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Old 06-20-2012, 11:35 AM
Darthguy Darthguy is offline
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I am going for perseus armor and mithril isn't that hard to get, i got windblade without purchasing any and i'll also get the bow soon...

This game is beast

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  #952  
Old 06-20-2012, 01:20 PM
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Hey guys; long time reader, first time poster! Quick shoutout to Freyr for creating an awesome gaming experience with frequent updates and active responses to user feedback in this thread, quite impressive :P

Asasnator, I read your post about the Atom armour being glitched at some point in this thread. Not sure if someone's already answered it, but I figured out why your numbers weren't adding up before:

Damage = [Laser weapon damage x (1 + Sum of power % bonuses)] x 1.3


In other words...the extra 30% bonus for laser weapons multiplies your power bonuses as well, instead of just adding 30% of the laser weapon's base damage. That's why laser weapons were significantly stronger than the initial calculations I saw earlier in this thread. I'm not sure if the same holds true of the Thunder armour's 50% power bonus, or the hyper clips, but I'm guessing they might.

Anyway, just wondering what you guys think of people using sniper rifles in the enemy rush phase (i.e. before the boss fights). I'm finding it quite effective at racking up kills on the last two boss levels, but I've also noticed that it's harder to cover your teammates when you're getting swarmed from multiple directions. Do you guys think you've got a responsibility to cover each other's blind spots, or is it kinda "free for all, just make sure you pull your weight while fighting the boss"?
Yeah, your correct. That is interesting to think that the 50% bonus from the thunder suit and the 100% bonus from the hyper clip might actually calculate those things the same way. Dang...then I would be doing a ton more damage.

Eh I'm usually 50/50 when it comes to if I should help out my teammates or not. If they are able to survive on their own for a little bit without taking significant damage, THEN I will help them out because I know they most likely won't fail on boss fights. As for the players who get hit left and right, I usually just leave the match and join a different one.

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Old 06-20-2012, 02:01 PM
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I just remembered two other changes I seem to have noticed regarding boss fights and dropped gold. Can someone confirm whether I'm mistaken or not?
  1. The amount of gold a boss drops depends on how many people entered the match at the beginning, and no longer changes if someone dies before or during the boss fight.
  2. If a teammate dies BEFORE the boss fight, the boss will lose 1/3 of its HP when you start the battle.
  3. I've only had this happen once, but I think the Double Rages boss might become glitched if one or two of your teammates die. I managed to kill the green mantis on my own (the other teammate/s died before reaching the boss fight), but the blue mantis never came down from its perch, meaning I couldn't finish the battle.

If those observations are correct, I think it gives rise to some rather...political dynamics, actually:
  • You don't have to leave the match instantly if someone dies off, because your boss bonus is no longer affected.
  • You may want to keep your teammates alive, because it creates multiple distractions for the boss (i.e. boss won't always attack you)
  • You may want to LET someone die before the boss fight, if you feel that the 33% HP handicap for the boss is worth more than said teammate (not just low-levelled players, but also people who are known to bring crap weapons to a boss fight...or literally do nothing at all and let you do all the work)

For the record, my current play style? I tend to get hit a bit because of my choice of PvE gear (Andromedae legs + M-27B1 makes for sloooooow movement), but I'll pretty much stay alive to do my share of work on Serpent and Double Rages provided people are TRYING to help me kill them. I'm willing to risk losing some health (within reasonable limits) if it means a higher gold pay-off >.>

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Old 06-20-2012, 03:07 PM
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I just remembered two other changes I seem to have noticed regarding boss fights and dropped gold. Can someone confirm whether I'm mistaken or not?
  1. The amount of gold a boss drops depends on how many people entered the match at the beginning, and no longer changes if someone dies before or during the boss fight.
  2. If a teammate dies BEFORE the boss fight, the boss will lose 1/3 of its HP when you start the battle.
  3. I've only had this happen once, but I think the Double Rages boss might become glitched if one or two of your teammates die. I managed to kill the green mantis on my own (the other teammate/s died before reaching the boss fight), but the blue mantis never came down from its perch, meaning I couldn't finish the battle.

If those observations are correct, I think it gives rise to some rather...political dynamics, actually:
  • You don't have to leave the match instantly if someone dies off, because your boss bonus is no longer affected.
  • You may want to keep your teammates alive, because it creates multiple distractions for the boss (i.e. boss won't always attack you)
  • You may want to LET someone die before the boss fight, if you feel that the 33% HP handicap for the boss is worth more than said teammate (not just low-levelled players, but also people who are known to bring crap weapons to a boss fight...or literally do nothing at all and let you do all the work)

For the record, my current play style? I tend to get hit a bit because of my choice of PvE gear (Andromedae legs + M-27B1 makes for sloooooow movement), but I'll pretty much stay alive to do my share of work on Serpent and Double Rages provided people are TRYING to help me kill them. I'm willing to risk losing some health (within reasonable limits) if it means a higher gold pay-off >.>
I wouldn't be too surprised if they finally changed how the gold bonus works for bosses, I sent them in an e-mail a couple days after the release of that update regarding that particular flaw.

