Center, we're EA. Without us, you can't play an NFL video game. We do what we want. So buy NBA Jam again, and suck it."

Personally, I thought it was a little harsh. All I asked for was multiplayer.

Wow is that harsh. Did you manage to get the name of the guy or gal that sent you the message? You should report him or her.

[dacalo]

SE can afford to charge this much because the game is console quality, thus we, as consumers are buying this game. Can you imagine a game like Angry Birds for this much? Very few will buy the game as "value" of the game is not as high.

[Gabrien]

Not to sidetrack this thread but 16.99?? We seem to be at a point where we the consumer will set the price of ios games and it seems clear SE are nudging that number up.

Dont get me wrong, I am fully behind supporting developers and ensuring that ios gaming is profitable and inviting to big publishers and I'm a console gamer who pays $50+ for those games, however we need to be careful we dont open the door to unnecessarily high prices. Dead Space Hd is $10, Infinity Blade $6, Real Racing 2 $10. If SE keep selling their games higher and we keep buying them, these other publishers-who dont seem to be starving-will follow suit in no time. Support the $10 price point, or even the $15 but just know that next it'll be FF4 at $20 and FF5 at $25. This ios gaming is a whole new ball game and i feel like WE can set the standard for pricing in this crazy app store market at least to some degree.

Rant over, we now return you to your regularly scheduled FF3 thread....

Don't apologise. It's a more than valid concern and anyone with a modicum of foresight and common sense should be able to see it.

Not going to write the 500 words plus (reasoned) rant I'd like to add myself as it just feels like I'll be wasting my time. "It's a black day for iOS gaming" was the thought that crossed my mind when I saw the price for this though.

[Red1]

just got a text from EA... it said "f*** Game Center, we're EA. Without us, you can't play an NFL video game. We do what we want. So buy NBA Jam again, and suck it."

Personally, I thought it was a little harsh. All I asked for was multiplayer.

Is this a joke?

[pluto6]

Deleted

[djflippy]

Not to sidetrack this thread but 16.99?? We seem to be at a point where we the consumer will set the price of ios games and it seems clear SE are nudging that number up.

Dont get me wrong, I am fully behind supporting developers and ensuring that ios gaming is profitable and inviting to big publishers and I'm a console gamer who pays $50+ for those games, however we need to be careful we dont open the door to unnecessarily high prices. Dead Space Hd is $10, Infinity Blade $6, Real Racing 2 $10. If SE keep selling their games higher and we keep buying them, these other publishers-who dont seem to be starving-will follow suit in no time. Support the $10 price point, or even the $15 but just know that next it'll be FF4 at $20 and FF5 at $25. This ios gaming is a whole new ball game and i feel like WE can set the standard for pricing in this crazy app store market at least to some degree.

Rant over, we now return you to your regularly scheduled FF3 thread....

Actually, the real problem with app store pricing is that the low prices are too low, which could ultimately make it implode as a retail source. If some developers are always willing to sell decent apps for a buck, then consumers will always look to great apps with even higher production values and say, "Why should I buy your app for $5 when I can get app X for $1?!?" That is not healthy for the market. Oversaturation of lower quality product is never a good thing. Google "Atari".

[Mfox76]

Atari never had 100 million people with insta access to downloads, lite versions, Internet access to reviews and comparisons...hour analogy is wrong...iOS gaming and apps work because of the low price points and volume sales...smart devs realize you can make a solid high quality product and sell it from 1-6 bucks and make a metric $@/&load of money...I agree today is a black day in iOS gaming, 17 bucks for a port of a how many year old game? Once the slippery slope of price edges higher and higher, we are going to lose the spontenaity of the unique innovation and diverse design on small home brew developers and before you know it we will have a handful of mega evil Corp publishers charging ridiculous amounts for the same processed mass produced dreck that floods the console andmpc market...

I'm 35 and been a gamer since I was a kid, and until about two years ago I had pretty much lost affinity for gaming on the pc and consoles, but I found a resurgence of that pure gaming spirit on the AppStore and it has not only revitalized my interest but pretty much replaced all other forms of it for me...between work, two young kids and life, joy and ability to quickly and cheaply download and play ridiculous amounts of new innovative and fun, pick up and play games is amazing...not to mention how great it is to be able to share all this gaming and learning with my four year old and two year old, without spending a fortune.

This price point and what a company like EA are doing with double charging for iPad and iPhone versions will ultimately destroy this new in my opinion golden age of gaming..

I just cross my fingers and hope they fail miserably at price point...

[djflippy]

Don't apologise. It's a more than valid concern and anyone with a modicum of foresight and common sense should be able to see it.

Unfortunately, a modicum of common sense doesn't outweigh the ability to recognize a textbook slippery slope argument.

[djflippy]

Atari never had 100 million people with insta access to downloads, lite versions, Internet access to reviews and comparisons...hour analogy is wrong...iOS gaming and apps work because of the low price points and volume sales...smart devs realize you can make a solid high quality product and sell it from 1-6 bucks and make a metric $@/&load of money...I agree today is a black day in iOS gaming, 17 bucks for a port of a how many year old game? Once the slippery slope of price edges higher and higher, we are going to lose the spontenaity of the unique innovation and diverse design on small home brew developers and before you know it we will have a handful of mega evil Corp publishers charging ridiculous amounts for the same processed mass produced dreck that floods the console andmpc market...

I'm 35 and been a gamer since I was a kid, and until about two years ago I had pretty much lost affinity for gaming on the pc and consoles, but I found a resurgence of that pure gaming spirit on the AppStore and it has not only revitalized my interest but pretty much replaced all other forms of it for me...between work, two young kids and life, joy and ability to quickly and cheaply download and play ridiculous amounts of new innovative and fun, pick up and play games is amazing...not to mention how great it is to be able to share all this gaming and learning with my four year old and two year old, without spending a fortune.

This price point and what a company like EA are doing with double charging for iPad and iPhone versions will ultimately destroy this new in my opinion golden age of gaming..

I just cross my fingers and hope they fail miserably at price point...

When perceived value undercuts actual value, then those hardworking home brew developers you're speaking of can't make a living. Of course this is a golden age of gaming. We are in agreement about how great the app store is, so I'm not sure how that disproves my point. I own over 6000 apps, I freakin' love the app store, that's why I don't want it to fall to pieces. What you're saying could happen, just as what I'm saying could happen.

[Mfox76]

When perceived value undercuts actual value, then those hardworking home brew developers you're speaking of can't make a living. Of course this is a golden age of gaming. We are in agreement about how great the app store is, so I'm not sure how that disproves my point. I own over 6000 apps, I freakin' love the app store, that's why I don't want it to fall to pieces. What you're saying could happen, just as what I'm saying could happen.

True...but if everything goes the way square and EA types would like it to at 20$ plus price points, you can be rest assured all the small home brew indie type devs will disappear and not make a living at all...

[pluto6]

True...but if everything goes the way square and EA types would like it to at 20$ plus price points, you can be rest assured all the small home brew indie type devs will disappear and not make a living at all...

Disagree completely. Xbox live has a section of thei app store devoted to the indie developer, and there are some excellent games ( trials comes to mind) that are inexpensive and doing well. If the indies are forced to go head to head, then they will likely fail, but apple would likely follow the MS model, and give indies their own section (Apple benefits too).

[Gabrien]

Unfortunately, a modicum of common sense doesn't outweigh the ability to recognize a textbook slippery slope argument.

Not sure what you're trying to say here.

By the way, I agree with you that the lower end of the market is often too low, and in no way is that healthy for anybody either. It pains me to see games regularly drop below the price they're clearly worth. I am by no means advocating a "99c or bust" mentality. As with most things, a balance constitutes the healthiest state.

Above all though, I think the foremost thing to keep in mind is what's made the app store and iOS gaming the success it is: ridiculously affordable gaming. And it needs to stay ridiculously affordable to keep its place. It's the reverse mentality that consoles have clung to throughout the years: cheap device + expensive games. Well I like it the other way around. I like it lots and I want it to stay that way.

[djflippy]

True...but if everything goes the way square and EA types would like it to at 20$ plus price points, you can be rest assured all the small home brew indie type devs will disappear and not make a living at all...

