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Old 07-17-2012, 12:29 PM
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Default About Armed Heroes Online vs. Torchlight (response from EGLS)

Hi everyone,

Armed Heroes(3D MMORPG) is upcoming to the AppStore on Oct.12th in its new version.

Main features:
Latest iPhone and iOS system supported
Self-developed engine, impression effect
Brilliant particle effect,armor-fashion exchangeable
Copy – core game mode, multiple difficulties challenge
Brand new combination of different gameplays
Clean and clear UI ensures smooth and easy controls.
Voice chat instead of typing brings real-time online interaction within the game world

Game trailer:
http://youtu.be/ZerPYhGvk0U

Thanks for your support!

Last edited by Serena zhang; 10-07-2012 at 09:15 PM.. Reason: hoping everyone's attention can focus on Armed Heroes‘ new version. Thanks very much for all you understanding.
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Old 07-17-2012, 12:37 PM
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The "There is nothing new under the sun" argument. Interesting. Carry on.
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Old 07-17-2012, 01:21 PM
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The "There is nothing new under the sun" argument. Interesting. Carry on.
Actually, that's not what they are arguing. The gist of their defense, for those who don't want to bother reading the whole posts are as follows:

1) the differences between AH and TL are more significant than the similarities.

2) the similarities between AH and TL are due to the fact that both games borrow from similar sources

3) Runic is being hypocritical when they raise such a stink about AH

I won't comment as whether these arguments are valid or reasonable. I do wonder why they haven't answered the second and (to my mind) more serious charge: the wholesale pilfering of sound files, many of which have the same names as the TL original.

Not sure if Runic will respond to this (they might not see the point). Still, I guess it's a good thing that the developers of AH have put out their own take on this debacle.
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Old 07-17-2012, 02:00 PM
Bryan @ Muteki Corp Bryan @ Muteki Corp is offline
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Now I'm not sure I'm reading this right but from what I'm seeing

Runic: "You stole our art!"

EGLS: "We totally wrote the code ourselves!"

Or hmm, for the sake of having fun...

Bank: "You stole our money!"

Robber: "I paid for that getaway car fair and square!"
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Old 07-17-2012, 02:00 PM
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Is it just me or do many of those 'similar' talents seem not similar at all.

Case in point: #11. One is a bomb that shoots blades, where the other is a flying dagger.

It appears all they are saying is 'Not EVERYTHING was inspired by/stolen from TL' and more interestingly 'Look at TL, they did the same as we did.'
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Old 07-17-2012, 02:07 PM
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Now I'm not sure I'm reading this right but from what I'm seeing

Runic: "You stole our art!"

EGLS: "We totally wrote the code ourselves!"

Or hmm, for the sake of having fun...

Bank: "You stole our money!"

Robber: "I paid for that getaway car fair and square!"
You are not reading it right.
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Old 07-17-2012, 02:08 PM
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Also...can Runic be accused of "stealing" from Diablo 2...when the heads of Runic were the heads of Blizzard North, and the designers of Diablo 2?
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Old 07-17-2012, 02:09 PM
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Here's the most damning post from the other thread-


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We unzipped the IPA. (which is easy - it's a zip file! )
There is a sound manifest.
The sound names are verbatim the same as ours.
In fact, it even includes the misspellings -
How's that?

Notice things like
ordrakdie.wav
- that's our game's end boss.

Or how about

mechdwardeath1.wav

which we misspelled in our package files ( supposed to be mechdwarfdeath1.wav )

Anyone with a copy of Torchlight, a copy of WinZip, and a download of Armed Heroes can trivially verify this.


Text follows -

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Old 07-17-2012, 02:10 PM
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You are not reading it right.
I don't see how else to read it.
Runic is accusing EGLS of stealing their assets (in game development, that means maps, models, animations, textures, audio, etc) where the entire response from EGLS seems based around design and game engine / code differences, nothing about the assets themselves, beyond "here's 5 random monsters from TL that don't look like these 5 random monsters from AHO"
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Old 07-17-2012, 02:13 PM
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I wasnt going after the statement and I have to commend the detail of the OP.

I just found the comparison to Torchlight to what came before it interesting.
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