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Old 10-01-2013, 06:07 PM
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I am not from the USA, so to me this seems like the most strange thing ever. How does the government of the most powerful country just shut down?
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As the United States approached a budget crisis that will shut down many federal services and affect more than 700,000 workers, other countries looked on with a mixture of puzzlement and dread.

For most of the world, a government shutdown is very bad news - the result of revolution, invasion or disaster. Even in the middle of its ongoing civil war, the Syrian government has continued to pay its bills and workers' wages.

That leaders of one of the most powerful nations on earth willingly provoked a crisis that suspends public services and decreases economic growth is astonishing to many.

American policymakers "are facing the unthinkable prospect of shutting down the government as they squabble over the inconsequential accomplishment of a 10-week funding extension", Mexico's The News wrote in an editorial.

In the United States, however, government shutdowns - or the threat thereof - have become an accepted negotiating tactic, thanks to the quirks of the American federal system, which allows different branches of government to be controlled by different parties. It was a structure devised by the nation's founders to encourage compromise and deliberation, but lately has had just the opposite effect.

Elsewhere in the world, such shutdowns are practically impossible. The parliamentary system used by most European democracies ensures that the executive and legislature are controlled by the same party or coalition. Conceivably, a parliament could refuse to pass a budget proposed by the prime minister, but such an action would likely trigger a failure of the government and a new election - witness the current situation in the Netherlands, where Prime Minister Mark Rutte's government faced a no-confidence vote at the start of debate over his 2014 budget proposal. And even when there is a gap prior to a new government taking office, national services continue to operate.

In non-parliamentary democracies, such as Brazil, a strong executive branch has the ability to keep the lights on during a budget impasse. Such was the case in the United States as well, until a 1980 Carter administration interpretation of the 1884 Anti-Deficiency Act strictly limited the powers of federal agencies in the absence of congressional funding authorisations.

Now, as the latest shutdown crisis plays out, policymakers in other nations are left to ponder the worldwide impact of the impasse.

"Globalisation means every country is in it together," writes David Blanchflower in the Independent in the UK. "Americans sneeze and Brits catch the flu."

"Canadians can only pray their economy won't be collateral damage," writes John Ibbitson in Canada's Globe and Mail. "Anything that drags down the American economy drags the Canadian economy down with it."

And this could be another reason why the United States has shutdown crises and other countries don't - because the United States can afford to. At least up until now, the American economy has been able to continue to grind along despite shutdown disruptions that would stagger other nations.

"Constant-shutdown, permanent-emergency governance is so destructive that no other serious country engages in or could tolerate it," James Fallows writes in the Atlantic. "The United States can afford it only because we are - still - so rich, with so much margin for waste and error."
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Old 10-01-2013, 06:09 PM
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Five words...

Jon. Stewart's. Rockin'. Shutdown. Eve.

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Old 10-01-2013, 07:06 PM
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You all sound like this is the fault of the Republicans as a whole when in fact it's just a small group of radicals within the Republican party. It's just pointing fingers to make yourselves feel good. The majority of Republicans disagree with Ted Cruz and have repeatedly asked him to step down and stop this fiasco.

I myself have no opinion whether I like the Republicans or Democrats, just before you try to flame me for the above^^. It's just that both have recently become unprofessional. It's unlike Republicans to crap on each other in public as they usually do it behind closed doors, but Democrats have a history of doing so.

I feel pretty bad for the "un-essential" federal workers that live paycheck to paycheck. It's completely unfair.
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Old 10-01-2013, 07:13 PM
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Politics have been unprofessional in the west for a while now, they just seem to redefine the word by pretending everything they do is normal. Mind you, it's probably because it's so boring. They're trying to turn it into football or something.
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Old 10-01-2013, 07:34 PM
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You all sound like this is the fault of the Republicans as a whole when in fact it's just a small group of radicals within the Republican party. It's just pointing fingers to make yourselves feel good. The majority of Republicans disagree with Ted Cruz and have repeatedly asked him to step down and stop this fiasco.
It's the "Tea Party" Republicans from 2010 and '12. That's why the GOP is at an impasse right now - do they stick to the more moderate, middle-right line and alienate the libertarian-uber conservative populous, or abide by their constituents' wishes (many, if not most of these people got elected on a repeal Obamacare platform) and try to bring the healthcare law down in flames?

Thing is, the law's not popular here, but neither is the way in which it's being attacked. Hopefully the Dems will blink first, but I don't see that happening - they're scoring too many political points and getting some nasty jabs in during this whole debacle.

Then there's the whole mess with the national debt. The wastefulness on display there in nearly every possibly way is incredible.

Terms limits, term limits, term limits. Nothing changes if we keep electing these same career fools for 50 years. Congress has a 10% approval rating.
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Old 10-02-2013, 02:29 AM
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The Republicans (pushed by white, right wing ultra-conservative Christian anarchist Tea Party assholes) want to shut down the government because they don't wanna see needy Americans get affordable health coverage. Unbelievable, huh?
The underlying truth to the matter is that that it's all about denying President Obama's legacy as having helped solve our dysfunctional health care problem we've had for years. That's the bottom line.
Actually, the law must be popular here, as this argument has already been decided when Obama was re-elected. Romney lost, and all that rhetoric died there. Or it should have.......

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Old 10-02-2013, 12:45 PM
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I can see the headline now: BLACK MAN SAVES WHITE LIVES. WHITES FURIOUS.
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Old 10-02-2013, 01:10 PM
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I can see the headline now: BLACK MAN SAVES WHITE LIVES. WHITES FURIOUS.
I. LOVE. You.

DBC

Edit: P.S. It's TOTALLY not about race. Sheesh.

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