I don't actually think there is a wide gap between our views. I'm certainly not arguing in favor of any of EA's business practices. As I've watched the community grow, I've witnessed far more underpricing and complaining about $2 apps than overpricing, so that's what concerns me. You may have witnessed the exact opposite, for all I know. I think the market will decide what price is too high, but they will never complain if prices are too low. I'm just afraid they may eat themselves alive. Your view that big publishers will eat the small developers alive is no less valid, particularly since that's exactly what happened in the console business.

If price is commensurate with value, I think the app store could live forever. Look at songs on iTunes; instead of charging 10 bucks for 10 songs, they decided to charge one buck for one song. Boom, left the music industry in the dust.

[djflippy]

Not sure what you're trying to say here.

By the way, I agree with you that the lower end of the market is often too low, and in no way is that healthy for anybody either. It pains me to see games regularly drop below the price they're clearly worth. I am by no means advocating a "99c or bust" mentality. As with most things, a balance constitutes the healthiest state.

Above all though, I think the foremost thing to keep in mind is what's made the app store and iOS gaming the success it is: ridiculously affordable gaming. And it needs to stay ridiculously affordable to keep its place. It's the reverse mentality that consoles have clung to throughout the years: cheap device + expensive games. Well I like it the other way around. I like it lots and I want it to stay that way.

Sorry, I was saying the original argument is not valid. A common debate tactic is to imply the sky is falling, because you see an apple drop, which is called a slippery slope argument. For instance, "If my neighbor owns a firearm, pretty soon everyone on my block will own one!" It's a fallacy. Just because this app sells for $16, it does not mean the next will be $20, and then $25, and so on.

I agree with you that low price point played an important role, but there were a number of other important factors. The biggest being that the iPhone is a Trojan Horse, meaning that you get someone to buy something they want or need and then later, introduce a number of things above and beyond it's most obvious use, most likely for a price. Everybody needs a phone, right? Oh, kewl, I can put my grocery list on it...and send email, nice...ooh, look at that cute little bird. Die pigs, die!! You get the idea.

Speaking of Trojan Horse, has anyone hooked their iPad up to their 65" TV yet? I have. OMG, a 1080p home gaming console that people didn't even buy as a gaming console...look out big three publishers, there's a new kid in town, and he stealing your sales at an alarming rate. Potential game-changer, if Apple plays their cards right.

[Bad Hanson]

Waiting on a sale on this one, after paying full price for the iPhone version I refuse to give into dev greed and laziness in not making universal versions.. I really like what World of goo and Sword and sworcery did, making the higher priced iPad version universal and a lower priced iPhone only version, that to me is at least a fair attempt not to dbl dip on every iPhone/iPod user who happens to own an iPad as well. Obviously a pure universal version from the start is the most attractive dev design, but I can understand charging a little more for a universal and less for a single device version...

I guess until people stop paying 17 bucks for both versions, EA and others have no real incentive to to price gouge....
I would be more happy to hold off buying the earlier released iphone versions if dev's go the W.O.G. and S.A.S. route and open up the iphone version for free later for those who buy the ipad version as with when you get the DVD free when you buy the Blu-Ray of a movie. I soooo hope this gets adopted as the standard, if only Apple would force dev's to do this. For now I'm sticking to my only double dipping for 59p rule- which is still bull t.b.h.

[Vovin]

I own over 6000 apps


Buddy, well - no offense intended, but you should really go and see a doctor! :D

Even our "embarassing-huge-pile-of-apps-owner" (who's name I'll not mention because whining is possibly looming ahead) would go green with envy. :p

[TheFrost]

Ok my posts got deleted? Im really angry now with this thread. What gives you the right to do so? I can say anything i want this is a free world and if i said that this GAME IS OVERPICED, IT IS MY OPINION, 5 DOLLARS IS TOO MUCH FOR ME AND I CAN EXPRESS WHATEVER I WANT. YOU DONT HAVE TO DELETE MY POSTS IF YOU ARE AFRAID OTHERPEOPLE MIGHT CONSIDERS MY WORDS. NOT EVERYTHING IS POSSITIVE, ITS IMPOSSIBLE TO HAVE EVERYONE LIKING THIS GAME. IM REALLY PISSED OFF AND NOW YOU WILL SEE MY RAGE.:mad:

PEOPLE: THESE DEVS REMOVES THE THE POSTS THEY DONT LIKE, SO IF THIS GAME SEEMS REALLY GOOD IS BECAUSE THEY REMOVE THE BAD COMMENTS, SO DONT BUY THIS GAME AND DONT SUPPORT DEVS LIKE THIS. THEY ARE NOT GOOD AT ALL. THEY DONT SUPPORT FREEDOM OF SPEECH. :mad::(

[TheFrost]

And i hate you now

[Kylescorpion]

And i hate you now

Actually the mods removed ur posts not the dev. Also on the forums when you sign up you agree to follow their rules etc etc thus giving them the right to remove things that break their rules and distrupts the discussion.


Anyways the game looks nice so I wouldn't say it's "overpriced" I've seen worse cost twice or three times more so can't complain that much.

[squarezero]

Ok my posts got deleted? Im really angry now with this thread. What gives you the right to do so? I can say anything i want this is a free world and if i said that this GAME IS OVERPICED, IT IS MY OPINION, 5 DOLLARS IS TOO MUCH FOR ME AND I CAN EXPRESS WHATEVER I WANT. YOU DONT HAVE TO DELETE MY POSTS IF YOU ARE AFRAID OTHERPEOPLE MIGHT CONSIDERS MY WORDS. NOT EVERYTHING IS POSSITIVE, ITS IMPOSSIBLE TO HAVE EVERYONE LIKING THIS GAME. IM REALLY PISSED OFF AND NOW YOU WILL SEE MY RAGE.:mad:

PEOPLE: THESE DEVS REMOVES THE THE POSTS THEY DONT LIKE, SO IF THIS GAME SEEMS REALLY GOOD IS BECAUSE THEY REMOVE THE BAD COMMENTS, SO DONT BUY THIS GAME AND DONT SUPPORT DEVS LIKE THIS. THEY ARE NOT GOOD AT ALL. THEY DONT SUPPORT FREEDOM OF SPEECH. :mad::(
Devs can't remove posts on this thread -- only mods can. And this is a private forum, so the concept of freedom of speech doesn't apply.

[TheFrost]

Actually the mods removed ur posts not the dev. Also on the forums when you sign up you agree to follow their rules etc etc thus giving them the right to remove things thst break their rules and distrupts the discussion.


Anyways the game looks nice so I wouldn't say it's "overpriced" I've seen worse cost twice or three times more so can't complain that much.

But saying its overpriced is my opinion and im entitled to it, its my right. Im not enlgish native speaker so i dont know any other way of saying this

[TheFrost]

I just will leave it be

[S.I.D. CrAzY]

IM REALLY PISSED OFF AND NOW YOU WILL SEE MY RAGE.:mad:




hahaha

Oh lawd, that's my new sig.

[sizzlakalonji]

Gentlemen, prepare the Banhammer!

[adamphetamine]

Devs can't remove posts on this thread -- only mods can. And this is a private forum, so the concept of freedom of speech doesn't apply.
God that thefrost guy is a complete idiot.

[Vovin]

God that thefrost guy is a complete idiot.


I don't like saying thing like this, but somehow, you're right.
I never heard such a complete nonsense before on TA.
I am also sure he must have bitten a few times in his caps-lock key while writing.

And actually it's: Ladies and Gentlemen, prepare the Banhammer!

[MidianGTX]

Some day The Frost is going to be in a situation where he doesn't really mind spending $5 on a game he wants to play anymore, then we'll direct him back to that post and embarrass the s*** outta him. There's a whole lot more crap in here than when I last looked, you guys are really crying the house down ;)

[backtothis]

Buddy, well - no offense intended, but you should really go and see a doctor! :D

Even our "embarassing-huge-pile-of-apps-owner" (who's name I'll not mention because whining is possibly looming ahead) would go green with envy. :p

Rofl, that's not me is it? Is it? No one those are all paid apps though; I don't think there's even 1000 decent paid games yet.

