Armed Heroes© Online(3D MMORPG) - (by EGLS Ltd.)[Universal][Currently only Canada]

[stlredbird]

Originally Posted by sakinnuso

This post nearly made me want to run to the canadian app store because this guy was so infuriatingly condescending. Despite all that though, theft is still theft, and the other guy - travis - Never came off like ths and has a really solid argument that's kind of irrefutable. Supporting armed heroes is a matter of personal ethics, but nobody can deny that what those guys did isn't outright straight up theft.

That said, if Runic shares Hawkn's views regarding the console's inferiority (i wont even get into the whole argument about the absurdity of, say, Torchlight's inabilty to stand out on the appstore versus FREAKING XBOX LIVE!!), then i guess big name brand ARPGs from the PC guys really dont have much chance on this device.

I really despise people like Hawkn. I thought GameLoft was atrocious when i discovered ios gaming. Now i recognize that if it wasnt for them pushing the boundaries, ios wouldnt have EVER seen an MMORPG, such variation in the action gaming genre, or any RTS games attempting console quality.

Whether their games are good is not are debatable. The fact that they ackowledged the market and have made the bigger companies finally take notice, earned them points in my book.

Hawkn has the same short sighted view as newspaper publishers. I can't see how anyone can look at iOS gaming as not being a viable gaming platform that is here to stay at this point. Not sure what kind of game designer he will be with such a narrow view of the world and technology.

I myself have a MacBook pro, iPhone, iPad and yes a monster gaming PC I built myself. I love them all and they each have their pros and cons when compared to each other. If you don't know the difference between an apple PC and a windows PC or can't see the value in an apple product then you haven't spent much time with them.

I would be fine if he was one and done posting here.

Ok off my soap box.

[PrayForDeath]

If anything, this thread proves that there's quite a huge demand for ARPGs on iOS.

Originally Posted by Hawkn

Saying you don't know who TotalBiscuit is, and that you don't care about him is also borderline moronic. He can make or break a game with a single video, Facebook post, or Tweet.

rofl ok

Originally Posted by Hawkn

Feel free to hate my post, ignore it, delete it, or whatever else. I'll probably never check it again.

Good riddance

[Khamous]

Originally Posted by PrayForDeath

If anything, this thread proves that there's quite a huge demand for ARPGs on iOS.

Yes boy, 1 topic in TA, where 30 people tops are talking about the game represents a "huge demand for ARPGs on iOS". Please be realistic about the sample.

Hawkn has a point, even if you're just too mad about his way of writing it to see it. If you check top grossing in the AppStore, you'll find most games are all about microtransactions, not pure 1 buy games like Torchlight. That in itself is proof enough of what makes the most money in this market.

And TotalBiscuit is HUGE wether you like him or not. There are many people out there that are in the borderline decision, not sure wether to dive in the iOS gaming or not, and a person like TB can easily sway a group of those one way or the other. Same goes for visiting TA. Remember, you read reviews, read impressions of games before buying, they sway your buy button one way or the other, it is the same principle.

But most importantly, we're getting off topic, if Runic doesnt want to go through the hassle of TL for iOS, so be it, they have their reasons and should be respected. AH should go down, rerise in a few months with a new face if they want, and try it again. I wouldnt buy anyways because they aleady have a bad rep, but I think most people would see past that.

[awp69]

Originally Posted by jsrco

I can't stop reading this thread... its like a train wreck. But Hodapp, lock this thing up and throw away the key.

+1

This thread is getting pointless. It has nothing to do with the "game" itself but arguments about the legality or morality of what the dev did.

[PrayForDeath]

Originally Posted by Khamous

If you check top grossing in the AppStore, you'll find most games are all about microtransactions, not pure 1 buy games like Torchlight. That in itself is proof enough of what makes the most money in this market.

Yes, microtransactions are making the most money in this business, but this says nothing about the viability of the ARPG genre.

Unfortunately, publishers tend to think this way, they look at the charts and think "genre x is dominating the charts, let's do something similar!" And I don't blame them, this minimizes risks, but it sadly hurts creativity.

[stlredbird]

I have to be honest. This is the first time I've ever heard of TotalBiscuit.

I'll assume he's some sort of game reviewer.

[Wizard_Mike]

Originally Posted by Khamous

Hawkn has a point, even if you're just too mad about his way of writing it to see it. If you check top grossing in the AppStore, you'll find most games are all about microtransactions, not pure 1 buy games like Torchlight. That in itself is proof enough of what makes the most money in this market.

Remember when the Wii came out and was dominating the sales charts for the entire video game industry? It definitely affected the market as a whole and brought about a lot of changes in focus for developers.

But that didn't mean the demand for "core" games was lessened. It simply meant that a whole new audience had been brought into the gaming market. It's no different with the iOS market. Sure, the casuals outnumber the "core" gamer, but that doesn't mean there are less core gamers ready to drop cash on mobile games.

It's the same for mobile gaming. Just because there's more casual gamers than core gamers does not change the fact that just about every gamer has a mobile device these days (a smart phone at the minimum). There's kind of a catch-22 stigma going on right now where the gamers don't expect much from a mobile game, so are hesitant to drop a big chunk of cash on a mobile game, therefore mobile game developers simply produce stuff they can sell for less than tank of gas. This mentality on both sides can change, and I believe eventually will. We just need the games to push it in that direction.

I, for one, would gladly pay full price for Torchlight on my iPad. I'm sure I'm not the only one, either.

[Wizard_Mike]

Originally Posted by stlredbird

I have to be honest. This is the first time I've ever heard of TotalBiscuit.

I'll assume he's some sort of game reviewer.

Same here. I clicked the link and saw he had 1 reply and 55 retweets of his tweet about this thread.

Is that really "super important and mega influential"? I've seen a million times more activity on a picture of a chihuahua wearing a hat...

[Eli]

Originally Posted by Wizard_Mike

Same here. I clicked the link and saw he had 1 reply and 55 retweets of his tweet about this thread.

Is that really "super important and mega influential"? I've seen a million times more activity on a picture of a chihuahua wearing a hat...

The point is, TouchArcade is still a small enough site that someone telling 100k people that we're a horrible community has an effect.

[stlredbird]

Originally Posted by Hodapp

The point is, TouchArcade is still a small enough site that someone telling 100k people that we're a horrible community has an effect.

Really? I think TA is a little bigger than that. Plus if anything it will point some his small following here and once they get here they'll see what it's really about and be hooked.