iPhone Games Forum Split

[arn]

Hi guys,

The iPhone game forum has massive traffic, making it difficult to keep up. The first page of topics only reflects the last hour or so of posts.

So in interest of splitting attention more evenly, I think it makes sense to split the forum into sub categories. Based on how this forum is used, I think it's best to have the following split:

Upcoming Games
New Games (Out for less than 1 week)
Older Games (Out for longer than 1 week)

Unfortunately, this will require some manual movement of threads from New games to Old games over time. But overall should help exposure for all games. Depending on how that breakdown works in practice, we could change the "1 week" period longer.

thoughts?
arn

[snow_mani]

I would also add a sub forum called "Coming Soon". For games that are not yet released. EDIT: And another one where devs can post promo codes.

Of course, it will be a lot more work for you site admins and mods...

[arn]

I would also add a sub forum called "Coming Soon". For games that are not yet released. EDIT: And another one where devs can post promo codes.

Of course, it will be a lot more work for you site admins and mods...

I think "Upcoming Games" would handle the "Coming Soon" :)

arn

[snow_mani]

I think "Upcoming Games" would handle the "Coming Soon" :)

arn

Hah! I missed the Upcoming Games!

[rich_952000]

Yes , I agree, alot of traffic. I think, as you mentioned, maybe 2 weeks for "new" releases.

EDIT: is there any way that the one for promos can be "locked" to non-member lurkers or "code snipers"???? Please. I'll even change my sig.

[spmwinkel]

How about topics for apps like Pocket God, which is getting weekly updates at the moment.
Will it be in the Older Games group, or will it be pushed back to the New Games with every update?

I assume that the Older Games is meant for topics that are not so active anymore, since the hype is often in new/upcoming games topics. But Pocket God is different.
I understand that this is an exception and you need to create general rules that work for most of the games. But still in order to create such a system, it's good to think about the exceptions and how to deal with those. :)

When I wake up and read up on the forums, there's often 4 pages of new topics. I'm in Europe, so it may be different for people in the US. I think that in a week, there are 8-16 pages of new topics that are popular for a little while and than fade to the background.

Are you thinking about moving topics weekly (all out, and new stuff comes in) or on a daily basis? It would be a LOT of work. Maybe then you'd have to make a rule for "One topic for each game", which would also create a large discussion (if you're allowing for a discussion, that is).

Not an easy decision.

[arn]

How about topics for apps like Pocket God, which is getting weekly updates at the moment.
Will it be in the Older Games group, or will it be pushed back to the New Games with every update?

I assume that the Older Games is meant for topics that are not so active anymore, since the hype is often in new/upcoming games topics. But Pocket God is different.


I think the Older Games would be exactly for something like Pocket God. I think the interest in existing games is very different than interest in brand new games. A major game update would get a new thread in the Old Games area. Only 1.0 versions of games would appear in the New games section.

At it's simplest level I think that threads could automatically be moved from New to Old after a certain timeframe, but the time frame depends on how many thread that would be in practice.

arn

[arn]

so looking at the thread list now

upcoming

metal gear solid touch
zen bound
IGN covers Bailout Bonanza

new

geodefense
idracula
the quest
shooter
snake XT
puzzle quest free
aqua moto racing lite
rouge touch
vector tanks
fusion

old

pocket god
space x update
mafia
bobble surfer
imafia
arvale: journey of illusion
vase craze
edge

[Oliver]

"Old" feels... well... old ;). We aren't talking about abandonia, but about games, who are a few weeks or months old. "Old" does not fit as a description. Many of us didn't even start playing these "old" games, because of so much new stuff... And the chance to take a look at "old" games goes to zero, when we call them "old" games.

[spmwinkel]

so looking at the thread list now

upcoming

metal gear solid touch
zen bound
IGN covers Bailout Bonanza

new

geodefense
idracula
the quest
shooter
snake XT
puzzle quest free
aqua moto racing lite
rouge touch
vector tanks
fusion

old

pocket god
space x update
mafia
bobble surfer
imafia
arvale: journey of illusion
vase craze
edgeThat looks really good.