On a different note, LOL WHAT DID I JUST READ BY THEFROST?!?!?!
LOOOOOOOOOL, f**k bro.

[Vovin]

:cool:
Rofl, that's not me is it? Is it? No one those are all paid apps though; I don't think there's even 1000 decent paid games yet.

On a different note, LOL WHAT DID I JUST READ BY THEFROST?!?!?!
LOOOOOOOOOL, f**k bro.


Hmmm... TheFrost already apologized for his behaviour.
He still has to learn a lot about TA.

And no, its not you.
Read the last 15 pages, might give a clue about the person I've meant (but the name has to stay unspoken).

[backtothis]

:cool:



Hmmm... TheFrost already apologized for his behaviour.
He still has to learn a lot about TA.

And no, its not you.
Read the last 15 pages, might give a clue about the person I've meant (but the name has to stay unspoken).

Heh, I'm not calling him out or insulting him. I just found the comments extremely funny, but yeah, true enough.

Oh..him. LOL.

[Vovin]

I bet the devs on TA are reading this thread, too.
They're also have to change their pants regulary. Every 10 pages, I guess.

And the devs say: "Oh my God! :eek: These are our customers? We're screwed!"

And the God of the devs says: "Your wives will starve. Your kids will starve. Even your pets will starve. YOU will starve! Better go develop for PSP or DS."

[natedogg213]

:cool:



Hmmm... TheFrost already apologized for his behaviour.
He still has to learn a lot about TA.

And no, its not you.
Read the last 15 pages, might give a clue about the person I've meant (but the name has to stay unspoken).

Well whaddya know the thread is back and the usual crowd is here posting. Nothing has changed, I love it.

Awesome, I get Voldemort treatment? First off - Vovin - why am I still on your mind? I guess I didn't realize the lasting impression I made. But your dorky obsession aside, owning 6,000 games is a certified addiction and as the other guy said, you'd be hard pressed to find a high percentage of quality games in there, probably loads of free stuff and crap (or he exaggerates). So, no, that nefarious fellow, Natedogg213, is not jealous.

To keep this "price-related," FFIII on the ipad for $16.99. What does everyone think of that? I don't own an ipad but get the impression that ipad games are usually 25-50% more expensive than their iphone brethren. Shouldn't the ipad version be $25-$30 then and not just a single dollar more? I expected that the release of FF3 on the ipad would be the time when they drop the iphone price and maybe I make my buy. But on second though, now that the dust has settled, FFIII is just old news...Bring on Chrono Trigger and skip straight to FFVI (FF3 in the U.S.)!

[MidianGTX]

This thread is gonna be a riot if Chrono Trigger launches at $9.99 or above...

[natedogg213]

I wish it was higher.

Seems like a reasonable thing to say :rolleyes:

[natedogg213]

This thread is gonna be a riot if Chrono Trigger launches at $9.99 or above...

Are they redoing the graphics for CT? Assuming they are not, I would expect it to launch at a price similar to Secret of Mana which was very reasonable (don't recall the exact price though).

[Vovin]

Well whaddya know the thread is back and the usual crowd is here posting. Nothing has changed, I love it.

Awesome, I get Voldemort treatment? First off - Vovin - why am I still on your mind? I guess I didn't realize the lasting impression I made. But your dorky obsession aside, owning 6,000 games is a certified addiction and as the other guy said, you'd be hard pressed to find a high percentage of quality games in there, probably loads of free stuff and crap (or he exaggerates). So, no, that nefarious fellow, Natedogg213, is not jealous.

To keep this "price-related," FFIII on the ipad for $16.99. What does everyone think of that? I don't own an ipad but get the impression that ipad games are usually 25-50% more expensive than their iphone brethren. Shouldn't the ipad version be $25-$30 then and not just a single dollar more? I expected that the release of FF3 on the ipad would be the time when they drop the iphone price and maybe I make my buy. But on second though, now that the dust has settled, FFIII is just old news...Bring on Chrono Trigger and skip straight to FFVI (FF3 in the U.S.)!


Volde-huh?
Hey, chill... I wasn't talking about you, or did you hear your name?

[natedogg213]

Volde-huh?

Really!? Have you been living under a rock in Germany?

[Vovin]

Really!? Have you been living under a rock in Germany?


Yes. Big rock... oh, wait... wasn't that this ugly faced guy from Harry Potter or what?

Seriously, I don't watch TV - and movies are also an exception; when I am terribly bored, for example.

[natedogg213]

Yes. Big rock... oh, wait... wasn't that this ugly faced guy from Harry Potter or what?

Seriously, I don't watch TV - and movies are also an exception; when I am terribly bored, for example.

I hear you, they take away from precious gaming time :D

[jlach]

*clip*

... If the indies are forced to go head to head, then they will likely fail, but apple would likely follow the MS model, and give indies their own section (Apple benefits too).

I pray this doesn't happen. The indie store on the Xbox is somewhat of a joke. Sure, there are a FEW titles that have done semi-well (like you mentioned, Trials). For the most part, however, the indie section of XBLA is ignored.

The fact of the matter is, most "regular" gamers tend to ignore and avoid the indie section if possible. It's a lot like independent films. Sure, the Sundance Film Festival does pretty good. But it's nothing like what the big studios would put out (I'm not sure there is a "big studio only" film festival?). Also, how many people do you know would chose to go spend 5$ to see an indie film instead of 15$ to see a AAA film?

If Apple were to introduce a "Indie App Store" and a "AAA App Store" I think you'll see the indie store fail completely. This would be especially true if the AAA Store required some kind of special license that costs mucho bucks and requires company size and profit requirements (like XBLA does for non-indie games). The quality of the AAA games would be too good to compete with. Because they actually had to spend more than 100$ to develop for the platform they are going to drop more money into their already big budget title.

Look at this way -

You have Pocket Legends (that's that MMO right?) on iOS. It's free, but for this argument let's assume it costs 2.99$. Let's also assume it's quality is less than WoW, but still good and very enjoyable. This game is in the Indie App Store. You also have WoW. It's WoW. A watered down port of the PC/Mac version, but still good and very enjoyable. Let's assume it costs 19.99$.

What game do you think most casual gamers are going to gravitate towards? Do you think Pocket Legends will continue to be as successful as it is competing with WoW?


My whole point is (and I don't know if I was all that clear) that if you split the stores you basically are saying "Here's a store for the not-to-good developers" and "Here's a store of the high quality studios". While it's not true that all indie developers are "not-to-good", unfortunately most people who don't know the market (i.e: casual gamers) equate indie to "not-to-good". Just like those who aren't into filmography equate indie films with "not-to-good".

Just my 2 cents =)

DISCLAIMER: All of the above is based 90% off my opinion and view of the market and of people, 10% is based on first and second knowledge.

[weehoo]

Imagine the amount of profit a sale like this will bring. Keeping games at a ridiculously low price will guarantee the sale from doubters like myself. A developer's hard work can always be appreciated best, and in mass numbers, when the price of admission is low. Instead of looking at the game quality in terms of a singularity with a "this is worth $7" attitude, the developer was finally willing to share his art for cheap, and now everyone is curious to view it. Even with the negative reviews about controls on nearly every other game site, I'm going to get this as well.

[iphoneprogrammer]

Vovin > natedogg213 < Nippy

Those are less than signs btw.

[dumaz1000]

Imagine the amount of profit a sale like this will bring. Keeping games at a ridiculously low price will guarantee the sale from doubters like myself. A developer's hard work can always be appreciated best, and in mass numbers, when the price of admission is low. Instead of looking at the game quality in terms of a singularity with a "this is worth $7" attitude, the developer was finally willing to share his art for cheap, and now everyone is curious to view it. Even with the negative reviews about controls on nearly every other game site, I'm going to get this as well.

I bought Perfect Cell, Bug Heroes, Dead Space, Race to 1977, Starfront Collision, Secred Odyssey, and Uber Racing 3D for a grand total of $5.00

By the way, I've purchased 5 3DS games. 4 of them at 39.99. The other one at half price.

I also bought 3 PSP games, one for $30 and 2 others for $20 a piece.

