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#981
06-24-2012, 08:35 AM
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@ undead.exe
You my friend, rock.  That's exactly what I needed. I couldn't figure out what "medium" was, but I think I'm rank 4, so I've got a couple more slogs before I can bump up a bit. If I could, how high do the ranks go? Regarding my weapon choices, your suggestion is quite attainable, so I'll pick that up next. Are the Thunder/Atom armors two different types? If so, is one more useful? As to the armor, great info on the chest vs. legs. Thanks for it! TBH, what I want more than anything is a way to pick up more Gold for now (ammo reserves), but it doesn't look like there's an easy solution for a complete noob... DBC 
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#982
06-24-2012, 09:19 AM
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Levels and armour
http://www34.atwiki.jp/starwarfareapp/pages/16.html
A site I found with EXTENSIVE information on the price of all equipment, as well as their unlock ranks and effects. Gonna ask someone to incorporate that into the Star Warfare wiki to give newbies some direction with regards to financial decisions. --------------------- The ranks currently go as high as level 12, but you'll be able to buy everything once you hit rank 8 or 9 (I can't confirm what the Perseus' unlock rank is because I've been sitting at rank 11 or 12 for a while now). The Thunder and Atom armours are two different sets, both unlocked at level 6. The Atom set is known for boosting the power of beam-class weapons by 30% (so the laser guns, the laser cannon and the railguns -- NOT the plasma launchers or the Morpheus). The Thunder set has less HP than the Atom set, but you can activate a special ability where your power is boosted by 50% (on top of whatever you already have) and your speed increases by 2 points. The bonus lasts for 10 seconds, and then has to cool down for 30 seconds before you can use it again. (Also note that the special traits I just mentioned above only occur when you have the FULL set of armour on, you won't have either of them if you've got a mix of different armour sets equipped) The Atom suit is only useful once you have at least one beam class weapon. Pretty sure everyone will agree on which one you should get first: the NOVA-27. It's got decent power and fire rate on its own, and beam-class weapons will actually pierce through multiple opponents, meaning you can shoot several enemies at once with a single shot. The Thunder suit will generally work well with any equipment: you should use its special ability to get yourself out of tight spots by mowing down multiple enemies with your increase in power and retreat to a more favourable position where you're not getting swarmed. It's also an ability you'll want to use quite liberally on the bosses when you're fighting them. In particular, I think the two most common companions to the Thunder suit are the M-27B1 chain gun (probably a bit expensive for you right now) or any of the swords, as they'll allow you to slash and dash past alien hordes like a ninja. It'll definitely work with the FL334AR assault rifle too though, additional power is always welcome for any weapon.
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#983
06-24-2012, 09:25 AM
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#984
06-24-2012, 09:41 AM
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Gold farming for newbies: Mantis (w/ a friend)
Going to split my next bit of info into a few posts, or I'll get flagged for moderation checking again (had a long post before get quarantined until it got approved by a mod, I still haven't seen it in this thread et)
If you can play online, find a friend who has the M-27B1 at levels 6-8. Chances are that your armour isn't strong enough to survive more than one or two hits from the first boss (Mantis), but a friend with a chain gun at that level is...let's just say overkill. Start a match against Mantis with your friend, and try to stay alive and out of the way of the enemy hordes (if you see a large, bulbous, glowing green bug thing walk towards you, SHOOT IT. It's got very low HP, but it will cleave off huge chunks of your HP if it gets close enough to you to explode). There's a safe spot on Mantis' level where you won't be surprised by enemies from behind: if you explore the bridges, you'll find that the bridge/balcony has a dead-end corner near the central "auditorium" area. You can hide there while your higher level friend stands in front of you and kills everything coming towards you (note that this strategy will require cooperation of said friend trying to keep you alive >.>). If you survive until the boss fight, your friend then has to start spraying the Mantis with his chain gun (preferably using hyper clips to speed up the process). Unless your friend's aim is horrifically bad, the Mantis will keep flinching from all the damage its taking, and will literally die without even being able to move from its starting position. That will give you about 133,332 gold the first time you defeat the Mantis in a day if you only entered the match with two players (if you started with 3 players in the match, you'll get 166,665 gold). (Numbers sourced from the wiki page: http://starwarfare.wikia.com/wiki/Wrath_of_Mantis) Now, there are also helmets which increase your gold drop (Fortune at 5%, Hydra and Titan at 10%), as well as a backpack (ECO-03-VI, 10%). Note that these pieces of equipment are quite expensive, so I wouldn't necessarily recommend buying anything other than the ECO pack, assuming you'll be using it for a while to come. Last edited by undead.exe; 06-24-2012 at 10:28 AM..
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#985
06-24-2012, 09:53 AM
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Gold farming in general: miscellaneous
When faced with a choice of fighting between a single match, or multiple matches, fighting a single, long match is more profitable than fighting multiple small matches in the same period of time. The reason is that the gold you receive under "bonus" at the end of the match seems to increase the longer your match goes (I'm not too sure whether it's driven by the amount of ammo you use, or the number of enemies you kill; probably the latter).