[nattylux]

so looking at the thread list now

upcoming

metal gear solid touch
zen bound
IGN covers Bailout Bonanza

new

geodefense
idracula
the quest
shooter
snake XT
puzzle quest free
aqua moto racing lite
rouge touch
vector tanks
fusion

old

pocket god
space x update
mafia
bobble surfer
imafia
arvale: journey of illusion
vase craze
edge

New - Little Red Sled :)

Here's the latest thread: http://forums.toucharcade.com/showthread.php?t=5423&highlight=sled

[butters]

Me likey very much. :)

One suggestion though. How about a section for all those daily requests like 'best 0.99$ puzzle game?', 'best free app?', 'anything like XY on iTunes?', etc.?

[Diablohead]

Having sections for upcoming, new and older games would be great but i'd be against an area just for promo codes, that should just be posted in the same threads as the related games.

[1337brian]

I think that would work pretty well. The only issue I see, is not that big of one, but people posting in the wrong threads. After some time I'm sure everyone will pick it up no problem though. Also I do second the motion on having a thread just for promo's.

[dannys95]

Sounds good. I wish there were a promo code forum and a graphics designer forum. :)

[schooze]

I don't know about a section for new and old games if you were going to split it I would say it should be upcoming games, games currently out, game suggestions (for those looking for a game to buy) and games on sale.

[BulletDev]

I like this idea. The forum is going to need some Macforum-like attention if it will stay clean.

Maybe even a Wasteland!

[nizy]

I like the idea. Should help with navigation and finding new topics. Just make sure you update the rules (posting in the correct forum) and clearly state on each sub-forum what type of topics should be posted there to try to minimize users posting in the wrong forum!

Only other sections i can think of are: "price drops/sales" and "game updates", but these might be covered in the "old games" section.

Will the links on the homepage be updated accordingly, with each sub-forum shown in the new posts lists?

[arn]

Will the links on the homepage be updated accordingly, with each sub-forum shown in the new posts lists?

yes, the homepage forum links would be partitioned accordingly.

arn

[ibelongintheforums]

yes, the homepage forum links would be partitioned accordingly.

arn

thanks arn for being active here.
maybe there should be a

released game
upcoming games
promo codes
senior member
game decsions
a sticky that has the best of type thing
when u make a new thread it lists threads already created like it
annndddd
level above senior member

[butters]

annndddd
level above senior member
'Spammaster'? ;) :p

But seriously... As i said before this looks pretty nice, just please get a section for those request/game decision thingies. 'game decisions' as ibelong stated would be nice i guess.

[ibelongintheforums]

yea, 1000 posts could be

"why the heck are you still on TA, i thought we scared you away"

and 500 could be

"you are so addicted to the ipod touch/iphone that you would pass up a girl and or guy to just play your ipod touch/iphone"
a.k.a.

YASATTITITYWPUAGAOGTJPYITI

;)

[Kamazar]

Looks good so far. You might wanna expirement with different variations of categories to see what flows.

IBITF, I thought we scared you away when you turned depressive because we corrected you on how to use the forum. And yes, you are a spam master, lol.

On a more serious note, yeah, we need more levels. You can easily become a senior member in a week (I think I did). So are level names gonna be serious or humorous?

[firemint]

Disclosure: since we have an "upcoming game", obviously it would be fantastic for us to have a separate forum section for these. But just from my personal experience reading the forums, wow, those threads move fast! So it makes a lot of sense to create more subforums.

"Old" feels... well... old ;). We aren't talking about abandonia, but about games, who are a few weeks or months old. "Old" does not fit as a description.

I agree, "old" sounds like those games might be unappealing - I think the division of content makes sense, but a more positive label would be great. Maybe "established" instead? Or you could go with "Out now" and "Released" instead of "new" and "old"? I'm sure others will have suggestions too!

[ibelongintheforums]

Looks good so far. You might wanna expirement with different variations of categories to see what flows.

IBITF, I thought we scared you away when you turned depressive because we corrected you on how to use the forum. And yes, you are a spam master, lol.

On a more serious note, yeah, we need more levels. You can easily become a senior member in a week (I think I did). So are level names gonna be serious or humorous?

yep, u cant scare me away that easily. And just in case one of the mod's thought a infraction would scare me away, sorry, not happening.

but, how about

executive member
or
anceint member
or make senior the highest
add a baby member
Add a teenage member or something

so this is what it would be
baby-0 posts
junior-30
teenage member- 100
member 200-
senior member-500
executive member-1000

or u could do this

baby-0
toddler-30
child-50
teenager-100
adult-500
senior-1000

[Master Shake]

I think it's fine the way it is. Having to check multiple boards just seems like a pain.