By no means am I cheap

Fact of the matter is that the appstore has brought this upon itself.

I will may very well never buy an iOS game for more than .99c, no matter what it is.

[backtothis]

I bought Perfect Cell, Bug Heroes, Dead Space, Race to 1977, Starfront Collision, Secred Odyssey, and Uber Racing 3D for a grand total of $5.00

By the way, I've purchased 5 3DS games. 4 of them at 39.99. The other one at half price.

I also bought 3 PSP games, one for $30 and 2 others for $20 a piece.

By no means am I cheap

Fact of the matter is that the appstore has brought this upon itself.

I will may very well never buy an iOS game for more than .99c, no matter what it is.

1. That's terrible logic.
2. The AppStore didn't "bring" anything upon itself.
3. http://forums.toucharcade.com/showthread.php?t=88443

[dumaz1000]

1. That's terrible logic.
2. The AppStore didn't "bring" anything upon itself.
3. http://forums.toucharcade.com/showthread.php?t=88443

I spend hundreds of dollars on premium appstore games. I own 400+ apps. I bought dozens of games for 9.99. I did this countless times for a period of two years. The content did not improve. It only worsened. As time goes on, these so-called premium games offer less and less content, and sell at cheaper and cheaper prices. EA started selling their games at 9.99 a piece. Now they are selling many of their games a 4.99. Of course the 4.99 games offer less content than the 9.99 games.

I fought the law and the law won. Hey, if you can't beat them, join them. You can buy all the high priced apps you want, it will never change the casual gaming mentality of the appstore. It will not prevent devs from racing to the bottom. Trust me. It's not terrible logic to save yourself some money and just wait and buy every single one of these games for a dollar. Because they will go to .99c. Every single one of them, without fail, will sell eventually for .99c. You are not going to improve the situation at all by paying full price for these games. Trust me. It's a road I've been down more times than you can count. You might as well just take your money and chuck it straight into the garbage can.

[Ruby Murray]

Very true. But it's getting like the AAA titles on gaming consoles. Heck Homefront dropped $20 in a week after it got released. Savvy gamers never need pay top dollar again. I guess it depends whether you are an early adopter or not. I can wait if it means saving a bit. And it's not like we don't have enough games to play.

[backtothis]

I spend hundreds of dollars on premium appstore games. I own 400+ apps. I bought dozens of games for 9.99. I did this countless times for a period of two years. The content did not improve. It only worsened. As time goes on, these so-called premium games offer less and less content, and sell at cheaper and cheaper prices. EA started selling their games at 9.99 a piece. Now they are selling many of their games a 4.99. Of course the 4.99 games offer less content than the 9.99 games.

I fought the law and the law won. Hey, if you can't beat them, join them. You can buy all the high priced apps you want, it will never change the casual gaming mentality of the appstore. It will not prevent devs from racing to the bottom. Trust me. It's not terrible logic to save yourself some money and just wait and buy every single one of these games for a dollar. Because they will go to .99c. Every single one of them, without fail, will sell eventually for .99c. You are not going to improve the situation at all by paying full price for these games. Trust me. It's a road I've been down more times than you can count. You might as well just take your money and chuck it straight into the garbage can.

Hey, man, I know exactly what it feels like. I just posted a lengthy post in the "Mass..." thread on how much I've spent total in the past 27 months on iOS games, which turns out to be nearly $1500 after an hour of calculations.

But honestly, not everything you say is true. The iOS market is moving forward at an exponential rate. If you really think games are still the same quality they were in 2009 and even 2010, that's simply just untrue. Even casual games have evolved quite significantly since those times. Prices are indeed lower now, but content has gone up, not down. Quality has gone up, not down.

Your second paragraph is much more accurate though. It's true. The AppStore is a place where the mentality on prices has never been seen before in any video game industry. It's a cheap place. The consumer base is cheap. The devs can do nothing but respond by using flexible prices. I guess in a way, I am throwing away quite a bit of money. But still, I have faith in the iOS. I'm going to keep with it for a while longer, and hopefully, I won't be disappointed. In any case, I like getting games as soon as they're out. I try to keep up with all of the new releases.

I'm getting a 3DS this weekend. After 27 months of using my iPods as the only portable console for gaming, I'm finally trying something new. I played the PSP for quite a while before switching over to the iOS. Let's see how this goes.

[natedogg213]

I'm getting a 3DS this weekend. After 27 months of using my iPods as the only portable console for gaming, I'm finally trying something new. I played the PSP for quite a while before switching over to the iOS. Let's see how this goes.

My god, why!? Talk about throwing money into a garbage can. Have fun playing nintendogs and pokemon in "3d.". At least consider waiting until
The NGP is released.

[MidianGTX]

You are not going to improve the situation at all by paying full price for these games.

Really? So, if no one had bought any EA games for more than a dollar, do you think we'd have almost 100 games from them on the App Store? I doubt it. If their games had bombed and only done moderately well like most devs, they just wouldn't have bothered. They don't need the App Store to survive, they're only using it because it brings in a profit, and it's bringing in a profit because people are paying for their slightly more expensive games. The same goes for other big publishers.

My god, why!? Talk about throwing money into a garbage can. Have fun playing nintendogs and pokemon in "3d.". At least consider waiting until
The NGP is released.

Mario is due soon. After the success of Galaxy and seeing that ominous tail on the end of the concept logo, any gamer would have to be mad not to get some hands-on time with that.

[ImNoSuperMan]

I bought dozens of games for 9.99. I did this countless times for a period of two years. The content did not improve. It only worsened. As time goes on, these so-called premium games offer less and less content, and sell at cheaper and cheaper prices.
I dont think you have any idea what you're talking about.

[natedogg213]

Really? So, if no one had bought any EA games for more than a dollar, do you think we'd have almost 100 games from them on the App Store? I doubt it. If their games had bombed and only done moderately well like most devs, they just wouldn't have bothered. They don't need the App Store to survive, they're only using it because it brings in a profit, and it's bringing in a profit because people are paying for their slightly more expensive games. The same goes for other big publishers.



Mario is due soon. After the success of Galaxy and seeing that ominous tail on the end of the concept logo, any gamer would have to be mad not to get some hands-on time with that.

I had quite a bit of hands on time with the 3DS. Nintendo set up a 3 week long "test cube" where I worked in Chicago and I had the opportunity to play a few of their games, including Street Fighter and some Submarine game before the 3DS was released. From the unimproved, dated graphics to the gimmicky 3D, I came away unimpressed. If I had kids it would be a great product to get but Nintendo seems to have no problem completely abandoning gamers age 20 or over. It started with the Wii and continues with the 3DS. Like the head guy at Sony said, and I paraphrase, what self respecting 20-something wants to be seen playing the 3DS!?

[MidianGTX]

I had quite a bit of hands on time with the 3DS. Nintendo set up a 3 week long "test cube" where I worked in Chicago and I had the opportunity to play a few of their games, including Street Fighter and some Submarine game before the 3DS was released. From the unimproved, dated graphics to the gimmicky 3D, I came away unimpressed. If I had kids it would be a great product to get but Nintendo seems to have no problem completely abandoning gamers age 20 or over. It started with the Wii and continues with the 3DS. Like the head guy at Sony said, and I paraphrase, what self respecting 20-something wants to be seen playing the 3DS!?

I agree with 3D being a gimmick, but that doesn't change how good the games are. The 3DS has a ton of really good 3rd party support from the likes of EA and Capcom and even interest from some of the popular indie devs such as Team Meat and 2D Boy. That's some impressive backing already, if they can deliver the games it'll be pure gold. The biggest problem with the Wii was the lack of support and the poor library, the 3DS just needs to overcome that to be worthwhile.

I'm not sure how the graphics are dated either, it's only just come out and already it's show examples of blowing the iPhone away (Stree Fighter IV being the main/best example) but you play games on that.

I'm a self-respecting 20-something but I'm also into gaming journalism and the business behind everything, and Nintendo make some BIG games. To miss out on them would just be a huge hole in my knowledge I don't really want to work around. I don't own a 3DS yet because of the price but I'm determined to get some quality time with the games somehow.

