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Old 01-30-2013, 01:36 AM
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Be aware that the Jot mini has no pressure sensitivity afaik, unlike the more expensive Touch. I don't think the Bamboo stylus does either, which I found really odd considering they're produced by Wacom.
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Old 01-30-2013, 01:50 AM
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It's only had the one update and still feels floaty, there's a full game here but unfortunately the physics and feel are what let it down the most.

Re being a good TV game, what is the criteria?
You don't like the left screen right screen controls like Repulze, I think it works good now in Flashout 3d.

TV - game in landscape model, controls you don't have to look at the ipad screen, games I can stretch to full screen with little aspect ratio problems, good enough framerates, 3d graphics look even better on tv than my new ipad, good colors and contrast so tv ehances them, airplay if available, and other factors.

Almost all motion, driving, platformers, runners, dual stick, most shmups, most sports, many rpgs, most action play pretty good on tv. Puzzle games not so much due to controls.

Some if my favorite tv games - Catch the Ark, Repulze, Table Top Racing, Wild Blood, Asphalt 7, Nfs most wanted, Real Racing 2, beat hazard, mutant storm, Nova 3, crumble zone, Deathsmiles, raystorm, alpha zero, dariusburst, dead trigger, arc squadron, minigore 2, total recoil, crazy taxi, vs racing, bike baron, boost 2, skyriders, riptide, virtua tennis, nhl 2k11, orc vengeance, wraithbourne, lili, street fighter tekken, super hexagon, whale tail, tiny wings, time surfer, ski safari, luna bears, sky hero, jetpack joyride, polara, robot unicorn, ronin, banana kong, mikey Shorts, archibald, run roo run, swordigo, kung fu rabbit, jazz, rayman, mutant mudds, one tap hero, spycorp, sonics, etc...

But some games with 3d graphics and speed and simpler controls work well on tv. That's why this one looks and plays so much better on tv than on my new ipad.
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Old 01-30-2013, 02:36 AM
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Controls != to feel, control mechanisms have never worried me.
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Old 01-30-2013, 03:37 AM
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I've got an Apple TV, love it

Its weird playing games when youre staring at the tv as i have to keep looking down as my fingers sometimes move past one of the controls on my ipod or ipad

BUT i'm loving using an external controller (eg 8-bitty) so then its like a true console type experience, can stare at the tv and control the game with the controller (granted doesnt work for all games).
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Old 02-04-2013, 01:12 PM
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Got a second Apple TV today. My HDMI cable with built in usb charging cable should be here this week. I like the AppleTV for Airplay, but it's a nice netflix box and viewing stuff from my pc with iTunes is pretty nice.

I look forward to testing out some games with it.
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Old 02-04-2013, 02:42 PM
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Well, my HDMI adapter came in. I didn't realize that the one I ordered was without an HDMI cable... but I ordered a few 15' HDMI cables so it was all good. Nicely my 27" monitor with HDMI input came in this morning. A few minutes of unboxing the monitor and setting it up and plugging in the hdmi cable and the adapter... and ... wow!

I love the concept of Airplay but the execution of this is pretty amazing.

I played a little Final Freeway 2R, but in getting used to it on tv I resorted back to may main control method of the steering wheel and gas in the lower right (though I thought tilt would actually be better) and in my second full game on expert I not only topped my own best score (even better than the one score that didn't register to GC) but topped my friends as well. Now I'm 54th in the world for top score/expert mode. I was already 6th in the world on Normal... but this worked out even better than expected.

I played a little Real Racing for the first time after buying it. I had tried the demo and it seemed good despite the fact that I typically only like Arcade racers and this being more of a sim. Good stuff. It worked perfectly... and I used tilt steering. I gave Skyriders a try but totally didn't do well at it. Maybe because I tried a harder level than I had been playing. Anyway, flipped over to Angry Birds original... and gave that a whirl. Good fun on the big screen. I like to play all the way zoomed out.. now I think I'll be able to do even better than before.

So all in all... a great purchase.

My only gripes are as follows:
1. Having a heavy cable coming out the end of my phone seems like it could get dislodged when setting it down.
2. I wish audio was controlled through the hdmi link so I could turn it down easier. On a pc monitor this makes a difference maybe more than a tv where a remote is handy. I'll probably wear headphones most of the time anyway.

...

I guess that's really it other than maybe noticing the battery draining quicker... but that's why I got a cable with a charging cable built in. Though for some reason on my pc monitor I can't charge and do hdmi at the same time. Not sure if that's normal or not... but figured it was worth noting. I'll test it out more tonight at home.
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Old 02-04-2013, 04:25 PM
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Got a second Apple TV today. My HDMI cable with built in usb charging cable should be here this week. I like the AppleTV for Airplay, but it's a nice netflix box and viewing stuff from my pc with iTunes is pretty nice.

