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This is a Thread for those who like to play on the big screen, getting those pesky fingers out of the way. Even though size isn't everything it can make things more enjoyable

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Welcome to the HDMI Loverz Club!

Your gateway into the exciting world of using your idevice as a console using your tv and wireless joysticks so that your idevice can be enjoyed to it's max. This group not only encompasses HDMI users, but also supports conversations about it's twin sister, Appletv, since they basically both do the same thing.

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I recommend this cable: 25 foot hdmi cable for $7. Though any hdmi cable will do.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B000IJ...sr=8-1&pi=SL75

This cable has worked for me. At first I was going to get a 15 foot cable, but man, now I am happy that I got the 25 foot cable as one person recommended, cause I use my ipad in more unexpected places than I thought. Plus you need a long cable so you don't get constrainted.

This generic cable is good quality, doesn't circle up, and has been very reliable, no problems even at 25 foot. Don't get a 6 ft cable, your ipad needs space to move. Get the 25 foot even if you don't need the length now, it is plenty cheap and good.

For the hdmi connector, couldn't find a cheap alternative on amazon. I wouldn't risk a couple of bucks to get a china one and constantly getting a not recognized on my ipad errors.

The ones in the applestore are probably your best bet. Make sure you get the right one cause they make new lightning connection ones too. You can also buy them at Target, Best Buys, Walmarts, and other stores. Try one out, if you don't like it, you can return them within 30 days.

The connectors for iphone 4s, ipad 2&3 (30 pin connector)

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The connectors for iphone 5 and ipad mini and ipad 4 (lightning connector)

http://store.apple.com/us/product/MD...tal-av-adapter

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Lightning Connector HDMI Concerns

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Ipad 3 30 pin HDMI vs Ipad 4 Lightning HDMI Comparison Videos

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Ipad 3 30 pin vs Ipad 4 Lightning Connector Comparisons

http://forums.toucharcade.com/showth...173262&page=28

Menneisyys' The Definitive Comparison: The Two 30-pin HDMI Adapters

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1080p vs 720p and Idevice Resolutions

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Official Ion Icade Game list

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Icade Thread Games List

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Icade Models and Buying Guide

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Which icade should I get thread?

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Top 10 icade joystick games

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Toucharcade Icade Compatible Games List

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Ironman on an ipad 3 hdmi tv... And attached is Repulze.

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List of Recommended HDMI Games that Users Here Liked

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Repulze
Tabletop Racing - Icade
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Mikey Shorts - Icade, Joypad
Real Racing 3
Reckless Racing 2
Deathsmiles
Dariusburst
Fifa 13
Virtua Tennis
Plasma Sky - Icade
The Other Brothers - Icade
Blazing Star - Icade
Metal Slug X - Icade
Phoenix HD - Icade
Raiden Legacy - Icade
Sky Riders - Icade
Wild Blood - Duo
Nova 3 - Duo
Asphalt 7 - Duo
Modern Combat 3&4 - Duo

Joystick Notations - Icade, Duo (Gameloft), Joypad (Using your iphone as a joystick)

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Plasma Sky icade code beta testing

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Icade Controller Mappings Thread

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Icade Button Modification

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Where to buy an icade core joystick in Europe

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Modern Combat 4 cancels Gameloft Duo Gamer Joystick Support

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Watching movies in 1080p on tv

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Below is Afterburner Climax on an ipad 3 hdmi, attached is Tabletop Racing.

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BTW, Connector, I wanna know what it's like playing on TV! Only a couple more weeks til I'll get to see for myself! =oD


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I got some good news for you! Repulze plays GREAT on my bigscreen TV via hdmi. I thought it would because of the 3d like graphics and sense of speed from being a futuristic racer. I use the stretch mode on my tv, so this game plays full screen which makes this game very impressive to see.

In fact, this game is a lot like Need for Speed Most Wanted, the framerates and sense of speed almost seem double that of my new ipad! It is unbelievable! I don't know what causes this change in the perception of speed, but it is something that you would have to see to appreciate. Hdmi TV is AWESOME!

I enjoy playing this game in tilt mode since I am using my ipad only as a joystick, while watching my tv. Usually tilt control affects your vision since your ipad moves around so much, but watching it on the big screen is so amazing. Makes my old xbox look cruddy by comparison, maybe it's the retina graphics, maybe its the hdmi, but man, my xbox did not look like this. I'm enjoying my crazy ipad console much more than I ever enjoyed my xbox.

