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GTA 3 Sales iOS vs Android - Why developers should ditch the Android platform

12-17-2011, 11:03 AM
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GTA 3 Sales iOS vs Android - Why developers should ditch the Android platform

As I predicted, GTA3 has enough muscles to beat Infinity Blade 2 and went all the way to the top paid app download list and #1 at top grossing chart as well. This is extra impressive given the fact that Rockstar has NO IAP like Infinity Blade 2 to pad their numbers. Great effort and greatly rewarded by Apple's super ecosystem! Hopefully this will mean much more to come from big developers!

4S and iPad 2 already has more muscles than PS2 (higher graphic quality GTA3 for sure), in two years we will have PS3 grade hardware in our pockets and games like Skyrim or Modern Warfare (may need to be shorter but just as sweet style like EA's Dead Space) is very doable with A5 as minimum hardware requirement IF the developer sees enough profit potential.

What about Android? Not only way more device incompatibility issues (can't run it on 2 of the 3 Verizon flagship phones) and bad bad reviews, but the game also sold EXTREMELY poorly. There were multiple versions of the game, none of them on first page of top paid, none of them on first page of top grossing. The highest selling version is stuck between 10000-50000 copies (other versions are 1000-5000, ouch) sold TOTAL, while we all know to be top 5 on paid list of iOS store, you have to score at least 100000 copies on your opening day alone.

https://market.android.com/details?i...3Rhci5ndGEzIl0.

And of course, the game is not released on Amazon apps market so #1 selling Android tablet users are out of luck, fragmented ecosystem, fragmented hardware, and piracy! Given the way the game is advertised across every tech blog, I am sure more than 50000 Android users are playing the game. Rockstar should see it is not worth their time and focus all of their energy on iOS going forward. They probably lost a lot of money on the Android side of this development.

Gameloft tried to feed Android with old iOS ports but even they have slowed down. Modern Combat 3, Gangstar Rio etc are all iOS only for now. Same with EA with Sims Freeplay and Need For Speed Shift 2 just to name a few.

Google needs to clean up their act for Android ecosystem to be worthwhile. Like Microsoft did with DirectX Google needs to provide a unified API. Can they do it? Unlike Microsoft with Windows, Google does not make money from Android directly and has very little experience with hardware support. An iOS user is still using Google search. Until this happens iOS will continue to pocket 90% of the apps revenue AND 55%+ of all mobile phone revenues, Apple making more money from iPhone alone than Google's whole business.

I LOVE the huge 4.5" screens (Galaxy Nexus screen + everything else 4S = perfect phone for me). But it looks like it is much easier for Apple to offer a bigger screen than Google to ever clean up their ecosystem. Apple already offers screen size choices for iMac/Macbook, time to do it for iPhone!

Last edited by hitmantb; 12-17-2011 at 12:37 PM.
12-17-2011, 11:24 AM
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Originally Posted by hitmantb View Post
As I predicted, GTA3 has enough muscles to beat Infinity Blade 2 and went all the way to the top paid app download list and #1 at top grossing chart as well. This is extra impressive given the fact that Rockstar has NO IAP like Infinity Blade 2 to pad their numbers. Great effort and greatly rewarded by Apple's super ecosystem! Hopefully this will mean much more to come from big developers!

4S and iPad 2 already has more muscles than PS2 (higher graphic quality GTA3 for sure), in two years we will have PS3 grade hardware in our pockets and games like Skyrim or Modern Warfare (may need to be shorter but just as sweet style like EA's Dead Space) is very doable with A5 as minimum hardware requirement IF the developer sees enough profit potential.

What about Android? Not only way more device incompatibility issues (can't run it on 2 of the 3 Verizon flagship phones) and bad bad reviews, but the game also sold EXTREMELY poorly. There were multiple versions of the game, none of them on first page of top paid, none of them on first page of top grossing. The game is stuck between 10000-50000 copies, while we all know to be top 5 on paid list of iOS store, you have to score at least 100000 copies on your opening day.

https://market.android.com/details?i...3Rhci5ndGEzIl0.

And of course, the game is not released on Amazon apps market, fragmented ecosystem, fragmented hardware, and piracy! Given the way the game is advertised across every tech blog, I am sure more than 50000 Android users are playing the game. Rockstar should see it is not worth their time and focus all of their energy on iOS going forward.