Also, that is an interesting glitch with the double rages boss fight. The purple mantis is suppose to come down off the perch when the green mantis has about 1/3 health left. When you get the green mantis that low, he will fly up and travel to the center of the room, THEN the purple mantis will come down and join the green. I guess I could see that kind of glitch happen if you were to kill the green mantis before he was able to fly to the center of the room, which would then never trigger the purple mantis to fly down off the perch. Though you'd have to be pretty lucky to do 1/3 of the green mantis's hp before he does that..must have used hyper clip/thunder suit ability to do that much damage in that short amount of time...OR the green mantis was currently doing a move when he reached 1/3 health which would still keep him in the attacking animation. I doubt though I'll ever be able to reproduce that event lol...I guess it could happen though.
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Old 06-21-2012, 03:39 PM
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Default Double rages

What do you reccomend a good helth for double rages? I have 44500 health and beaten it once , i don't know if it was luck or skill, btw my teamates during that had health around 50000. Our weapons were the nova and the second chainguns...
I hope it was skill...
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Old 06-21-2012, 06:06 PM
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What do you reccomend a good helth for double rages? I have 44500 health and beaten it once , i don't know if it was luck or skill, btw my teamates during that had health around 50000. Our weapons were the nova and the second chainguns...
I hope it was skill...
Well man, I don't know what to tell you. You can beat it with about any amount of HP as long as it is above 20k. I've beat all bosses with full thunder suit, which has 24k ish HP, and I didn't have to heal. But yeah, 40k HP is a good amount to be able to survive.
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Old 06-21-2012, 07:09 PM
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Well man, I don't know what to tell you. You can beat it with about any amount of HP as long as it is above 20k. I've beat all bosses with full thunder suit, which has 24k ish HP, and I didn't have to heal. But yeah, 40k HP is a good amount to be able to survive.
Which weapon did you use?
Did you have a team or were you in single player mode?
Do you think the trinity bow is good for it? I'm saving up for it but i'm not sure...


Wow, I have a lot of questions...
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Old 06-21-2012, 11:26 PM
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Which weapon did you use?
Did you have a team or were you in single player mode?
Do you think the trinity bow is good for it? I'm saving up for it but i'm not sure...


Wow, I have a lot of questions...
haha hardly a lot of quesitons. =p

I use the M-27B1 machine gun, fully upgraded.
I can do it solo and with a team, a team is usually harder cause my teammates don't usually pull their own weight.
Trinity bow is not good for boss battles at all, none of them. If you like pvp then it's pretty good, probably the best. The trinity bow isn't half bad against the alien waves, but you could use the nova27 or M-27B1 or Crab weapons and be just fine. So I wouldn't recommend using the trinity bow for PvE unless you really want to.
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Old 06-21-2012, 11:37 PM
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Default Best weapon

If you calculate the amount of damage per 1.00 (most gun's speeds are faster than that)
The five top weapons (not nessecaraly in this order) is
Trinity
M2781
R700-AA
Nova
windblade
I have nova and love it, have m2781 but slows me down and takes time to warmup, have windblade and it is pretty good, i don't like snipers because they are easy to dodge, and want the trinity because also have splash radius.
In PvP recommend trinity or nova27(mostly trinity) or the windblade if you can get close to an enemy
In PvE I like windblade(no energy cost) but in bosses i think M2781 is okay and don't use windblade. I like the
trinity and nova for this.(for this the splash radius doesn't matter because there is only one enemy. I like the nova more)

In this there should have been the laser cannon but since it has a cooldown time i hate it...
What are your oponions?

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Old 06-22-2012, 10:11 AM
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Default Weapon & Suits selection

Hi guys, I am a rank 5 player,with beginner suits and no upgrade sword ( cutter ), now i have 1.7million and i don't really know what armor and weapon to choose. Should i
1) Get the M-2781 and try to get full set thunder suit( after up 1 rank)
2) Get the Nova27 and try to get full set atom suit(after up 1 rank)

Also,can you guys teach me how to earn cash more effectively because now i really hard to earn cash ,and thunder suit,atom and nova27, m-2781 are expensive.

Btw,I lags in online co-op mode ,airplane mode opened,iPhone 4s without jailbreak,ios 5.0.1

Sorry to have tons of question, appreciate for reply..
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