Additionally, you will see a HUGE increase in the bonus gold you receive depending on the longest combo streak you can achieve before the match ends. So the general idea is, you want to time your enemy kills to extend the combo streak for as long as you can. Once the streak is broken, it's still worth it to stick around and kill more enemies, because that still causes your bonus to go up by quite a bit. Once you think you're experienced enough...another method of farming gold, courtesy of Asasnator.(Yes, I've read quite a few of your posts on here Asasnator, excellent work and thanks for the pointers :P ) http://forums.toucharcade.com/showpo...&postcount=459 These days, it might actually be worthwhile to stick around for the boss fight, but the gold given by the enemies from boss fights seems to be quite high. On the other hand, doing infinite enemies waves on the 4th single player map ("Lair", the same one where you'll fight Siegfried) is an easy way to rack up gold if you're patient enough. Just stand at the top of one of the two hills found on the map, and spray away at enemies trying to crawl up at you (just look to your side every now and then, because the flying bugs sometimes gather there and blindside you with projectiles).
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#986
06-24-2012, 10:05 AM
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#987
06-24-2012, 10:15 AM
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Really depends on how good you are at dodging attacks, since they've got the same base level of speed. If you're an invincible speed demon, Thunder Armour hands down for ammo efficiency and killing power (-15% ammo consumption, and 5% more power than the Perseus in its non-powerup state).
On the other hand, the full Perseus set gives out 5% more gold than the Thunder Armour. There's also the fact that the Perseus has more than TRIPLE the Thunder set's base HP, and that's not factoring in the melee resistance. Basically, I think the Perseus is a much more balanced armour set (definitely better for gold farming, given that you'll win much more gold than what you spend in ammo consumption), while the Thunder set is designed for specialised playstyles (i.e. hit hard and fast, and move so precisely that even MC hammer can't touch that).
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#988
06-24-2012, 11:59 AM
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@ Darthguy & undead.exe
Seriously, you guys are awesome, and thanks for the help. I'm not used to being this new at a game (I'm currently level 50/top level in Bullet Time HD with a pretty high GC ranking). I guess I've been paying it forward by trying to help new players in BT-HD, and you guys are my reward! Darthguy - When you said "medium" I was thinking about my other games and I was like, "Please don't tell me I've got to be level 25-30 before this game starts to open up for me...    Question for both of you. Having played more than my share of truly bad Co-op MP games due to being matched with players who weren't all that cooperative, how do I know when I'm ready to not burden other players? How do I pick players/challenges that I can handle with people who are not going to audibly groan when they see my level/gear set? What should I be doing to be most helpful? What should I plan on loading out to be most helpful? Sorry for so many questions, but the last thing I want to be is a selfish, unprepared, overmatched "teammate," and I want to get into MP sooner rather than later, as it will probably sell me on continuing. Thanks again! DBC
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#989
06-24-2012, 12:47 PM
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In PvE if you can get in the game don't worry, usually there is rank limitation on games and if you can get in your skill is enough(you can view the limitation by looking at the bottom part of the game. There will be a picture of all the ranks and if your rank is colorful you can join) Last edited by Darthguy; 06-24-2012 at 01:02 PM..
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#990
06-24-2012, 01:23 PM
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Unfortunately, I think the general trend is for players to take care of themselves rather than cover each other's blindspots. I'll take out enemies coming from behind a teammate rather than let them cop the damage, but my priorities are to kill enemies and maintain my own HP rather than actively making sure my teammates are safe.
So, to address your questions: What to load out: Teammates will generally prefer it if you're using the NOVA-27, the Crab, or the M-27B1 across most bosses (they'd also prefer them upgraded to level 8, but there's no visual way of telling). Weapons NOT to use on bosses are rockets, shotguns, grenade launchers, railguns (although they seem borderline acceptable for Mantis) or SWORDS. If you have a player using any of the three preferred weapons I listed above in Mantis or Poison Pit, they probably won't care if you can't kill enemies -- in fact, they'd probably like it if you left more enemies to them, because that's more gold for them. In that same sense, players with those weapons won't really care too much what weapon you're using on Mantis, because they're going to kill it quite quickly anyway. What to do: STAY ALIVE ON YOUR OWN. It's not really until the last two bosses that you'll find players actively covering your blindspots, so you need to figure out how to survive on your own. I'd recommend completing all the difficulties of the single player maps from Frontline through to Lair (or at the very least, Space Station) before you try to tackle Mantis without relying on other players. A surefire sign that you're ready for online MP play is when you can at least do Mantis on your own -- afterwards, it's a matter of improving your equipment and polishing your ability to kill stuff without getting hit. How to pick players: Sadly, I think there's a general preference for teammates ranked from about 9 and upwards, particularly for Double Rages and Serpent. Players ranked from level 7 are borderline acceptable, but most people set their rank limitation to be higher than that to screen out players with weaker equipment and less experience. Generally speaking, people will make a judgement about you based on the equipment they can see you using in the enemy rush phase, and how much damage you take. Against Mantis and Poison Pit, I generally assume players probably can't take care of themselves unless they've got armour from the Strike or Titan sets (Tank is too slow, and Hydra has very little HP). Weaponry, I think you should be good, Drummerboycroy, if you've already got the FL334AR. --------------- So yeah...team matches as they are right now is more about being able to keep yourself alive, while being able to do decent damage against the boss. Just try to keep yourself alive, don't be stingy with ammo and use decent weapons against the bosses, and that's really all there is to it. If you want to prepare yourself for online play quicker, do the first four single-player maps so you know what sorts of enemies to expect, and then jump online and try it out. Wishing you luck :P
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