One interesting note is that usually, I like to dim my ipad to lowest brightness, to not distract my viewing of the TV, but for this game, I prefer my ipad on full brightness, it kind of adds a ice skating reflections effect while playing this game. This is kind of odd, but seeing all the colors and vivid 3d backgrounds, is very much intoxicating.

I have another game called Ion Racer that plays a lot like this game. I never really played that game too much, but wow, that plays good on my TV too! So much so, I played both games for about an hour. I rarely ever played Ion Racer, but it is so much funner playing on tv with tilt control. But Repulze beats it hands down.

I never thought I would like widescreen format for games and prefered 4:3 in the past, but my thinking has changed. Using various modes on my tv like zoom, stretch, panoramic, wide, normal, etc, I can create a different feel to any game, which I can not do on my ipad. But getting that hallway widescreen feel is really warming up to me, especially motion and driving games, where widescreen seems like a perfect match.

Syntheticvoid, you will enjoy the hdmi connector, hopefully you have a retina ipad, so you can see how crisp some of the graphics look on the tv. Movies too look wonderful in 1080p. Even music playing through hdmi plays so great, makes me not even need a stereo.

But the most impressive things are games like Repulze, that feel so much faster framerate wise on the tv. Speed seems almost twice as fast. And the graphics are totally sharp. I was shocked how good many games play on hdmi, and how well a lot play on my tv. True, I have to use stretch mode, but actually even if the view is a little stretched, it looks wonderful for most games. Many iphone only games or bordered games, I use zoom mode.

Like Deathsmiles, I just recently bought it and Raystorm. Until hdmi, I never would have bought an iphone only game. But man, on tv, it doesn't matter! I use zoom mode, and bam, Deathsmiles and Raystorm look just like I was in the arcades, only better cause the tv is so dang big! And I only have a 40 incher, can't imagine how it would look on a 50 incher.

I would have never believed that my ipad could be such an awesome console, but man, with over 6000 games to choose from, it is awesome. Some games that support airplay like Beat Hazard, Asphalt 7, Real racing 2, fifa 13, etc... All use airplay where it is full screen on my tv, and the ipad is used for controls or maps only. It is an incredible experience. Especially Beat Hazard. I used to play it alot on my iphone, but after I got my ipad, kind of stopped. But wow, on hdmi, with volume jacked on my tv, wow, it is AWESOME! The music visualizer effects on a big screen tv are out of this world!

And since we are both fans of shmups and dual sticks, I will be happy to report, that they work great on hdmi. A game I bought because of your recommendations, Alpha Zero, plays oh so awesome as a console game. Using my ipad as a multitouch joystick is just wonderful! And it has awesome 3d graphics! Anything that looks 3d stands out soooo much better on tv. Repulze looks better, but one of the most impressive games is Dariusburst with zoom mode on to get rid of the borders. Wow, Dariusburst looks totally awesome! You will like Mutantstorm too on tv! Only problem is Space Tripper seems to crash on hdmi for me, which is too bad.

A lot of my recent games that I know we both have play awesome on tv. Crumble zone, Mutant Fridge, Ronin, nfs most wanted, crazy taxi, wild blood, Jet set radio, League of Evil 2 with icade (below), etc, play so well. In fact, I just started playing crazy taxi, and man, it plays so much better on my tv than I remember it playing in the arcade or my old xbox, they did a great job with that game.

All the one touch and endless runners play well too. Whale tail, tiny wings hd, ski safari, jetpack joyride, luna bears, blood roofs, etc, wow, they look oh so nice and work wonderfully. Tilt based games work great, especially racing games, Asphalt, NFS, real racing and others, work so great! Using my ipad as a steering wheel is so wonderul, and having a huge tv as my screen has done wonders to my gaming experience.

And this brings me back to Repulze. For only a buck, I feel blessed to have this gem on my ipad and tv. It really looks wonderful on my tv, much like wipeout used to on my consoles of old. I am happy to hear of an update for the tilt sensitivity, cause when I use my ipad as a steering wheel, and crank my tv volume super high, and see my tv streaming the incredible visuals, I look back, and smile.

Repulze, make sure you try it on hdmi tv. You will like it Syntheticvoid, I guarantee you that. Now I'm gonna load on Flashout and AXL, and see how they look on my tv. Look forward to trying out the new control options on flashout. I'll let you know how they play on tv.

