About Armed Heroes Online vs. Torchlight (response from EGLS)

[florendas]

Originally Posted by Wizard_Mike

Cloning and copying files are two completely different things.

If I made a game that was a Super Mario Bros clone, that's all fine and good (so long as it wasn't infringing on the legally protected IP of Nintendo). But if I took the actual sprites and sound files from Super Mario Bros (not recreated them, but the actual files) and plugged them into my clone, it's blatant theft, even if I modify the files a little bit.

Armored Heros did not clone Torchlight. They straight up used files from Torchlight. There's no justification that makes this ok, not even the twiddling of the models to make them look a little different.

+1 and even if its wasn't a game like theirs using the art from Torchlight directly is the part thats not ok.

[Skillmaster19]

Originally Posted by Delusionaltool

I'm kinda confused! You are sure you don't work for EGLS? I mean fine the graphics are not EXACT but they are almost identical minus some differences, adding a model from torchlight and giving him a bow and arrow does not make a difference your just adding to a torchlight model.... What point are you trying to make im not seeing it, argue about the graphics all you want they also took the sounds directly from torchlight they even have the same misspelling this is not coincidence!

I don't work for EGLS... I'm 16 and live in the USA... a TA admin could confirm I log in from a USA IP and registered with a yahoo mail...

I do admit I play Armed Heroes Online and am on EGLS's side in the argument though...

[Rocotilos]

Originally Posted by Bryan @ Muteki Corp

Now I'm not sure I'm reading this right but from what I'm seeing

Runic: "You stole our art!"

EGLS: "We totally wrote the code ourselves!"

Or hmm, for the sake of having fun...

Bank: "You stole our money!"

Robber: "I paid for that getaway car fair and square!"

^^^ THIS is exactly what I got from reading the first post as well.

It is kinda like my 6 yo daughter's excuses for writing on the wall.
She'd say "because there are no more spaces on the paper".
(just make anything up and hope for the best)

lol

But personally I feel Serena Zhang is insulting the whole forum members' intelligence with that post.

[Connector]

This is kind of an interesting situation with so many different countries involved. Seems like companies from Canada, US, and China are involved, and because of that it seems almost impossible to go to court since the internet is now global. In China, software piracy is rampant and tolerated, so what works for them there, wouldn't hold up here.

So I don't really see anything being done in any courts, seems like Apple itself is the ultimate judge and executioner. But this seems to put Apple in a very bad spot. There are TONS of games that have issues with people using similar graphics or sounds, so would Apple want to have to hear every case of this?

Reading the first post, it seems very logical and using their pictures, you would think they didn't do anything wrong. Seeing the graphical pictures later, yes, there does seem to be something wrong, but we don't know the whole picture.

Then there is stuff that is thrown around about sound names, and other evidence that have to be considered. So these kinds of things are issues that are time consuming to figure out, and I could see Apple not really want to be a part of.

Personally, I do believe that the graphics assests were stolen, but to prove it in a court of law and to provide punishments in terms of royalties or prison time seem to be impossible. So I am curious to see what will happen because this is on an international stage, with Apple as the judge and jury.

[geoelectric]

Originally Posted by Skillmaster19

I don't work for EGLS... I'm 16 and live in the USA... a TA admin could confirm I log in from a USA IP and registered with a yahoo mail...

I do admit I play Armed Heroes Online and am on EGLS's side in the argument though...

Dude, when you have Runic confirming EGLS used exact copies of the meshes and sound files for a significant number of assets, the argument is pretty much done. This isn't a matter of opinion thing where you're going to "win."

Travis Baldree's response in this has been phenomenal. I'm very happy to have been a fan of Baldree's games since FATE, and look very forward to buying many more in the future.

EGLS's response has been clumsy and insulting. They must truly think we're stupid enough to buy a complete misdirection. It's not even a matter of assuming naivete or good will; they truly didn't answer the argument and thought nobody would notice.

I just hope that we still know who EGLS is after they inevitably slink off and change the company name.

[sabin1981]

Originally Posted by Connector

Then there is stuff that is thrown around about sound names, etc, that we don't have physical proof of. So these kinds of things are issues that are time consuming to figure out, and I could see Apple not really want to be a part of.

Anyone with a copy of Torchlight, a copy of WinZip, and a download of Armed Heroes can trivially verify this.

You were told how to verify it for yourself. There's plenty of physical proof.. stop being a puppet for EGLS.

[Skillmaster19]

Originally Posted by Rocotilos

But personally I feel Serena Zhang is insulting the whole forum members' intelligence with that post.

Or maybe he/she was trying to defend against the accusations about stealing assets with that post? Pretty much the entire community is convinced they stole the assets, do they not get a right to prove them wrong?

[Rocotilos]

Originally Posted by Skillmaster19

Or maybe he/she was trying to defend against the accusations about stealing assets with that post? Pretty much the entire community is convinced they stole the assets, do they not get a right to prove them wrong?

Sure they have a right.

But when you're a thief and you got caught with a sack of jewelleries in your hands, er.. not sure about that right.

[jsrco]

Originally Posted by Skillmaster19

Or maybe he/she was trying to defend against the accusations about stealing assets with that post? Pretty much the entire community is convinced they stole the assets, do they not get a right to prove them wrong?

They don't need to... Armed Heroes has them. Including the spelling errors in the name files that Torchlight had. Then they tried to use the excuse that what they did was ok because Torchlight was so similar to Diablo 2 and Fate.

Makes me wonder if you are trolling or just not reading what has been stated.

[Rocotilos]

Originally Posted by jsrco

They don't need to... Armed Heroes has them. Including the spelling errors in the name files that Torchlight had. Then they tried to use the excuse that what they did was ok because Torchlight was so similar to Diablo 2 and Fate.

Makes me wonder if you are trolling or just not reading what has been stated.

You must forgive him. He's probably 19 (from his id). And teenagers are rebelious by nature. Been there done that.