[Porsupah]

I'm pretty much fine whichever way. ^_^ If I'm looking for a thread for a particular game, I'll just use the search function anyway, so which forum it's housed in doesn't really gain me much - the traffic level's going to remain crazily high, so such a partitioning could mean as many as two hours of postings on the first page of topics, rather than one. =:)

[Misguided]

There's always a tradeoff to consider with forum organization. If you subdivide too much, you end up with less discussion on topics because not enough people go to a particular forum. With that in mind, might I suggest a 2-forum solution (with recent and upcoming together), rather than 3? I'm not sure an "upcoming" forum will have that much on its own.

Furthermore, I think planning a structure that is going to require manual movement of threads, in effect creating more work for you, is not a wise idea. I would suggest either dropping that part of the idea, or a different method of organization altogether (such as by genre).

[brewstermax]

Great idea. Perhaps get rid or the jailbreak section, and put it as sub-forums of games, apps, and the lounge. For jailbreak games, apps, and the process to jailbreak. Try looking at iPodTouchFans.com/forums for some ideas about how this should be done. I don't want near the complexity of that site, however. Perhaps an international section.

[brewstermax]

thanks arn for being active here.
maybe there should be a level above senior member

You are about to kill be iBTF. You may belong somewhere, but its not here.

[Mr. Charley]

arn, I like your idea of sub forums, and just hope it wouldn't be too much work for you and the mods in the long run.
There definitely is a balance between organization of threads and stiffling conversation as mentioned by Misguided

@ibelong. This thread is about organization of forums, not about your need for more status. ;)

[DanM]

Sounds good.
As a suggestion to your idea of moving the existing threads around, how about making it so that if you create/have created a thread you will be able to move it yourself, aswell as rename the title. Should help reduce the mod/admins workload a bit if it is possible to implement?

[THEDeliriumTrigger]

I dont know why everyone stays mainly in the games forum, i mean, when i want to see which threads have been active, i click on new posts, and it shows me every thread thats been posted in since my last visit. If youre a daily visitor, like i am, then its a really convenient way to do it, at the most i get 3pgs of threads to look through. It also gets rid of the need to make sub forums.

[Tennisking1o1]

I think this is a solid idea. Having to sort through a variety of topics in one subforum is kind of tedious, and if this new layout will work nicely. If I'm in the market to buy a new app because I'm going to some event, I could quickly jump to the new games section. If I am just chilling and want to have some discussion, I can go to the upcoming games or released games or wherever. It will be more organized, which I like :)

[menom]

I reckon Misguided makes a valid point - its dangerous to split things up too much - after a while you may find that few people stray from the New and Upcoming sections and the info to be gleaned on Apps out for more than a week would not be picked up by many

EG. a game that was great but a had a flaw that made it less than perfect - has now been made perfect

surely there's a way that the games forum can be all together - but that filtering to whatever sub category you want can be made a clickable option

that way - only the people who really want to excluse certain category of post can do so and the rest will still have it all there in on place?

[brewstermax]

It is also possible to automerge double posts. I don't know why iPTF has the most efficient spam and usability controls, and the worst community, and TA has a great community, but lacks on spam control.

[Misguided]

Just to clarify, I do understand where Arn is coming from on this. It can be difficult to keep up with all of the threads when the forum is busy. (Keep in mind that having this kind of traffic on a forum is a GREAT thing, and the admins should be applauded for having such a great site). That only highlights the problem with Arn's suggestion for me. I don't want to see anyone have to manually be moving a ton of threads around. Having been a forum admin on multiple occasions, I think that path leads to despair.

Perhaps we should toss out some alternate ideas? One possibility might be to have a forum for free games and lite versions of paid apps. I'm not nuts about the idea, but we could have some subfora based on genre (I would NOT follow the app stores system, there would be too many separate categories).

Surely some of you have other suggestions. Let's hear them.

[THEDeliriumTrigger]

Just to clarify, I do understand where Arn is coming from on this. It can be difficult to keep up with all of the threads when the forum is busy. (Keep in mind that having this kind of traffic on a forum is a GREAT thing, and the admins should be applauded for having such a great site). That only highlights the problem with Arn's suggestion for me. I don't want to see anyone have to manually be moving a ton of threads around. Having been a forum admin on multiple occasions, I think that path leads to despair.

Perhaps we should toss out some alternate ideas? One possibility might be to have a forum for free games and lite versions of paid apps. I'm not nuts about the idea, but we could have some subfora based on genre (I would NOT follow the app stores system, there would be too many separate categories).