I'm not home right now, but I look forward to playing Repulze, Ion Racer, Flashout, and AXL on my tv when I get home. Man, for only a buck, Repulze is way cool. Never realized an ipad could be such a cool console. And Happy early birthday Syntheticvoid, I know my constant praise of hdmi has influenced your bday gift this year. Hope you like it as much as me!



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What are the best icade core games?

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Exact Pscience talks about the ipad mini

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Thanks for that very indepth post Connector! I just ordered my adapter and cable today, but I won't get it until next month (probably) since it's being shipped across seas - but I'm super stoked to check everything out... unfortunately, I don't have a retina iPad - that'll probably be something I wind up getting next year... I usually switch off - get an iPod/iPhone one year, iPad the next...

Anywho... thanks again for all the great info and impressions! =oD
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Thanks for that very indepth post Connector! I just ordered my adapter and cable today, but I won't get it until next month (probably) since it's being shipped across seas - but I'm super stoked to check everything out... unfortunately, I don't have a retina iPad - that'll probably be something I wind up getting next year... I usually switch off - get an iPod/iPhone one year, iPad the next...

Anywho... thanks again for all the great info and impressions! =oD
Yeah, I wonder how hdmi would look on an ipad 2 or mini. My ipad 2 res games like ronin, polara, dodonpachis, and bug princesses all look pretty good on the tv, so I think Repulze too will show the increase of speed that I see on my tv and also the nice hallway widescreen effect on an ipad 2.

I hope your tv has a lot of zooming options, my tv has normal, wide, zoom, stretch, and panorama. The letterboxing of games is disappointing at first, but when I use stretch or zoom mode to get the game full widescreen on my tv, wow, it is pretty impressive. Have to fiddle a little with all the screen modes though to see which tv mode works best. Generally stretch or wide seem best, but some games like Deathsmiles or Dariusburst, man, wow look great on zoom mode, it takes out all black bars (which I would see on my new ipad)!

Landscape games work well in stretch mode, portrait mode though, it is hard to stretch to full screen due to no screen mode for that, so usually play vertical shmups and such in wide mode. For portrait games, you do have to be closer to your tv for good effect since the letterboxing plays an important role. When I am playing vertical shmups like dodonpachi or bug princess, I sit about 5 feet from my tv using wide mode. For landscape and airplay games, I sit about 10 feet back and use stretch mode. That is for a 40" screen. Games must look better on a 50" screen or bigger. A long hdmi cable is important, I got a 25 ft hdmi cable off Amazon for $6 and it is working great.

But I am curious how much of a difference a retina vs non retina ipad hdmi makes. Anyone have hdmi and both a newer ipad and ipad 2, and can let us know? I am curious to know if retina would make a huge difference in hdmi performance.

Below, Beat Hazard using airplay widescreen hdmi.


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Yeah, I wonder how hdmi would look on an ipad 2 or mini. My ipad 2 res games like ronin, polara, dodonpachis, and bug princesses all look pretty good on the tv, so I think Repulze too will show the increase of speed that I see on my tv and also the nice hallway widescreen effect on an ipad 2.

I hope your tv has a lot of zooming options, my tv has normal, wide, zoom, stretch, and panorama. The letterboxing of games is disappointing at first, but when I use stretch or zoom mode to get the game full widescreen on my tv, wow, it is pretty impressive. Have to fiddle a little with all the screen modes though to see which tv mode works best. Generally stretch or wide seem best, but some games like Deathsmiles or Dariusburst, man, wow look great on zoom mode, it takes out all black bars (which I would see on my new ipad)!

Landscape games work well in stretch mode, portrait mode though, it is hard to stretch to full screen due to no screen mode for that, so usually play vertical shmups and such in wide mode. For portrait games, you do have to be closer to your tv for good effect since the letterboxing plays an important role. When I am playing vertical shmups like dodonpachi or bug princess, I sit about 5 feet from my tv using wide mode. For landscape and airplay games, I sit about 10 feet back and use stretch mode. That is for a 40" screen. Games must look better on a 50" screen or bigger. A long hdmi cable is important, I got a 25 ft hdmi cable off Amazon for $6 and it is working great.