[falken]

Just throwing my 2 cents in to this train wreck. :)

I'm fairly new to the iOS platform, I got the iPad 2 on launch day and that was my first device. I had fully expected to pay $10-$25 for some of the higher quality games and was going to have no problem doing so.

However, I quickly noticed that any higher priced game goes on sale fairly often. I have so many games at this point I see no point in buying a game when the price point is over $2.99, I just wait for a sale... and you don't have to wait long.

If the premium games had been priced at $10-$25 and rarely went on sale I would gladly have bought the ones I was interested in, I now find myself scofing at a $4.99 game as being "too expensive". It is what I have quickly been conditioned to pay.

[Eduku]

Like the head guy at Sony said, and I paraphrase, what self respecting 20-something wants to be seen playing the 3DS!?

Pretty sure that statement got him condemned by gamers and sites alike as pretty much BS. Maybe he was trying to appeal to really insecure people.

[triggywiggy]

I dont think you have any idea what you're talking about.

Im with you there mate. He doesn't have a clue what he is on about. Premium games losing quality, Not in a lifetime. There only going to get better and better.

[backtothis]

My god, why!? Talk about throwing money into a garbage can. Have fun playing nintendogs and pokemon in "3d.". At least consider waiting until
The NGP is released.

Haha, man, mainly just to play Pokemon Black/White. Yeah, I'm a little embarrassed, but I haven't played a Pokemon game since the days of crystal version on the GBC. Plus, I grew up playing mario on the SNES and GBC, and haven't played anything recent from the series, gotta see how much has changed. Plus, none of my friends really play games on their iPods, but generally everyone has a DS. Not sure why. I think you're wrong though about the graphics. The 3DS actually outshines the iOS in every way when it comes to this department. I started out portable gaming with my second gen. PSP, then moved on to the iPod. Going to try out what Nintendo has to offer now, but hopefully, I don't move on from the iOS in a similar fashion. Haha, like that's going to happen though.

[DavidGQ]

These idiots that gave 1 star review because of the price and not universal. I mean, before they bought the game, they didn't know how much it costs? If too expensive, then don't buy. What you want to see in reviews are the game itself.

[yongkykun]

These idiots that gave 1 star review because of the price and not universal. I mean, before they bought the game, they didn't know how much it costs? If too expensive, then don't buy. What you want to see in reviews are the game itself.

They bought it because they love the game, the concept, the music, etc. They hate it because it is published by a huge corporation whose only gain is to get as much profit as possible. As long as you're happy being a part of capitalism, you won't be able to understand those whom you refer to as 'idiots'. Though to be fair, to us, you're the idiot.

[Kai555]

They bought it because they love the game, the concept, the music, etc. They hate it because it is published by a huge corporation whose only gain is to get as much profit as possible. As long as you're happy being a part of capitalism, you won't be able to understand those whom you refer to as 'idiots'. Though to be fair, to us, you're the idiot.

I bet you are one of the people who gave 1 star.

[yongkykun]

I bet you are one of the people who gave 1 star.

On the contrary, gave it 5 stars on the iPhone version, but been playing it on my iPad w/ fullforce on.

[Fe1]

They bought it because they love the game, the concept, the music, etc. They hate it because it is published by a huge corporation whose only gain is to get as much profit as possible. As long as you're happy being a part of capitalism, you won't be able to understand those whom you refer to as 'idiots'. Though to be fair, to us, you're the idiot.

And in communism, you wouldn't even have the opportunity to buy an iPad and its attendant silly games. Good luck on your move to North Korea.

[pka4916]

Those 1 star people are lame.. There is always someone out there who
wants it universal.. and saying that it's not fair, cause the paid for the Iphone version already..
How about google, there was plenty info about the Ipad version.

[STYJ]

Seriously wtf ?

** FREE 3-MONTH SUBSCRIPTION GRANTED at your first log in! Then you can renew your allegiance for only $0.99/month, $1.99 for 3 months or $2.99 for 6 months! **

Subscription for iPhone MMORPG ? Lmao . This has got to be my joke of the day .

[Vovin]

Seriously wtf ?



Subscription for iPhone MMORPG ? Lmao . This has got to be my joke of the day .


Why? This is normal for an MMORPG. A bunch of iPhone browserMMO's have it, too.
And it keeps the free-to-play-idiots away.

It's cheap, 3 bucks for whole 6 months subscription. WoW takes three times as much per month. And when GL brings content updates, even better. Severs, staff, content programmer and game masters also cost some money.

Anyway, your comment (with mine) will soon disappear from this thread.

The world seems to be quite big with all these different zones.

Well, who would have guessed that Gameloft is the first on the finishing line when it comes to a 3D iOS MMORPG?

[STYJ]

Why? This is normal for an MMORPG. A bunch of iPhone browserMMO's have it, too.
And it keeps the free-to-play-idiots away.

It's cheap, 3 bucks for whole 6 months subscription. WoW takes three times as much per month. And when GL brings content updates, even better. Severs, staff, content programmer and game masters also cost some money.

Anyway, your comment (with mine) will soon disappear from this thread.

The world seems to be quite big with all these different zones.

Well, who would have guessed that Gameloft is the first on the finishing line when it comes to a 3D iOS MMORPG?

Well yeah , not that I can't afford 3 dollars but I just don't like subscription based games (: Same reason why I don't play WoW . I just don't think it's worth it anyway . However , Eve on the other hand is an exception . Even though I've never paid for it , I'd gladly pay for it . Cause I'm a sci fi freak .

Thing with subscription is that I can get something that's even better without paying for it e.g. guild wars 2 .

[slighmd]

wait a minute. BETA? is this really a beta? then why do you have to pay for it?

[KiddToKmart]

wait a minute. BETA? is this really a beta? then why do you have to pay for it?

Same reason people paid for the PC version of Crysis 2 :rolleyes:

[stlredbird]

5 runes for $0.99
30 runes for $4.99
95 runes for $14.99
320 runes for $49.99
650 runes for $99.99

Wait, there's IAP on top of a subscription?

I just died a little inside.

If you can buy your way to being the best then I may not stay long past the included free subscription period.

[Diablohead]

if you can only buy runes with real money then there is little point to trying to charge monthly rates too, rather upsetting :/

Even if its expensive with in game currency I hope some of those items or runes can be bought and traded by the rich :P

[Casmi]

I was so excited about this game until I saw the monthly fee plus IAP. I would rather a little higher monthly fee with no IAP. That way every one starts on the same page and has to work toward the best of game. I can see "elitist" buying all the IAP to have the best gear then pricing the trade-able or auction house items they collect out of reach for everyone who chooses to play without IAP. That is the same thing that happens in most of the MMORPGs I have played when Gold sellers/buyers start their cycle.

[Inhouse]

This game is a little bit expensive... :/

[backtothis]

Why? This is normal for an MMORPG. A bunch of iPhone browserMMO's have it, too.
And it keeps the free-to-play-idiots away.

It's cheap, 3 bucks for whole 6 months subscription. WoW takes three times as much per month. And when GL brings content updates, even better. Severs, staff, content programmer and game masters also cost some money.

Anyway, your comment (with mine) will soon disappear from this thread.

The world seems to be quite big with all these different zones.

Well, who would have guessed that Gameloft is the first on the finishing line when it comes to a 3D iOS MMORPG?
+1

I thought this was a great move by Gameloft, although it's a little on the cheap side. If I'm reading it right, it's saying you get 3 months for free..that's actually kind of disappointing if it means you get 3 months for free just by downloading the game. It's going to be another game littered with idiots if that's the case. Am I right in my interpretation? Please don't tell me it's another free game MMORPG..

Edit: The flat rate is $6.99, excellent. I just hope the iAP aren't bullshit.

[Diablohead]

This game is a little bit expensive... :/

I just hope that ingame stuff is open for all somehow, then it will be a lot better.

[adamphetamine]

It's not exspensive at all. A dollar a month? Come on people... The game is huge And costs alot to make and keep servers running then add on updates etc. I really don't know how u people can possibly think it's too expensive. Man alive! Btw the game is freaking awesome so far. Well worth 7 bucks Nd a lousy dollar a month after free time. Jeez people will never not complain.

