Learning to Code

[TheOZ]

Alright so my friend and I started talking about creating a game around September and he mentioned it to his mom and for christmas she got him a C++ coding book. He already knows alittle bit of coding with things like java and so on(cant remember off the top of my head), but im wondering what else we'll need and if there is an order we should probably learn the programming in. Would really appreciate if someone could help me out, thanks!

[BulletDev]

Originally Posted by TheOZ

Alright so my friend and I started talking about creating a game around September and he mentioned it to his mom and for christmas she got him a C++ coding book. He already knows alittle bit of coding with things like java and so on(cant remember off the top of my head), but im wondering what else we'll need and if there is an order we should probably learn the programming in. Would really appreciate if someone could help me out, thanks!

Once you learn C++, you will be able to easily transfer to Objective-C and Cocoa, the two main languages used in Xcode. If you have already started learning C++ and have the determination to finish what you've started, you guys will do great. I'm glad your not using Unity :P

Good Luck,
- James

[games42]

Originally Posted by BarringtonSoftware

Once you learn C++, you will be able to easily transfer to Objective-C and Cocoa, the two main languages used in Xcode. If you have already started learning C++ and have the determination to finish what you've started, you guys will do great. I'm glad your not using Unity :P

Good Luck,
- James

wait...now im confused...is it better NOT to go with unity? You said i should go with unity but here u said u r glad they r not using it...

[TheOZ]

Originally Posted by BarringtonSoftware

Once you learn C++, you will be able to easily transfer to Objective-C and Cocoa, the two main languages used in Xcode. If you have already started learning C++ and have the determination to finish what you've started, you guys will do great. I'm glad your not using Unity :P

Good Luck,
- James

That's really good to know, thanks alot!

[BulletDev]

Originally Posted by games42

wait...now im confused...is it better NOT to go with unity? You said i should go with unity but here u said u r glad they r not using it...

Uh-oh seems as if I've upset a few people.

Let me sum this up: Unity is good for people who simply do not want to learn to code, or have no coding experience. It is a good way to make a game, but I like to see people actually learning programming languages, and taking extra time to develop.

Anyways, you should both be fine with the advice I gave you. I got confused with the mass amount of topics I found from you guys.

Originally Posted by TheOZ

That's really good to know, thanks alot!

Sarcasm?

[games42]

Originally Posted by BarringtonSoftware

Uh-oh seems as if I've upset a few people.

Let me sum this up: Unity is good for people who simply do not want to learn to code, or have no coding experience. It is a good way to make a game, but I like to see people actually learning programming languages, and taking extra time to develop.

Anyways, you should both be fine with the advice I gave you. I got confused with the mass amount of topics I found from you guys.



Sarcasm?

ok that makes sense...I had a feeling that you meant that i.e. the appreciation of learning the code but it's easier with unity but I just wasn't sure so thanks for explaining....was never upset lol just confused...it can be scary when looking at all the new programs in what is basically new languages....and ps I don't think he was being sarcastic...I think he really meant to say thanks alot...just like I feel to say thanks alot to you....and WITHOUT SARCASM! Thanks Alot!

[BulletDev]

Originally Posted by games42

ok that makes sense...I had a feeling that you meant that i.e. the appreciation of learning the code but it's easier with unity but I just wasn't sure so thanks for explaining....was never upset lol just confused...it can be scary when looking at all the new programs in what is basically new languages....and ps I don't think he was being sarcastic...I think he really meant to say thanks alot...just like I feel to say thanks alot to you....and WITHOUT SARCASM! Thanks Alot!

Ahh OK. Thanks for understanding

- James

[Eric5h5]

Originally Posted by BarringtonSoftware

Let me sum this up: Unity is good for people who simply do not want to learn to code, or have no coding experience.

No, it's not. If you can't code, you will get nowhere fast with Unity. You have to use C# or a variant of Javascript to develop your apps (which gets compiled to native ARM code in the end). The drawback is the overhead...if you want to make the smallest, most efficient game, then you wouldn't use Unity. However, in a lot of ways it's better to use an engine that takes care of the hard stuff for you, in the same way that there's no real point learning assembly language these days (well, for most things).

Potentially it's easier to make better games with Unity, because the process is conducive to experimentation and tweaking. So rather than going through the pain of compiling and trying to test in the simulator and so on, it's easier to stick with it until it's perfect, instead of settling for "eh, it works, good enough". Of course, most people want to rush things and push unpolished apps out as soon as possible, but that's obviously true for non-Unity apps as well.

--Eric

[games42]

Originally Posted by Eric5h5

No, it's not. If you can't code, you will get nowhere fast with Unity. You have to use C# or a variant of Javascript to develop your apps (which gets compiled to native ARM code in the end). The drawback is the overhead...if you want to make the smallest, most efficient game, then you wouldn't use Unity. However, in a lot of ways it's better to use an engine that takes care of the hard stuff for you, in the same way that there's no real point learning assembly language these days (well, for most things).

Potentially it's easier to make better games with Unity, because the process is conducive to experimentation and tweaking. So rather than going through the pain of compiling and trying to test in the simulator and so on, it's easier to stick with it until it's perfect, instead of settling for "eh, it works, good enough". Of course, most people want to rush things and push unpolished apps out as soon as possible, but that's obviously true for non-Unity apps as well.

--Eric

So what advice would you give me? I'm completely new to programming and want to make a really great iphone game....where do I start? Should I spend my time learning Unity or should I learn Objective C? or C+ or Cocoa? or Java? I really have no clue but want to learn how....What's the easiest/best way to go?

[TheOZ]

Originally Posted by BarringtonSoftware

Uh-oh seems as if I've upset a few people.

Let me sum this up: Unity is good for people who simply do not want to learn to code, or have no coding experience. It is a good way to make a game, but I like to see people actually learning programming languages, and taking extra time to develop.

Anyways, you should both be fine with the advice I gave you. I got confused with the mass amount of topics I found from you guys.



Sarcasm?

Haha sorry, no it wasn't sarcasm I was just saying that it's good to know that if I learn C++ coding then Obj-C wont be as tough. Sorry for the misunderstanding and again thanks.