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I have some questions regarding Apple's rules...

11-27-2012, 10:28 AM
#1
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I have some questions regarding Apple's rules...

I know the basic rules for app submission, but I have this... rather crazy idea/question that I've been having trouble finding an answer to.

Can a developer put a sequence in their application that intentionally crashes the application?

On a less crucial note, can an application use the front-facing camera to take a picture of the user without their explicit consent?
11-27-2012, 10:29 AM
#2
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Quote:
Originally Posted by RoanHorse View Post
I know the basic rules for app submission, but I have this... rather crazy idea/question that I've been having trouble finding an answer to.

Can a developer put a sequence in their application that intentionally crashes the application?
Why would you want to do that ??

On a less crucial note, can an application use the front-facing camera to take a picture of the user without their explicit consent?
....

11-27-2012, 10:33 AM
#3
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I can see why you might want to crash the app intentionally, as part of some angle to the game, not sure if you can do it though. Regarding the camera, I think it would probably be okay, just as long as you aren't using the photos for anything and maybe ask them when they first open the app, like when apps ask you for permission for using notification and things, just ask, "this app would like to take photos of you" accept/decline haha
11-27-2012, 10:36 AM
#4
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Originally Posted by AlexsIpad View Post
like when apps ask you for permission for using notification and things, just ask, "this app would like to take photos of you" accept/decline haha
Why would anyone accept that ? I mean an app asking to spam your facebook/twitter is one thing but an app asking to take pictures (or not asking) is terrible.

I hope RoanHorse tells us the name of his apps so i can stay away from ANY of them
11-27-2012, 10:37 AM
#5
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This isn't some kind of troll app that shows a scary face takes a picture of their reaction and closes is it?
11-27-2012, 10:48 AM
#6
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dont think the OP will tell the name of his app if there is any but if it is possible than i dont feel safe using apps now but i doubt apple will approve an app like that but we have seen apple rejecting good apps and approvings crapps , crap + apps = crapps


EDIT : ok just saw the OP replied back , seems to be different from what i was expecting.but i will leave the judging to others

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Last edited by mkpred; 11-27-2012 at 10:52 AM. Reason: Look under EDIT
11-27-2012, 10:45 AM
#7
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Alright, allow me to explain myself. I want to make a game about 'decking'. You know, hacking into stuff, the incredibly incorrect portrayal of hacking that the movies have been peddling since computers became a thing in the average American's home.
>photos
I want to do something like The Heist, where the player is contacted by an NPC. Specifically, I need a picture of the player for immersion. Taking it without their consent makes it a very surreal experience. The picture would not be uploaded to anywhere.
>crashing
Immersion. The first time you (inevitably) fail, the application would crash. When you open it up again, you'd be contacted by an NPC expressing his/her worry over you 'going offline suddenly'.
11-27-2012, 10:55 AM
#8
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Quote:
Originally Posted by RoanHorse View Post
Alright, allow me to explain myself. I want to make a game about 'decking'. You know, hacking into stuff, the incredibly incorrect portrayal of hacking that the movies have been peddling since computers became a thing in the average American's home.
>photos
I want to do something like The Heist, where the player is contacted by an NPC. Specifically, I need a picture of the player for immersion. Taking it without their consent makes it a very surreal experience. The picture would not be uploaded to anywhere.
>crashing
Immersion. The first time you (inevitably) fail, the application would crash. When you open it up again, you'd be contacted by an NPC expressing his/her worry over you 'going offline suddenly'.
I can understand now a 'bit' better about what you want to do but i'm sure you couldnt purposely crash an app. If that happened to me i probably would think 'forget this then' and move onto the next app. Surely you can 'simulate' a fake crash.

A game in the 80's (Brian Bloodaxe) would pretend to reset the computer after it was loaded but it had a slight change in the text for the 'reset screen' so you wouldnt instantly think 'damn' and reset your computer and try again.

So i would do a 'pretend' reset but make it obvious its part of the game and dont make it too authentic or there'll be lots of people moaning to Apple about the app.

As for the photo its very well saying it wont go anywhere else but you hear so many nightmare stories of corrupt Android apps, granted this is Apple but it would make people paranoid. And anyway i'm certain Apple wouldnt let you do this. In everyone of my 600 apps i have on my ipod the games which have a 'picture' of the player are just cartoon/fake ones, none of them need to have the photo of the player.

A game back in the 80's (The Hacker) was great, not many instructions, you had to work out what to do. Something similar would be good but i wouldnt go so far to get photos of the user or purposely crash the app. 'Pretend' to crash the app and go to a standard homepage of an ipod/iphone.
11-27-2012, 02:30 PM
#9
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Quote:
Originally Posted by RoanHorse View Post
Alright, allow me to explain myself. I want to make a game about 'decking'. You know, hacking into stuff, the incredibly incorrect portrayal of hacking that the movies have been peddling since computers became a thing in the average American's home.
>photos
I want to do something like The Heist, where the player is contacted by an NPC. Specifically, I need a picture of the player for immersion. Taking it without their consent makes it a very surreal experience. The picture would not be uploaded to anywhere.
>crashing
Immersion. The first time you (inevitably) fail, the application would crash. When you open it up again, you'd be contacted by an NPC expressing his/her worry over you 'going offline suddenly'.
Even if it's possible, I don't think as a gamer I would love my own crappy photo in the game. Rather, it would pull me out of the game world.

Like, every other popular game I've seen uses a fictional character that we have to play. If you're making a Heist game, the character should make the users closer to their fantasy character, not themselves.

When someone plays GTA as a thug, doesn't means that they want to be thugs in real life. There is a huge gap between fiction and reality, that is going to collapse with the gamers' real photo of laying on the couch with his cat crawling in the background while listening to the mission briefing.

How would you feel, if you're watching some future James Bond movie and with the technology they swap the face of James Bond with your unsolicited one, while you were sipping cola.
11-27-2012, 02:40 PM
#10
Joined: Jun 2012
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Quote:
Originally Posted by RoanHorse View Post
Alright, allow me to explain myself. I want to make a game about 'decking'. You know, hacking into stuff, the incredibly incorrect portrayal of hacking that the movies have been peddling since computers became a thing in the average American's home.
>photos
I want to do something like The Heist, where the player is contacted by an NPC. Specifically, I need a picture of the player for immersion. Taking it without their consent makes it a very surreal experience. The picture would not be uploaded to anywhere.
>crashing
Immersion. The first time you (inevitably) fail, the application would crash. When you open it up again, you'd be contacted by an NPC expressing his/her worry over you 'going offline suddenly'.
To be honest I'm not sure many people would understand the crashing thing, they would just think there was a problem with the app, unless you made it REALLY obvious. Otherwise you may see your app on the app store rated 1 star due to confused people. Oh, and I actually highly doubt that taking a photo without consent is legal. I suppose you could contact apple somehow and ask them about it. However nowadays it could be legal, here in London there are cameras every 2 metres haha, it's like 1984

Last edited by AlexsIpad; 11-27-2012 at 02:43 PM.