Gameloft tried to feed Android with old iOS ports but even they have slowed down. Modern Combat 3, Gangstar Rio etc are all iOS only for now. Same with EA with Sims Freeplay and Need For Speed Shift 2 just to name a few.

Google needs to clean up their act for Android ecosystem to be worthwhile. Like Microsoft did with DirectX Google needs to provide a unified API. Can they do it? Unlike Microsoft with Windows, Google does not make money from Android directly and has very little experience with hardware support. An iOS user is still using Google search.

Until this happens iOS will continue to pocket 90% of the apps revenue AND 55%+ of all mobile phone revenues. What good is market share if there is no profit? And it is just a matter of time before iPhone is offered on more carriers. I am sure iPhone outsells Android on every carrier that offers both.

I actually really like Android, I like the customization and I LOVE the huge 4.5" screens (imagine iOS gaming on a Galaxy Note sized tablet phone). But it looks like it is much easier for Apple to offer a bigger screen than Google to ever clean up their ecosystem. Apple already offers screen size choices for most of their products, time to do it for iPhone!
This all sounds like a monologue by someone looking to rationalize their decision to overpay for an Apple iPhone. I like Apple, but the fact that you go out of your way to attempt to compare sales numbers between the two platforms is downright hilarious. Who are you to demand from developers what to focus their resources on? Yes, the Android ecosystem is fragmented and that makes sales tracking more difficult, so what? You think some iOS developers aren't dealing with piracy and poor sales too?

In my humble opinion, your entire rant was unnecessary and reeked of Apple fanboyism. And this is coming from an iTouch owner.

12-17-2011, 11:33 AM
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Originally Posted by hiptanaka View Post
This all sounds like a monologue by someone looking to rationalize their decision to overpay for an Apple iPhone. I like Apple, but the fact that you go out of your way to attempt to compare sales numbers between the two platforms is downright hilarious. Who are you to demand from developers what to focus their resources on? Yes, the Android ecosystem is fragmented and that makes sales tracking more difficult, so what? You think some iOS developers aren't dealing with piracy and poor sales too?

In my humble opinion, your entire rant was unnecessary and reeked of Apple fanboyism. And this is coming from an iTouch owner.
Both of you guys crack me up!
12-17-2011, 11:41 AM
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ditching development for RIM products I can understand at this point.

But ditching development for Android could/would still be a loss of a large chunk of potential customer base.

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12-17-2011, 11:55 AM
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The answer lies in your own words.


You say there are multiple copies of GTA on the Android market and each gets 50,000 sales. That's not just 50,000 sales, that's 50,000 multiplied by X amount of versions of the game they have on offer. That's why none got to the top - because they each had modest sales individually, but probably accumulated sales are very worthwhile.

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12-17-2011, 12:25 PM
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I checked all four versions, the other versions were 1000-5000, non-factors.

Combined they would not be more than 50000, and on iOS, that is going to be less than the sale of the first 3 hours.
12-17-2011, 12:32 PM
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As long as Rockstar is still making a PROFIT off the android, it's worth it for them. Because that means they've gotten back every cent they put into the game on those devices and then some. I'm not saying devs shouldn't focus more on iOS, but as long as you are turning a profit, it's plain ignorant to ditch the entire platform...

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12-17-2011, 12:33 PM
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There is no way they can turn a profit with the Android sales numbers. The support/development cost is MUCH higher for Android with the fragmentation as well.
12-17-2011, 12:39 PM
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Originally Posted by hitmantb View Post
There is no way they can turn a profit with the Android sales numbers. The support/development cost is MUCH higher for Android with the fragmentation as well.
How do u know?

I'm not saying I disagree but I'd genuinely like to know. It is a port after all.
12-17-2011, 12:46 PM
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I am sure it cost Rockstar a couple of millions to produce a port of this quality. Nothing compared to GTA 4 budget of course (100 million), but you gotta hire programmers, artists to re-touch the images, product manager's time, QA team's time, marketing, etc etc etc. Then there is on-going support/update.

The collective amount of resources spent is a lot higher for a company like Rockstar than say, Mika the indie developer (I love the guy, but the reality is when you are small you can do more with less because of lower overhead, you can work 100 hours a week if you want to, etc).

And keep in mind those are opening day sales numbers. Like movies, a weak opening at the box office is almost impossible to recover from.

Last edited by hitmantb; 12-17-2011 at 12:53 PM.