Armed Heroes© Online(3D MMORPG) - (by EGLS Ltd.)[Universal][Currently only Canada]

[Robotwars]

Originally Posted by atopix

+1 to this.
Runic, instead of attempting to go out of your way to prevent us from playing this, how about using those same efforts to make an official TL game for us?

I laugh at the amount of hypocrites here. If iMame was rereleased, you'd all download the shit out of it, not caring one bit about the lost royalties to the game makers, yet in an apparent "IP copied" instance, everyone cries foul.

Some of the stupidest, most asinine stuff I've read lately is coming from this thread. This makes absolutely no sense at all.

So because their hard work was stolen so another company could make money they should be all like "OK!" and drop what they're doing and start developing for iOS. Absolutely, positively inane thought process. It just defies all logical thinking.

I love how you start off your sentence with ridiculous straw man. They're not going out of their way to stop you from playing, they're going out of their way to stop someone from stealing their work. You'd have to be a small, pathetic man to sit back and let people take advantage of you. Good for Runic for not standing down to this complete and utter BS. No one should have their hard work stolen. No one. So F you all crying because you don't get some cheap iOS knockoff game because another developer is showing some integrity. Get over it.

[atopix]

Originally Posted by Robotwars

Some of the stupidest, most asinine stuff I've read lately is coming from this thread. This makes absolutely no sense at all.

So because their hard work was stolen so another company could make money they should be all like "OK!" and drop what they're doing and start developing for iOS. Absolutely, positively inane thought process. It just defies all logical thinking.

I love how you start off your sentence with ridiculous straw man. They're not going out of their way to stop you from playing, they're going out of their way to stop someone from stealing their work. You'd have to be a small, pathetic man to sit back and let people take advantage of you. Good for Runic for not standing down to this complete and utter BS. No one should have their hard work stolen. No one. So F you all crying because you don't get some cheap iOS knockoff game because another developer is showing some integrity. Get over it.

I like how you took the time childishly assault my post, yet ignore the fact I'm 100% right about the iMame comment.
No proof has been issued that pixel for pixel anything has been stolen here. While I appreciate Runic's standpoint in protecting their work, they would not only have to prove the assets are copied and that their game sales are actually being hurt by this release for anything to be done.

[jsrco]

Originally Posted by atopix

I like how you took the time childishly assault my post, yet ignore the fact I'm 100% right about the iMame comment.
No proof has been issued that pixel for pixel anything has been stolen here. While I appreciate Runic's standpoint in protecting their work, they would not only have to prove the assets are copied and that their game sales are actually being hurt by this release for anything to be done.

On page 6 in this thread it was explained that not only were a lot of texture assests used, but sound the sound assets were as well.

Moreover, in Torchlight there is a sword called the 'Sword of Adam'.
It is modeled after our technical artist, and uses his actual voice to say goofy phrases as you swing it.

They used that as well.

From the videos I have seen it looks like Torchlight wasn't the only game that this picked and choosed from.

You also used IMAME to back up your argument.... wasn't that a free emulator? This game is actually trying to make money off of things that it copied from another game. Everything about it is wrong.

[tbaldree]

No proof has been issued that pixel for pixel anything has been stolen here. While I appreciate Runic's standpoint in protecting their work, they would not only have to prove the assets are copied and that their game sales are actually being hurt by this release for anything to be done.

We unzipped the IPA. (which is easy - it's a zip file! )
There is a sound manifest.
The sound names are verbatim the same as ours.
In fact, it even includes the misspellings -
How's that?

Notice things like
ordrakdie.wav
- that's our game's end boss.

Or how about

mechdwardeath1.wav

which we misspelled in our package files ( supposed to be mechdwarfdeath1.wav )

Anyone with a copy of Torchlight, a copy of WinZip, and a download of Armed Heroes can trivially verify this.


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[Tutt22]

How could they think nobody would notice? That's pretty bad. Though, I guess I didn't notice and I played Torchlight.

[Ashenor]

Down with Armed Heroes, up with another TL2 Beta weekend!

[Exact-Psience]

Too bad, this was a good looking game. But i think the devs on this one went too low and too ignorant thinking theyd get away with it.

[kazcat42]

Originally Posted by atopix

...I'm 100% right about the iMame comment...

100% is a rather large number, lets go with 99% as there is bound to be at least one person who disagrees.

Anyways, you are talking about an emulator for some really old games. The first Mame emulator was released in 1997. Copyright protection is not meant to be infinite and it fact is used to be just 14 years. Now it is the lifetime of the author + 70 years in many cases. (For an informative youtube video using Disney animation see http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CJn_jC4FNDo))

I think that the younger generation expects copyright to be a shorter duration than life + 70 years. I mean, would you feel guilty about "pirating" Pong? I do not support what these people are doing with Torchlight assets, but iMame is totally different, heck it was setup to "preserve gaming history by preventing vintage games from being lost or forgotten.(Wikipedia)

Next time please compare apples to apples not desiccated husks. Thanks!

[kazcat42]

Originally Posted by Hodapp

A pow wow is definitely in order behind the scenes to try to fix it though. Maybe a karma system might work, who knows.

I know what the problem is, TA has gotten too big and the trolls have found us! But please, don't censor. What might work is a down voting option. When a comment is down voted so many times it is auto hidden. That way people wanting to read a constructive forum can, but people wanting the full conversation can click on the hidden posts to view them. Just a thought...

[Wizard_Mike]

I understand people's desire to somehow reconcile this situation so they can just have the game type they so desire. The iOS market really does need some high quality ARPGs and MMOs, so when something that's both comes along it's really exciting.

That's absolutely no excuse to support the blatant theft another developer's assets, though.

Luckily we have Infinity Blade Dungeons and Project Dragon to look forward to. Also Solomon's Keep Deluxe in the distant future (remake of a really awesome dual stick dungeon crawler of which the original is still available).

But for this game, people just need to stop being so selfish and put themselves in Runic's shoes. If you wrote a book, recorded a song, created a work of art, or any other type of creative work and that was your livelihood (ie how you payed for groceries), not just your hobby, then how happy would you be to find your work copied and sold by someone without your permission? Would you really just be like "Haha, no worries bro!"

There's laws about this stuff for a reason. It's not ethical at all. How ethical do you think supporting unethical activity is? Just because you want it or there's no better options for you to play does not make it any less unethical.