The first bolded section, so true. Mods on the other fourm i am a member in tried this when they started out, it was a huge amount of work.(size of forum was about this big, if they tried it now it would be impossible, as there are millions of posts and tens of thousands of threads)

Second bolded section is a fantastic idea, instead of using new and old titles, both free and paid apps are talked about equally here, so it would be a good split. Also, it dosent put any favorability towards one section.

[arn]

Perhaps we should toss out some alternate ideas? One possibility might be to have a forum for free games and lite versions of paid apps. I'm not nuts about the idea, but we could have some subfora based on genre (I would NOT follow the app stores system, there would be too many separate categories).

I don't think these suggestions really take into account how this forum is used. In which case, you should look through the most popular topics in the gaming forum.

I don't even know if there are many free games really focused on. Sure, an occasional good one comes now and again, but for the most part paid applications are the focus because they tend to be deeper/higher quality. Lite version discussion is only related to buying or not buying the full version.

As for genres. Similarly, I think genre splits are arbitrary and not helpful. Sure, some people might be looking for a specific type of game, but for the most part I believe people are looking for new/good/interesting games.

arn

[coconutbowling]

I dont know why everyone stays mainly in the games forum, i mean, when i want to see which threads have been active, i click on new posts, and it shows me every thread thats been posted in since my last visit. If youre a daily visitor, like i am, then its a really convenient way to do it, at the most i get 3pgs of threads to look through. It also gets rid of the need to make sub forums.

I did not know that. Thank you TDT.

[Rocketman919]

i think the forums are fine as they are right now.

[touch_me]

I think we should leave the current setup like the way it is. Dividing the forums up in several section will make many people miss many things.

People usually don't have time to check each thread, let alone browse 3-4 different forums. I also think the current layout of the forum is the reason for great traffic.

As an example, HowardForums has broken its "Rogers" section to include an iPhone section. Now although I am currently on Rogers and using iPhone, I am ONLY checking the iPhone section lately which makes me miss many great deals that are posted under Rogers section.

I would really hate to have the same experience here.

[Misguided]

I don't think these suggestions really take into account how this forum is used. In which case, you should look through the most popular topics in the gaming forum.

arn

I agree, Arn. I didn't think either of those suggestions was particularly good. I was hoping, though, that something better would emerge if we started throwing options out there. How to break things up without being arbitrary and making the resulting sections be useful? The $64,000 question...

[Misguided]

I think we should leave the current setup like the way it is. Dividing the forums up in several section will make many people miss many things.

Apologies for speaking out of turn, but I think the concern from the admin point of view is that people might be missing many threads because the traffic is so heavy in the existing forum. As I mentioned previously, the challenge is to balance that concern with yours (that people won't visit the new forum areas as much).

[menom]

as long as there's a way of excluding all the mafia facebook nonsense, I'll be happy ;)

[Myrobotwillneverdie]

i think the forums are fine as they are right now.

+1 I like it this way

[wastedyuthe]

To be honest, I agree about the game section been too busy now- I have given up trying to keep up with all the threads there.
But if we are going to have an 'older games' section it ought to be named something different, as 1 or 2 weeks is hardly old (I think someone else mentioned this too). If people see 'older games' in the forum list, they may not bother, which means developers sales dropping due to lack of attention in the forum (and yes, I am thinking of myself when my own app gets released- why shouldn't I?).
Also, from a mods perspective, how much work is this going to be, constantly moving threads posted in the wrong section just because a game came out longer than a week before etc? I can see a headache coming on!

Perhaps just stick to Coming Soon and Out Now.

[snow_mani]

Or maybe:

1) Coming Soon
2) New Releases
3) Games

This avoids calling the older releases "old".

Perhaps it is possible to make these changes easier for the admins/mods by having any threads started say 1 week ago automatically moving into the games forum a week after they started, and so on?

[le'deuche123]

Or maybe:

1) Coming Soon
2) New Releases
3) Games

This avoids calling the older releases "old".

Perhaps it is possible to make these changes easier for the admins/mods by having any threads started say 1 week ago automatically moving into the games forum a week after they started, and so on?

I think this is the most logical progression.

[Mr. Charley]

Or maybe:

1) Coming Soon
2) New Releases
3) Games

This avoids calling the older releases "old".

Perhaps it is possible to make these changes easier for the admins/mods by having any threads started say 1 week ago automatically moving into the games forum a week after they started, and so on?