I look forward to testing out some games with it.
An Apple TV review.

http://ipad.about.com/od/iPad_Access...Generation.htm

While I don't have an Apple TV, I have played numerous times at the Apple store and at a friend's house. I love the fact that it is wireless, and that you can go untethered with an ipad. Overall though, you can basically do any feature with hdmi or apple tv, the basic difference is the wireless ability vs quality of signal. Both can play airplay compliant games (even though I wish there was a way to turn off airplay cause on hdmi, mirroring mode has way better resolution than airplay. Airplay games seem to run well both on apple tv and hdmi. Even though airplay games run at a noticeably lower resolution than mirrored games on my new ipad.

The main difference to me is in mirrored games, which is about 99% of the games out there cause there are only a handful of airplay games. Apple tv has a very slight delay in the output, maybe a split second, but it is noticeable in games. I really do think that this affects you in terms of scores and control. This delay was fairly noticeable to me, if you look at the ipad and tv at the same time, they are not showing the same thing. An airplane could be showing at a 45 degree angle on your ipad, but it will be totally horizontal on the tv on an apple tv. This doesn't happen on hdmi.

Hdmi however, shows exactly what you see on the screen and the ipad. To me, this is a big deal, I want instantaneous output, not delayed output. Also on mirrored games, there is lag and occasionally stutter on apple tv. This was very apparent at my friends house. While it wasn't as bad as a lagging and caching youtube video, it was very apparent and very irritating. At the apple store, I noticed it for some mirrored games, even though it wasn't as bad as my friends house.

Also mirrored games on apple tv do not look as high resolution or maybe it is the frames per second being outputed. Hdmi mirrored looks better than hdtv to me, it looks 1080p or even better. Framerates look twice as high on my tv vs my new ipad. Apple tv mirrored to me, looks almost like 480i, doesn't even look close to 720p. Plus framerates like on games like NFS Most Wanted actually look slower on apple tv, on hdmi tv, the framerates look twice as good, and the graphics look much better on hdmi tv than on my new ipad.

Night, since you have both, maybe you can comment on these mirrored game issues like the sight delay, lagging, or reduced resolution/framerates. But apple tv is nice cause it is wireless, would be nice for videos and stuff. But for game mirroring, I think I would go with hdmi.
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Old 02-05-2013, 08:28 AM
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Night, since you have both, maybe you can comment on these mirrored game issues like the sight delay, lagging, or reduced resolution/framerates. But apple tv is nice cause it is wireless, would be nice for videos and stuff. But for game mirroring, I think I would go with hdmi.
Lag for airplay games comes in three flavors...

1. It's so bad I can't play (mainly with very high action games when my network is being taxed with other people in the house). I mainly use this for showing a game off to the kids so they don't have to swarm over my iphone.

2. It's passable for playing but you have to get in the frame of mind of leading your actions by a split second. Often this is how optimized games would play.

3. It's flawless and it's amazing that it's working this well. It has happened, mainly with Asphalt 6. But not enough that I use my AppleTV for airplay'ing games.

HDMI is perfect but I find a few games (so far, it's been one day and stupidly I left my phone at work for the first time... ever) don't work as well. Skyriders so far has been a pain to play over hdmi.

For everything else lag doesn't really seem to matter with AppleTV. Showing pictures or playing a video or listing to a track or whatever... it just isn't a big deal and I've had it where it was nearly perfectly in sync to out of sync by 1/2 a second or so. Web browsing is pretty much instantaneous. I don't use the iCloud to sync my pictures and video and stuff... but that's mainly because I don't want every picture I take on it. Sometimes I'm in a store and I want to remember what something costs and I'll take a picture of that. Sometimes I take 4 or 5 pictures of my family for one shot... I wouldn't want every one of those streaming to my appletv. Same for game screen shots... like getting my top score in Final Freeway 2R on expert mode

Resolution wise, I have no complaints at all. Sometimes it upscales to full screen... sometimes it has bars or a box. But it's close to 16:9 so there's typically little to no distortion if I stretch to full screen.

As it is though, I LOVE the AppleTV product for what I use it for (Netflix, Podcasts & internet radio, streaming video from itunes on my pc... etc). Yes, I wish it had a USB port and that it played AVI and other formats... but for what it does do, it's pretty great for such a small package. Hopefully one day since this thing has an A5 with one of the cores turned off and 8GB of storage... they'll make a controller for it (or an i device app) and let us download games directly to it. That (IMO) would be the ultimate home apple console.

I can dream.
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Old 02-05-2013, 08:44 AM
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"Yes, I wish it had a USB port and that it played AVI and other formats..."
/ nightc1


I jailbraked mine and slapped XBMC on it which will play any format you trow at it be it videos, pictures or music (and XBMC supports airplay).


I've found with airplay enabled games the experience being the same as the above post. Some games work surprisingly well while others are just a laggy mess. High quality graphics and sound or not doesn't matter, so I guess it's up to how well optimized the video encoding and network support is.

Either way I found playing airplay supported games (and regular) on the big screen doesn't really add anything to the experience when it comes to iOS games, so ill stick to the iPhone/iPad until things changes...in 10 years or so.
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Old 02-05-2013, 03:05 PM
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I jailbraked mine and slapped XBMC on it which will play any format you trow at it be it videos, pictures or music (and XBMC supports airplay).
Mine are both 3rd gen... I though that stuff was only available on the first and maybe second gen devices? If it works on 3rd gen, I may look into it.
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