[Royce]

It's not exspensive at all. A dollar a month? Come on people... The game is huge And costs alot to make and keep servers running then add on updates etc. I really don't know how u people can possibly think it's too expensive. Man alive! Btw the game is freaking awesome so far. Well worth 7 bucks Nd a lousy dollar a month after free time. Jeez people will never not complain.

A buck a month is fine. The question that remains for me is how necessary and how expensive the IAPs will end up being. I would imagine that will be the primary cost for this game, but maybe that's not the case.

[Pacificsun0481]

It's not exspensive at all. A dollar a month? Come on people... The game is huge And costs alot to make and keep servers running then add on updates etc. I really don't know how u people can possibly think it's too expensive. Man alive! Btw the game is freaking awesome so far. Well worth 7 bucks Nd a lousy dollar a month after free time. Jeez people will never not complain.


I don't think it's the subscription fee people are up in arms over.

It seems more likely the gold and runes as IAP are the likely culprits. People here are wondering if the game will keep real players out of reach for success, when compared to those who can afford the gold and runes cost.

The question remains can gold and runes be earned, or only purchased? If earn able, are they sparse?

Does it work like Infinity Blade IAP gold, where it's slow at first - yet gold, is frequent and definitely attainable without purchase several bloodlines in?

People want to play and not be decimated by those who've bought their way to the top.

[incineratee]

I was so excited about this game until I saw the monthly fee plus IAP. I would rather a little higher monthly fee with no IAP. That way every one starts on the same page and has to work toward the best of game. I can see "elitist" buying all the IAP to have the best gear then pricing the trade-able or auction house items they collect out of reach for everyone who chooses to play without IAP. That is the same thing that happens in most of the MMORPGs I have played when Gold sellers/buyers start their cycle.

I can't agree with you more.

[backtothis]

Am I interpreting the info correctly? Is it saying you get three months free just for downloading the game? If that's the case, my interest just went from incredibly high to zero. Not interested in playing another MMORPG with a bunch of idiots. Also, if the iAP are anything more than just cool looking items, then count me completely out. Gameloft should have had at least a $0.99 flat rate to download the game, unless I'm interpreting the price model wrong somehow.

[Rain1dog]

Am I interpreting the info correctly? Is it saying you get three months free just for downloading the game? If that's the case, my interest just went from incredibly high to zero. Not interested in playing another MMORPG with a bunch of idiots. Also, if the iAP are anything more than just cool looking items, then count me completely out. Gameloft should have had at least a $0.99 flat rate to download the game, unless I'm interpreting the price model wrong somehow.
It's 6.99 to download.

[backtothis]

It's 6.99 to download.

Excellent. Thank you for the reply.

[Casmi]

[I don't think it's the subscription fee people are up in arms over.

It seems more likely the gold and runes as IAP are the likely culprits. People here are wondering if the game will keep real players out of reach for success, when compared to those who can afford the gold and runes cost.]

That is definitely my biggest set back. I can afford the IAP, but I don't play MMOs for that reason. I want to have to earn the equipment/skills/etc. with others that have the same goal. If people can buy their way to the top, then the get bored with no "end game" content and stop supporting the game. I have no problem with paying a monthly fee for a quality game that is continuously supported, but the decision of additional IAP is baffling to me. I understand the goal for Gameloft is to make all the money they can, however, the current game model completely turns me off.

[backtothis]

[QUOTE=Pacificsun0481;1705106]I don't think it's the subscription fee people are up in arms over.

It seems more likely the gold and runes as IAP are the likely culprits. People here are wondering if the game will keep real players out of reach for success, when compared to those who can afford the gold and runes cost.

That is definitely my biggest set back. I can afford the IAP, but I don't play MMOs for that reason. I want to have to earn the equipment/skills/etc. with others that have the same goal. If people can buy their way to the top, then the get bored with no "end game" content and stop supporting the game. I have no problem with paying a monthly fee for a quality game that is continuously supported, but the decision of additional IAP is baffling to me. I understand the goal for Gameloft is to make all the money they can, however, the current game model completely turns me off.

Exactly, let's hope for the best.

[Inhouse]

[I don't think it's the subscription fee people are up in arms over.

It seems more likely the gold and runes as IAP are the likely culprits. People here are wondering if the game will keep real players out of reach for success, when compared to those who can afford the gold and runes cost.]

That is definitely my biggest set back. I can afford the IAP, but I don't play MMOs for that reason. I want to have to earn the equipment/skills/etc. with others that have the same goal. If people can buy their way to the top, then the get bored with no "end game" content and stop supporting the game. I have no problem with paying a monthly fee for a quality game that is continuously supported, but the decision of additional IAP is baffling to me. I understand the goal for Gameloft is to make all the money they can, however, the current game model completely turns me off. Quotequotequote !!!!

[TitanicMuncher]

I wonder how hard it is to get runes... and I only have $20 to spend left on my iTunes giftcard, and this game's initial cost is $7, then $3 for my monthly subscription, then who knows how much more for IAP... I think they should make servers for IAP buyers and non-IAP buyers so that everyone on the same server is equal. Cuz I don't want to play with people who buy there way to the top. What do you guys think?

[stlredbird]

That is definitely my biggest set back. I can afford the IAP, but I don't play MMOs for that reason. I want to have to earn the equipment/skills/etc. with others that have the same goal. If people can buy their way to the top, then the get bored with no "end game" content and stop supporting the game. I have no problem with paying a monthly fee for a quality game that is continuously supported, but the decision of additional IAP is baffling to me. I understand the goal for Gameloft is to make all the money they can, however, the current game model completely turns me off.

ditto... TO THE EXTREME!!!!:mad:

[adamphetamine]

I dint like or support iap for this game but whatever. I'm not going to skip playing this game because of it. If people want to buy their way up than it's their agenda and I could care less really. Focus on yourself and play and enjoy the game how you want and dont worry so much what others may or may not do and buy. It's Ur game so play it as u wish.

[superzarop]

I dint like or support iap for this game but whatever. I'm not going to skip playing this game because of it. If people want to buy their way up than it's their agenda and I could care less really. Focus on yourself and play and enjoy the game how you want and dont worry so much what others may or may not do and buy. It's Ur game so play it as u wish.
Amen to that.

[Casmi]

I dint like or support iap for this game but whatever. I'm not going to skip playing this game because of it. If people want to buy their way up than it's their agenda and I could care less really. Focus on yourself and play and enjoy the game how you want and dont worry so much what others may or may not do and buy. It's Ur game so play it as u wish.

I understand what you are saying, but in the bigger picture, IAP can kill the economy in the game making the initial leveling process horrendous for the people who choose not to use IAP. Example: Player A buys all the IAP possible and can collect crafting material at will. They then set their own price for said material, generally out of reach of people who did not purchase IAP, because they eventually will not want to by more gold through IAP. So, their source now becomes collecting gold through other players and the goods they can jack the price up on.

IAP in MMOs is like having your own printing press.

[Creepshow]

Had they kept it at monthly paid subscription, I'd be okay with that.
The prices are affordable and realistic for an iDevice game.

But, with the fact that there's IAP's (other than pets/vanity items),
then the game has failed in my eyes. Rich players get to profit much more
than people who choose not or aren't able to spend additional money on IAPs.

So much for making a fair/balanced experience.
Can't you already see the favoritism scenarios?

General chat: "Looking for Tank for XXX Monster":
Player Tank (A) with all IAP's "I'm ready pick me!"
Player Tank (B) with no IAP's "I'm ready pick me!"

Gee I wonder which one will get a group faster or be chosen. :rolleyes:

How fair/balanced will PVP be for a fully powered up IAP players vs.
a non-IAP players?

[MidianGTX]

General chat: "Looking for Tank for XXX Monster":
Player Tank (A) with all IAP's "I'm ready pick me!"
Player Tank (B) with no IAP's "I'm ready pick me!"

Sounds just like every MMO out there. WoW and it's ilk all have thriving markets for gold and character selling. It's not official or encouraged but it's there. If someone wants to cheat their way to level 70 they can, and it'd likely give them the edge over a lower level character. There's nothing new about this game doing it other than the fact it seems to be encouraged. The problem with non-IAP gameplay being slow is valid, but this one not so much unless you're referring to MMOs as a whole, and that's not something an iOS developer is likely to try and fix.

