The NFL Thread - Because football is awesome.

01-14-2013, 12:02 PM
#91
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Originally Posted by Allanon View Post
And there's only one opinion for people who "know football" lol

For u Wilson is better, for me Kap is. It's not objective truth and that's what many people fail to realize when comparing players and teams.

Stats don't even equate to objective truth.

Look at the Giants last year, going into the playoffs, objectively most people wouldn't think they'd make it out the first round. There isn't a measure for the underdog mentality.
Forget the stats. I don't even know them.

"for me", Kap is actually better.

I watched Kap the other night pull off what's easily the greatest QB performance I've ever witnessed. The guys a badass.

But the decision making, the ball placement, the things that truly make a QB great, Wilson has the edge.

I think over over time, Kap may become better than Wilson. I don't think Wilson is gonna have the greatest career. I think Kap could have a damn solid one if he stays in SF

Kap is so much more athletic, that its hard to compare the actual QB assets. So forget rushing, I'm only talking about passing.

Because of the rushing, Kap is a better player. Like Cam Newton style. Wilson is just a really solid quarterback

And because of Kap's talent, and potential I'd pick him over Wilson any day
01-14-2013, 04:55 PM
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I came here to point out an error in the thread title... then I read some of the posts and decided it isn't worth my time. I'm drawing several interesting comparisons to religious beliefs though, so if any of you are atheist, I hope you're feeling the shame. Happy Monday everybody

01-14-2013, 07:04 PM
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Originally Posted by MidianGTX View Post
I came here to point out an error in the thread title... then I read some of the posts and decided it isn't worth my time. I'm drawing several interesting comparisons to religious beliefs though, so if any of you are atheist, I hope you're feeling the shame. Happy Monday everybody
This post makes lentil chips seem logical.
01-15-2013, 12:01 AM
#94
Late, but whatever.

01-15-2013, 03:48 AM
#95
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At the end of the day Kap is in his 2nd year, Wilson is rookie year. One thing i love about the NFL is to see how a player does in his career, i'm currently selling lots of NFL preview mags from the 90's/early 00's on ebay and i've had a quick flick through, its fascinating to see what the 'experts' say about particular players, college and NFL.

In one mag they showed the top class for next year, QB Quincy Carter they had as the top rated player entering the draft ! Look what happened to him ! Robert Gallery was a 'cant miss' prospect at LT, he was a huge flop for Oakland. JaMarcus Russell actually showed a lot of promise, in his 2nd year he threw 13 td's and 8 ints on a very poor Raider team, as a 22 year old thats not too bad. His uncle (mentor) died and his life outside football went downhill and so did his play and now hes a total bust and out of football and no doubt will have lost his money soon.

This year was amazing for young QB's, i'm fascinated to see how Griffin/Luck/Wilson/Kap etc do in the future. I cant believe all 4 will carry on playing well. (might do).

Just in the past i've seen it before with young QB's and many start going downhill. Be interesting to watch
01-15-2013, 09:31 AM
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Yeah I'm definately looking forward to watching these guys careers.

You do realize all my long winded rants are light hearted and just my observations and opinions on the subject of future success.

And @SID that gif was just added to my massive collection
01-15-2013, 09:48 AM
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^Dont worry i take them that way. As always on a forum you cant tell the tone of the conversation but you said originally it was all light hearted so when i read your posts i take them that way.

Its only though that in the last 27 years of being an NFL fan i've heard so many fans over the years praise one player like theyre some teenage girl whos obsessed with Justin Bieber, you talk to them a few years later and they laugh when they admit that 'great WR' they raved on about was in fact rubbish.

But thats whats so great about sports, so many different stories, trades/draft picks - will they be great like they were in college or not etc ? So many stories.

One friend was a Redskins fan and a big college football fan. Now i dont mind college football but i've heard again for the 13241241th time that 'this rookie QB will blow the NFL away....' and all because they put up 60 points against some crappy defense in college doesnt equate to the pros.

Anyway he was convinced Steve Spurrier would create a revolution even with the likes of Danny Wuerrfel (his record settting QB at Florida) in the NFL

Did that happen ? Hell no ! Wuerrfel was dire, Spurrier was sacked and went back with his tail between his legs to the college game.

When the Raiders cut Jeff George their rocket armed QB and brought in Rich 'noodle arm' Gannon the backup of the Chiefs i thought NOOOO. Give me the rocket arm of George over Gannon the perrenial backup.

4 years later, 4 pro bowls and a superbowl appearance and i realised i might have been a big hasty about Gannon

Kurt Warner i saw play in NFL Europe, thought he was very good but when he had to start for the Rams (As their starter Trent Green was injured in preseason) lots of people thought surely Vermeil will sign a veteran QB but no he went with Warner. So glad Warner did well, no one thought that would happen !

Thats what i love about the NFL, all these experts tell you stuff and its hardly ever right, plus in todays free agency NFL teams go from 5-11 to 11-5 year after year which gives us all hope ! Very difficult to predict things anymore
01-15-2013, 10:17 AM
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Yeah you're completely right. And perfect examples. It'll really be interesting watching these guys turn into whatever their gonna turn into.

Thats why I'm so skeptical about really anybody, and why I don't want to say Wilson/Kap/rg3/luck will have great careers. Because everyone says they will.

That's also why I say Cam will.. Because It has nothing to do with mags and media. And because everyone said/says he wouldn't/won't.

I studied the guy in college just cuz I liked his swag and he was getting some attention. I told everyone he was a the shit, and then he won the heismen. I then told everyone that he will succeed in the NFL, and he got drafted by my team, and had the greatest rookie season ever.

I studied him harder this year then ever.. Three years of studying the guy, I just feel like I can honestly say two things.

1. He will succeed beyond that of some of these other rookie's career
2. I'm not biased in that thinking. Just knowledged in the ways of Mr. Cameron Newton.


You might say that is biased cuz I haven't studied everyone else, but I feel like I can talk about newton without bias, because I was doing it before he was doing the superman.

Anyhoo...
01-19-2013, 06:40 PM
#99
I'm from England, UK and love the Redskins

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01-20-2013, 07:13 AM
conference finals day today! i don't know about the early match, but in the AFC, i have a feeling that the patriots' time has come to go all the way meaning win today and win SB in two weeks too.

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