I like it. It has a "clean" feeling to it.
If 2 weeks is too short to be in the new release section, what about after 1 month? 1 month under new release is fair....no?
Of course, from the admin/mods perspective, the challenge is to keep up with the dates of when things should get moved...

[stitchemwords]

What happens if there is a huge update to a game ? For example, the new version of Stitch'em Words is expected to have so many new features that it SHOULD actually be released as a new game.
So would it go in "New Releases" or "Games" ? If it goes under "Games", most devs will lose much motivation to bring out new features to the games already released as we all can expect 5:1 ratio for New Release:Games section in terms of user participitation and it would hardly make any sense to work on features if you are not even going to get exposure.

[wastedyuthe]

most devs will lose much motivation to bring out new features to the games already released as we all can expect 5:1 ratio for New Release:Games section in terms of user participitation and it would hardly make any sense to work on features if you are not even going to get exposure.

Yes, that's the point I made. I can see most viewers just keeping an eye on the new release section and ignoring the older (for want of a better word) game section most of the time, which is concerning from a devs point of view. Although this isn't the only forum for iPhone games, I know- but it is regarded by many as the best.
Of course updates still show up on AppShopper etc too, so devs don't purely rely on forums for publicity.

[Misguided]

What happens if there is a huge update to a game ? For example, the new version of Stitch'em Words is expected to have so many new features that it SHOULD actually be released as a new game.
So would it go in "New Releases" or "Games" ? If it goes under "Games", most devs will lose much motivation to bring out new features to the games already released as we all can expect 5:1 ratio for New Release:Games section in terms of user participitation and it would hardly make any sense to work on features if you are not even going to get exposure.

Perhaps a separate forum for (upcoming/new/newly updated) might be a reasonable way to go. In any event I think a system of that nature should depend on posters to make threads in the right forum and not require mods to move things about. Thus I think a thread should be created in the appropriate spot and should remain there as long as people want to discuss it, rather than having it moved to a different forum after an arbitrary length of time.

[Master Shake]

A section to talk about games that aren't out yet would be a good idea I believe but to split the game section for games that are out still sounds bad.

[Wegmans]

Is there a way to make the forum page show more threads? They currently are 20 long.. When I've been away from TA for a while, I open each page in a new tab in Safari (Safari 4 now) and so I'll look at maybe the most recent 3 or 4 pages, but yeah anything older isn't likely to be brought up... If it was split up, I think it would cut down on people spamming the same thread over and over...

Good ideas though!

[schooze]

I really think something needs to be done fast one thread i recently started about the game crayon ball sunk faster than an anchor, looking at the Games Forum all the posts on the front page are all whiten the last hour and some games have multiple threads devoted to them, I don't have a problem with that just that it takes away from other game threads being on the front page, with the current system. I hope that you took my suggestion to heart about splitting it up because old and new I just don't think would work. I thought it should be by Upcoming Games, Games Out, Game Suggestions, and Games on Sale.
Thanks

[ibelongintheforums]

Game recomendations forum
Games released
Un-released games
no sperate promo or anything just add those to and clutter goes WAY down

[Dio]

Hmm.. I think that the forums are fine. My suggestion for it would be to split it like...
-Game Talk
-Game Updates
-Strategies


I was thinking what people thought about a Senior Members only section, that way those who are really bugged by the Junior Members posts, they can just have a different section to look at.

Idk, just trying to add more ideas.

[pante]

i would rather do it this way:
upcoming games
released games
promo codes

:)

[Dio]

OK, how about..

Games
Upcoming/Updates

Game Talk
-->Promo codes
-->Strategies


LOL, it's too much for my brain. I'll leave it up to everyone else and I'll pitch in a vote.

[le'deuche123]

Looks like they did it. Looks Great. Seems to have cleared up some clutter:)

[arn]

I just did the Upcoming Games part for now. The New games thing has some flaws to the plan still.

Not sure I like it... but we'll see if we get used to it :) I don't think we can go back though... the games forum is just far too active.

arn

[le'deuche123]

I just did the Upcoming Games part for now. The New games thing has some flaws to the plan still.

Not sure I like it... but we'll see if we get used to it :) I don't think we can go back though... the games forum is just far too active.

arn

Ridiculously so!! Thanks Arn, I'm sure we'll get used to it. I was using the search button too much in the games forum:)

[pante]

it's hard to use it at the moment... but we will get used to it soon i believe.