[yongkykun]

And in communism, you wouldn't even have the opportunity to buy an iPad and its attendant silly games. Good luck on your move to North Korea.

What part of my post has anything to do with communism? Are you daft?

[Meldor]

Had they kept it at monthly paid subscription, I'd be okay with that.
The prices are affordable and realistic for an iDevice game.

But, with the fact that there's IAP's (other than pets/vanity items),
then the game has failed in my eyes. Rich players get to profit much more
than people who choose not or aren't able to spend additional money on IAPs.

How fair/balanced will PVP be for a fully powered up IAP players vs.
a non-IAP players?

Couldn't agree more. Really disappointed by this.
And yes, there are gold sellers in wow, and but people who buy gold are in a little minority, they often banned, and account selling has almost been made impossible since battle.net account merging.

[MidianGTX]

Couldn't agree more. Really disappointed by this.
And yes, there are gold sellers in wow, and but people who buy gold are in a little minority, they often banned, and account selling has almost been made impossible since battle.net account merging.

Alright, so let's assume they weren't banned... it affects you how? Whether they did it over the course of 60 seconds or 60 days, there are always going to be people who are a higher level than you. The end result is the same.

[AchillesReborn]

They bought it because they love the game, the concept, the music, etc. They hate it because it is published by a huge corporation whose only gain is to get as much profit as possible. As long as you're happy being a part of capitalism, you won't be able to understand those whom you refer to as 'idiots'. Though to be fair, to us, you're the idiot.

What are you talking about? You are acting as if owning a game is a divine right. If they don't want to pay for the game, they don't have to. But to act as if they deserve the game at a lower price is ridiculous. They deserve absolutely nothing. AT ALL. It doesn't matter how much they love the game, they don't DESERVE the game. Such a claim is greedy in itself.

WAA I WANT THE GAME, BUT I DON'T WANT TO PAY FOR IT. IT SHOULD BE CHEAPER BECAUSE I CAN'T AFFORD IT BUT I 'DESERVE IT'/I CAN AFFORD IT BUT I WANT OTHER GAMES/I'VE ABITRARILY DECIDED THAT THE DEVELOPER OWES ME IN SOME RIDICULOUS WAY......etc.

Pathetic.

[Meldor]

Alright, so let's assume they weren't banned... it affects you how? Whether they did it over the course of 60 seconds or 60 days, there are always going to be people who are a higher level than you. The end result is the same.

No if they have earned they gear/pvp ranking of whatever, that's completely fine.
It just kills ingame competition to have an item-shop, it makes it unfair.

[Mythbuster]

What are you talking about? You are acting as if owning a game is a divine right. If they don't want to pay for the game, they don't have to. But to act as if they deserve the game at a lower price is ridiculous. They deserve absolutely nothing. AT ALL. It doesn't matter how much they love the game, they don't DESERVE the game. Such a claim is greedy in itself.

WAA I WANT THE GAME, BUT I DON'T WANT TO PAY FOR IT. IT SHOULD BE CHEAPER BECAUSE I CAN'T AFFORD IT BUT I 'DESERVE IT'/I CAN AFFORD IT BUT I WANT OTHER GAMES/I'VE ABITRARILY DECIDED THAT THE DEVELOPER OWES ME IN SOME RIDICULOUS WAY......etc.

Pathetic.

+1 ....

[xxteargodxx]

Wait..what? There's a base price of $6.99 a subscription price after that (When the 3 months are up) PLUS in app purchases? I sure as hell hope those in app purchases are only for bonus/vanity items like weapons & clothes & such.

I feel if I buy an app AND pay a subscription fee on top of that, I should be entitled to play the game to it's fullest without having to pay for in app purchases to upgrade my character's stats.

[backtothis]

Wait..what? There's a base price of $6.99 a subscription price after that (When the 3 months are up) PLUS in app purchases? I sure as hell hope those in app purchases are only for bonus/vanity items like weapons & clothes & such.

I feel if I buy an app AND pay a subscription fee on top of that, I should be entitled to play the game to it's fullest without having to pay for in app purchases to upgrade my character's stats.
Don't worry, that's what everyone is hoping for.

[Jdragoon19]

Wait..what? There's a base price of $6.99 a subscription price after that (When the 3 months are up) PLUS in app purchases? I sure as hell hope those in app purchases are only for bonus/vanity items like weapons & clothes & such.

I feel if I buy an app AND pay a subscription fee on top of that, I should be entitled to play the game to it's fullest without having to pay for in app purchases to upgrade my character's stats.

ya i think thats how it works for order and chaos though... plus it looks like a rly good mmorpg btw

[kordos]

Hey guys, wanted to chime in here - I'm developing a f2p mmo, and one of the things my partner and I are struggling with is how to make a profitable operation out of an f2p game.

The themes I see emerging from your discussion are:


Paying a monthly fee is reasonable
Vanity / pets (cosmetic) is grudgingly accepted
Paying for any in-game competitive advantage (e.g. loot) is totally unacceptable
Paying for an XP bonus is bad if it takes away an opportunity from a legit XP-earner


What are your thoughts on the following? (some are in O&C, some aren't):


Paying for expanded inventory slots (personal enhancements that other players don't see)
Paying for team-based abilities like creating a guild
Paying for "lottery tickets" for loot that can also be earned in-game
Paying for time-saving unrelated to XP; like fast travel for example


The struggle we have is that charging high subscription fees presents a huge _marketing_ problem; it's hard to get people to even try your game. That's why everyone aims for f2p, and then uses IAP (which is more heavily used by players with disposable income) to fund the entire game for everyone.

Definitely interested to get any feedback you guys have.

-K

[DavidGQ]

They bought it because they love the game, the concept, the music, etc. They hate it because it is published by a huge corporation whose only gain is to get as much profit as possible. As long as you're happy being a part of capitalism, you won't be able to understand those whom you refer to as 'idiots'. Though to be fair, to us, you're the idiot.

So I guess you ARE one of those IDIOTS!!!! Gee, I thought these companies spent money and time making these games so you all CHEAP SKATES can get them for free. It's like buyingt a BMW for $60,000 and then complain about the price of the car and wish it's the same as a Camry.

WHAT I DO UNDERSTAND is if I like the game enough and think the price is fair, then I will buy it. So get a clue next time when you try to teach someone who is older than you about life. Maybe finish HS first will be nice.

And son, in the USA, "us" is plural. You are not "us". Maybe in North Korea where they teach you English might be :rolleyes:

[Fe1]

What part of my post has anything to do with communism? Are you daft?

Another commenter answered much better than I, about this topic, above.

Suffice it to say that if you don't like how capitalism works, with its notions of supply/demand and letting the market set the price, you are more than welcome to go to countries where there are pricing controls -- like North Korea.

As for me, $16.99 is too rich for my blood; and that's why I await a fire sale. That, too, is a part of capitalism.

[yongkykun]

What are you talking about? You are acting as if owning a game is a divine right. If they don't want to pay for the game, they don't have to. But to act as if they deserve the game at a lower price is ridiculous. They deserve absolutely nothing. AT ALL. It doesn't matter how much they love the game, they don't DESERVE the game. Such a claim is greedy in itself.

WAA I WANT THE GAME, BUT I DON'T WANT TO PAY FOR IT. IT SHOULD BE CHEAPER BECAUSE I CAN'T AFFORD IT BUT I 'DESERVE IT'/I CAN AFFORD IT BUT I WANT OTHER GAMES/I'VE ABITRARILY DECIDED THAT THE DEVELOPER OWES ME IN SOME RIDICULOUS WAY......etc.

Pathetic.

What are you on about? Divine right? Deserve? What are you thinking? Are you saying that you believe that game companies get to decide what we buy? You're right, we don't have to pay if we don't want to buy it, but that's not my point now is it? My point is, and this goes to any industry (i.e movie), people come up with ideas, put their creativity and passion into it, but there are corporate people who decide how much they want to charge for it regardless of the quality of the end product.

