SHADOWKEEPER: Eye of the Beholder inspired Dungeon Crawler

[kukulcan]

Originally Posted by icepulse

You had me in your corner until the last sentence. "Can't be understood nowadays"? Ever play Skyrim?

What people can't understand today is what it meant when it happened for the first time. Of course 1st person games are getting better and better producing more visceral experiences all the time.

I imagine these real time dungeon games must be very difficult to make as many people seem to want them but they are almost nonexistant on the appstore.I also loved Dungeon Master and Eye of the Beholder also,and the one i take my name from was my favourite one.

It is a lot of work and nobody knows how good they will sell, maybe the ones liking DM, EoB, Black Crypt, Captive or The Legacy are jsut a minority and all the others hate the grid based movement.

But should the EoB remake work, we'll think about similar games in horror or SF genre.

[icepulse]

Originally Posted by Gabrien

Actually, I think you just strengthened his point.

Now that he's clarified his meaning, it makes sense.

And I understand the sentiment, because I was there too. Hell, I bought "Necromancer" for the Atari 400 w/paperboy income!! That's how far back I go in this race.

All I'm saying is, when I see a shambling skeleton In a massive, dark crypt with vaulted ceilings (Oblivion), I'm still agape. The magic keeps coming.

So I suggest you get a point of your OWN to strengthen, or at least buttress your remarks about other peoples" ideas with some kind of clarity.

[Captive]

Originally Posted by kukulcan

What people can't understand today is what it meant when it happened for the first time. Of course 1st person games are getting better and better producing more visceral experiences all the time.


It is a lot of work and nobody knows how good they will sell, maybe the ones liking DM, EoB, Black Crypt, Captive or The Legacy are jsut a minority and all the others hate the grid based movement.

But should the EoB remake work, we'll think about similar games in horror or SF genre.

I can see what a fan you were of the old grid based dungeon games so am definately looking forward to your remake or homage to the EoB.I hope it can be a success.

[Dahak]

I'd caution against using the word Beholder in the title of anything with the look and feel of the old game. Beholder is one of the few D&D monsters that WotC outright claims as intellectual property (alongside Illithids and a few others). They have pursued action against tabletop publishers in the past over those two.

[macatron]

Originally Posted by Dahak

I'd caution against using the word Beholder in the title of anything with the look and feel of the old game. Beholder is one of the few D&D monsters that WotC outright claims as intellectual property (alongside Illithids and a few others). They have pursued action against tabletop publishers in the past over those two.

Yeah, you definitely bring up an excellent point. If this remake isn't directly sanctioned, then the title will probably cause some unwanted legal headaches. Frankly, I'm really shocked that more developers aren't utilizing the mobile platform to reimagine (and resell) their classics. Games like EotB, Wizardry, Dungeon Master, and Lands of Lore bring back loads of great memories for a lot of us, so why would they pass up potential "free" money on guaranteed purchases from this insanely large fan base? At least Bioware is starting to see the light since they will be releasing a remastered Baldur's Gate game on the iPad later this year. Maybe after that blows the roof off sales expectations other developers will follow suit. :-)

http://m.kotaku.com/5896565/baldurs-...t-less-than-10

[kukulcan]

Thanks for the warning, it is right now only a working title, another idea was "Eye of the Dungeon Master"

[macatron]

Originally Posted by kukulcan

Thanks for the warning, it is right now only a working title, another idea was "Eye of the Dungeon Master"

LOL!! Yeah, I think that will do just fine. :-D

[currymutton]

How about "Land of the Dungeon Beholder"?

[kukulcan]

Originally Posted by currymutton

How about "Land of the Dungeon Beholder"?

That might not really fix the "Beholder" problem

[kukulcan]

Here is a first teaser of the 3D engine Andreas writes. Realtime soft shadows and ambient occlusion, but right now a little on the slow side:



But it is not yet optimized and btw. movement will still be grid based.