But I am curious how much of a difference a retina vs non retina ipad hdmi makes. Anyone have hdmi and both a newer ipad and ipad 2, and can let us know? I am curious to know if retina would make a huge difference in hdmi performance.
Connector: are you sure that the screen res of the ipad affects the video output? I was checking the specs on my Ipad Bitty, and it shoots the same resolution Video as an iPad 4, iirc. I know those are two different things, but I'm not sure if it's really a bottleneck. Sure, you'll have less effects (maybe...see ipad 3 for an example of a devices pushing more pixels than it has any business doing), but I'm not sure about the resolution. What I'm thinking is the graphics processor might not be locked in and limited to the screen resolution.
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Connector: are you sure that the screen res of the ipad affects the video output? I was checking the specs on my Ipad Bitty, and it shoots the same resolution Video as an iPad 4, iirc. I know those are two different things, but I'm not sure if it's really a bottleneck. Sure, you'll have less effects (maybe...see ipad 3 for an example of a devices pushing more pixels than it has any business doing), but I'm not sure about the resolution. What I'm thinking is the graphics processor might not be locked in and limited to the screen resolution.
Well, that is kind of what I was asking, this whole hdmi, airplay, apple tv console stuff is kind of a weird tech demo, haha!

That's why I was asking someone who had hdmi and a retina ipad and non retina ipad to let us know. I can tell you this from my use of hdmi, games with ipad 2 resolution like ronin, polara, etc; do not look as good as retina games on my tv. So retina graphics, I think do make a difference.

My tv is 1080p, not really sure how retina ipad figures into it during hdmi mirroring mode, but my tv does not quite show the resolution if retina ipad. However, overall it looks much better due to better brightness, contrast, colors, and of course size. So much so that it is getting hard for me to play on my retina ipad. Much prefer tv, but of course not all games control well on tv like some puzzle games and street fighter games.

So yes, I *think* retina ipads will look better. Maybe not full ipad retina level, but somewhere inbetween cause it is being converted to 1080p.

Another baffling thing is airplay. Airplay games are all widescreen, but looks like lower resolution like ipad 2 level. Really strange, hard to explain until you experience it, but on tv, with so many zoom modes available, airplay games, apple tv, hdmi, ipad retina, ipad 2 res, iphone only, landscape, portrait, etc; it is quite like a tech demo.

But man, it is fun! I know there are not many people out there that use their ipads as consoles, but being on the forefront of technology is totally fun. It is kind of like hacking around with a pc, so many settings, situations, like a wonderful tech demo.

I really think this will catch on, having tablets as consoles. Using an ipad as a joystick or even having a wireless joystick will be the ultimate.

Repulze looks great, way better on hdmi tv. Now I loaded on flashout, axl, ion racer, all play well on my tv. Close games like catch the arc, riptide gp, or shrine runner, wow all of these motion games look much better than what I remember from my arcade games. A huge tv makes a mammoth difference.

Ok, going back to playing Repulze on my tv. See yas. If anyone has hdmi, a retina ipad and non retina ipad, let us know if it displays differently on a hdmi tv!

Real Racing 3 on ipad 3 hdmi.


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I got some good news for you! Repulze plays GREAT on my bigscreen TV via hdmi...
I'm glad that you're enjoying hdmi out Connector, it really is awesome and I wish more games would be fully supported (at 1080p).

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Connector: are you sure that the screen res of the ipad affects the video output? I was checking the specs on my Ipad Bitty, and it shoots the same resolution Video as an iPad 4, iirc. I know those are two different things, but I'm not sure if it's really a bottleneck. Sure, you'll have less effects (maybe...see ipad 3 for an example of a devices pushing more pixels than it has any business doing), but I'm not sure about the resolution. What I'm thinking is the graphics processor might not be locked in and limited to the screen resolution.
Ipad 2 is 720p on hdmi out (For video). Ipad 3 and up is 1080p. Other than that it's mostly about performance, the retina aspect doesn't change anything. Some games will run better with the ipad 2 in Hdmi because it doesn't need to push that huge resolution at the same time, especially against the ipad 3.

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Ipad 2 is 720p on hdmi out (For video). Ipad 3 and up is 1080p.
I wonder:

1. which hardware/cable is needed to have HD video mirroring? Is AmazonBasics cable good for that? Is Apple 30-pin Digital AV Adapter needed?

2. How/why app/game has to support specific output?

I'm evaluating to adopt a dedicated iPad (+ iCade) to be my only game machine, so I'm very interested

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