And to the bloke who compares my point with communism and North Korea, well I say that you need to educate yourself more instead of generalising and going to the extreme. Centralized governmentship is bad, everyone knows that, but how is that related to my personal hatred towards capitalism? I'm a humanist and people like you is the reason why I feel ashamed to consider myself a human being. Because people like you think that poverty is good because 99% of money owned by 1% of the population is good (which is brought about by capitalism). Have you ever worked? Or do you live with your mommy and daddy's money?

Bottom line is, there are thousands of apps out there, mostly games, but would you buy two of the same at different price? To what end would you say that devs should not make their games universal? At the end of the day, the platform is one and the same, iOS. Would you like it if I were to suggest to Apple to make iPod Touch and iPhone games as separate platforms? Would you want all games to be iPod Touch only, iPhone only, and iPad only through and through? If you still don't get my point then forget it.

[pka4916]

Can we just talk about the game again?
All I see is ranting about prices etc..

[Fe1]

And to the bloke who compares my point with communism and North Korea

I'm a woman, you irredeemably narrow-minded little person. All you do is come to this thread just to call others fools for their economic philosophies, and throw puerile insults in defense of your notions. I wish moderators would delete all these comments, including mine.

It has NOTHING to do with this game.

[Romeo Longsword]

Sorry to hear this. See I wasn't aware of the addon until it release today. Wasn't even aware of your game. You should have timed your sales better with the release and media buzz of the addon.

You are right on one thing, you are loosing a sale as I will not buy the game at full price. Your are probably right to say that 1$/hour of entertainment is good, but in reality, with the same 10$, I could buy multiple games that will provide me with maybe 10times the entertainment of your game.

I love space sims, I'll probably get around at buying your game if it ever goes on sales again as long ad something better and similar doesn't come along.

I agree to be honest.

The $1 per hour rule is highly unacceptable to me, it is a little bit egotistic to think your game deserves that value of rating while many other great games are cheaper and would at least match the quality of GOF2 and it's play hours.

I brought GOF2, it's expansion, as well as another space trader game called Wrapgate, they all fall into the same format, and at certain point the game you dominate the galaxy with little left to explore, you get extremely rich by repeating a certain trade route. Nor any of them actually have a good storyline.

You could name this a clone and in time players who have experienced these games already would likely not buy another clone at such price in the future.

[STYJ]

Going with your analogy , why do people buy first class / business class tickets when they can get the economy class ones when it still brings you from one place to another ?

Why buy a $3,000 watch when a $10 one will do exactly the same thing ?

The $1 per hour rule is highly unacceptable to me, it is a little bit egotistic to think your game deserves that value of rating Go tell that to the different brands .

If $1 per hour is highly unacceptable then why is the movie industry so big then ? There're both there to provide you with entertainment . Generally, how long is a movie ? And how much does it cost ? Now which is more expensive ?

Deal with it . That's life and humans are like that .

Oh and , GOF2 doesn't have a good storyline ? I'm guessing a lot of us don't know how to differentiate a good storyline from a bad one then .

[dacalo]

I agree to be honest.

The $1 per hour rule is highly unacceptable to me, it is a little bit egotistic to think your game deserves that value of rating while many other great games are cheaper and would at least match the quality of GOF2 and it's play hours.

I brought GOF2, it's expansion, as well as another space trader game called Wrapgate, they all fall into the same format, and at certain point the game you dominate the galaxy with little left to explore, you get extremely rich by repeating a certain trade route. Nor any of them actually have a good storyline.

You could name this a clone and in time players who have experienced these games already would likely not buy another clone at such price in the future.

Oh boy here we go again about prices. Are average TA members 13 year old teenagers? $10 is not a lot of money for a game like this. It's less than one meal eating out, or a couple of cups of coffee. If you can afford an iPod touch/iPhone/iPad, you can afford $10. It's like someone buying a BMW and complaining about gas. Or someone buying a PS3 and complaining how expensive the games are.

[yongkykun]

It has NOTHING to do with this game.

I reckon that's about the only thing that we can both agree upon. We do need to keep threads like this focused more on the game, but I WILL NOT let anyone say anything bad about other people saying anything good/bad about the pricing for these games. Call me narrow-minded if you will, but you'll find me in person completely the other way around. I've been right and I've also been wrong, and I always change to reflect the right and just view. BTW, if you're so enlightened about the current economical ramblings of the world that we live in now, do enlighten us instead of simply insulting me. And I insult those who made the first offence. I don't go around insulting people and you can ask anyone who knows me and they will attest to that. Never mind your gender, at the end of the day it is our brain that's responsible for our world views.

BTW, on the other thread, iPhoneprogrammer posted a guide for this game. Quite useful in many ways;
http://forums.toucharcade.com/showpost.php?p=1672009&postcount=26

[Mythbuster]

Call me narrow-minded if you will

I want and I do! He, we want to talk about the game! Your posting are 90% offTopic and nobody want's to read it ... :mad:

@the rest: Please do not feed the troll. Let's talk about the game and ignore the rest ... any maybe the mods will do something ...

[yongkykun]

So I guess you ARE one of those IDIOTS!!!! Gee, I thought these companies spent money and time making these games so you all CHEAP SKATES can get them for free. It's like buyingt a BMW for $60,000 and then complain about the price of the car and wish it's the same as a Camry.

WHAT I DO UNDERSTAND is if I like the game enough and think the price is fair, then I will buy it. So get a clue next time when you try to teach someone who is older than you about life. Maybe finish HS first will be nice.

And son, in the USA, "us" is plural. You are not "us". Maybe in North Korea where they teach you English might be :rolleyes:

Idiot am I? What part of my post said anything about me wanting the game to be FREE? I wouldn't buy a BMW, btw, I do my bit for the planet, not lifestyle. I was defending any person's right to get equal treatment.

What you DO understand is something anyone does, no point in being happy and arrogant about it. So you're actually older than me? Geezers like you should've realized that I don't speak english in my everyday life. I'm Indonesian, so your idea of US being superior doesn't really do me much. Did you know that in Australia (where I live at the moment), we pay more than you do on app store? For this game, you pay US$16.99 whereas Australians pay AU$19.99, which is the equivalent of US$21.8. But you don't care about that do you? To you the App Store currency policy is fair, right? This as-long-as-it-doesn't-concern-US mentality is doing my head in. Even back in late 80's and early 90's that kind of mentality made some of my friends hate US. Like most, people are drawn to this game because it's FINAL FANTASY. Some complain about the game not being universal because it has no point to it. As I have pointed out, unless you want to have a separate app for each iOS device, then don't diss those people out.

Want to get your point across, do it sensibly, apply reason and logic. Then we can have a reasoned discussion.

@the rest: Please do not feed the troll. Let's talk about the game and ignore the rest ... any maybe the mods will do something ...

I'm old, so let me rant. I don't expect anyone to read my posts and reply to any of them anyway.

[yongkykun]

Just do what gameloft is doing with their Order & Chaos Online game. Seems reasonable. Besides, GL has been copying other devs, why not copy them?

Alright, let's get on with the rambling, yeah? What do you think of the post I posted earlier in the FF3 for iPad thread, mainly this bit:
"For this game, you pay US$16.99 whereas Australians pay AU$19.99, which is the equivalent of US$21.8"

[oooooomonkey]

I'm +1 for this game = value for money, I've already played for 11 hours and don't feel like I've really done much at all.
£5.99 is nothing at the end of the day it's the price of a packet of tabs or a mcdonalds meal.

[yongkykun]

I'm +1 for this game = value for money, I've already played for 11 hours and don't feel like I've really done much at all.
£5.99 is nothing at the end of the day it's the price of a packet of tabs or a mcdonalds meal.

Or two days meal in me country.

[backtothis]

Or two days meal in me country.

Value is clearly relative among different people. Since you clearly know that, don't ever, ever tell someone that something isn't 'worth' it. You don't have that discretion because you couldn't possibly know the value of something to someone is. Definitely not targeting you. This is a general statement.

[Eli]

Here is the official theme song of this thread-

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[backtothis]

Here is the official theme song of this thread-

YouTube: video (http://youtube.com/watch?v=HNTxr2NJHa0)

LOL, oh my.