[le'deuche123]

Seems to be working very well. The upcoming games section doesn't move near as much. I like that as I hate having to search for new posts on a topic that's been buried under 200 threads.

[Coral]

The old games section was about as cut-throat as the appstore itself. If your thread didn't get posts then it was lost in the rush. I think the addition of new sections will help out a lot.

[rich_952000]

I'm sure this will grow on me, for now it feels kind of foriegn. Glad you are changing though to keep things tidy and up to date.

[pablo19]

Can the lounge be higher up?, it gets a lot more visitors than the devs section, and maybe even the jailbreak section

[schooze]

Glad to see this being implimented but is there anyway the Upcoming Games forum could still be in the iPhone and iPod touch games section either as a link or a tab. Also, any chance of implementing the Game Suggestions forum.

[coconutbowling]

Woah, I just noticed the new forum. That's cool and things should be more organized. Thanks arn.

[DarthPuma]

Honestly, I'm not a fan of the forum split. Yes, it reduces clutter, I don't like switching between the two forums for information.

I think a much more effective way to reduce clutter would be to crack down on "should I buy this or that" threads and multiple threads on the same topic. I don't see many moderators on these boards, and I know there are people here qualified enough and more than willing to be one. More mods would mean the pointless threads would be shut down quick, and thus reducing clutter.

[ibelongintheforums]

If u want more mods I nominate SPMwinkel although I think the mods are doing great.

[spmwinkel]

I don't see many moderators on these boards, and I know there are people here qualified enough and more than willing to be one. More mods would mean the pointless threads would be shut down quick, and thus reducing clutter.Moderators don't really need to close and remove threads that have no point, their first responsibility is to deal with spam, offensive posts and possibly keeping the forum 'clean' by merging two threads about the same subjects that are created around the same time.

So while long-time visitors may be annoyed by the "what should I buy" topics, they don't fall into the category that should be removed I believe. I do seem to see less of them by the way. It's been worse!

And also - the fact that you don't see mods don't mean that they're not doing their work. I can imagine that if you're a mod, you're already spending a lot of time on the forum 'moderating' and you'll post a bit less.

If u want more mods I nominate SPMwinkel although I think the mods are doing great.Thanks for your faith in me. ;) At this point I think the mods are doing a good job, I help them by reporting posts that need to be taken care of. Everyone can do that! :)

[DarthPuma]

Moderators don't really need to close and remove threads that have no point, their first responsibility is to deal with spam, offensive posts and possibly keeping the forum 'clean' by merging two threads about the same subjects that are created around the same time.

So while long-time visitors may be annoyed by the "what should I buy" topics, they don't fall into the category that should be removed I believe. I do seem to see less of them by the way. It's been worse!

And also - the fact that you don't see mods don't mean that they're not doing their work. I can imagine that if you're a mod, you're already spending a lot of time on the forum 'moderating' and you'll post a bit less.

Thanks for your faith in me. ;) At this point I think the mods are doing a good job, I help them by reporting posts that need to be taken care of. Everyone can do that! :)


I would consider those, "what should I buy" topics to be spam. The board would be much cleaner if there was a rule against it, and if we made an official "Help me choose what to buy thread" then both parties would be happy.

On all the other boards I've been on, mods are active in the community. I assumed that since I never see a mod posting that we must not have very many mods on the board.

[GatorDeb]

I don't like the split :( Now I have to visit two forums. I think it would have been better to just let users change titles and make a thread when it's coming out and then just change the title that it's out.

[schooze]

Thats why I proposed this: Glad to see this being implimented but is there anyway the Upcoming Games forum could still be in the iPhone and iPod touch games section either as a link or a tab. Also, any chance of implementing the Game Suggestions forum.
If the Games Forum had a tab or link at the top for the Upcoming Games Forum, it would be great for those of us who browse on our iPod or iPhone.

[pablo19]

I don't like the split :( Now I have to visit two forums. I think it would have been better to just let users change titles and make a thread when it's coming out and then just change the title that it's out.

I agree with gatordeb, and schooze!

[Diablohead]

I like the new split, just going to bed and waking up 8-10 hours later and there is 2+ new pages in the released app's forum, splitting up prerelease and released app's was a good move imo.

[Zincous]

Yeah it seems to be working out well so far.

I like being able to go to a designated area where I'll know what I'll find specifically.

Just wish there was an easier way to switch between all the subforms. Or a SpyTA thing ;):D