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Actually, that's not what they are arguing. The gist of their defense, for those who don't want to bother reading the whole posts are as follows: 1) the differences between AH and TL are more significant than the similarities. 2) the similarities between AH and TL are due to the fact that both games borrow from similar sources 3) Runic is being hypocritical when they raise such a stink about AH I won't comment as whether these arguments are valid or reasonable. I do wonder why they haven't answered the second and (to my mind) more serious charge: the wholesale pilfering of sound files, many of which have the same names as the TL original. Not sure if Runic will respond to this (they might not see the point). Still, I guess it's a good thing that the developers of AH have put out their own take on this debacle.
Now I'm not sure I'm reading this right but from what I'm seeing Runic: "You stole our art!" EGLS: "We totally wrote the code ourselves!" Or hmm, for the sake of having fun... Bank: "You stole our money!" Robber: "I paid for that getaway car fair and square!"
Is it just me or do many of those 'similar' talents seem not similar at all. Case in point: #11. One is a bomb that shoots blades, where the other is a flying dagger. It appears all they are saying is 'Not EVERYTHING was inspired by/stolen from TL' and more interestingly 'Look at TL, they did the same as we did.'
Also...can Runic be accused of "stealing" from Diablo 2...when the heads of Runic were the heads of Blizzard North, and the designers of Diablo 2?
I don't see how else to read it. Runic is accusing EGLS of stealing their assets (in game development, that means maps, models, animations, textures, audio, etc) where the entire response from EGLS seems based around design and game engine / code differences, nothing about the assets themselves, beyond "here's 5 random monsters from TL that don't look like these 5 random monsters from AHO"
I wasnt going after the statement and I have to commend the detail of the OP. I just found the comparison to Torchlight to what came before it interesting.
They didn't even say that... they said 'here's 5 random monsters that kinda sorta look like WoW monsters.' Except there's not much similarity in some of the (looking at the Orc models)
Given the ample evidence Runic appears to have that you've engaged in wholesale infringement of Torchlight intellectual property I would suggest that trying to convince a few thousand people on a gaming forum that it's perfectly okay to have done so is not what I'd call a "winning strategy". The people who will shortly be involved in this particular argument will most likely be judges, lawyers and, I'm going to go out on a limb and say Apple, who will probably be getting a DMCA takedown notice any moment now. As entertaining as this is, I'd recommend you stop digging this hole before it gets any deeper.
What a very interesting reply. I find it amusing that you have chosen to use WoW assets to compare to the monsters - rather than the Torchlight monsters that I specifically compared them to in my screenshot image. ( which has kindly been posted in this thread now ) I also find it amusing that you are doing a class comparison, when I never called out the class models. I have noted that you have failed to post an image of the class in Armed Heroes which uses the Undead Tier 10 armor as its basis. The fact that the sound effects in your game are taken with EXACT filenames from ours ( including misspellings, and with our boss names and class names intact ) is also very telling. I have no problem with inspiration. We are obviously inspired by Diablo, and make no bones about it. But we don't include any Diablo artwork or sounds in our game. You mentioned Fate and its systems. I happen to have written that game - and we use no assets from it ( with the exception of some Tommy Tallarico sound effects that we re-licensed ) Posting pictures of random models with no association isn't much of a defense, I'm sorry. Twiddling the geometry a little bit and doing minor texture alterations doesn't equate to original artwork or even artwork 'inspired by'. How about this comparison image instead? I'm on tenterhooks awaiting your response.
I'd be happy to talk about these allegations in a more formal capacity, EGLS. My attempts to reach your company have so far been unsuccessful. Please get in touch. -- patrick klepek news editor, giant bomb [email protected]
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I will play the part of the EGLS spokesperson, if that helps. I promise to be just as helpful as their real spokesperson would be.
We're not making complaints about lifting design, or mechanics, or even STYLE. Even if they tried to replicate our style, and made a game with goblins, alchemists, undead dwarves, weird purple zealot ladies, tree golems, and a big end boss who is a purple dragon - WE DON'T CARE. Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery, and all that. What we DO care about is using our ACTUAL assets with minor adjustments in their game, as opposed to making their own.
At the risk of being banned: Dear Mrs/Mr. Serena Zhang, you sir/ma'am are incredibly stupid on two counts. 1. Runic is not accusing you of making a game inspired by their game(s) (I'll get to that with 2), but of literally ripping art and assets from their game, and pasting them into yours, then claiming ownership. As if that weren't the funniest part... 2. Every ####ing game you listed as an example of Torchlight taking inspiration from was... wait for it... ####ing made by either Travis Baldree, or Max and Erich Shaefer. Yeah, those guys that run Runic. Oh, and I got Total Biscuit to point out your stupidity on Twitter. He has over 100,000 more followers than you. Not to mention stuff like Kotaku, and many other big sites. Have fun with this soon to be media massacre.