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Old 12-19-2013, 10:24 AM
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The devs have been basically nonexistent on these forums (hey, it's only one of the most active iOS-centric communities, so why bother, right?), so don't expect a response. That said, in a backer email this week, they said episodes should come out every 2-3 months. "Early access" probably means a week before everyone else at best.

Also, it sounds like Apple screwed them over with promo codes. Apple had told them it would be no problem to get codes for backers, but now they're saying the opposite. The dev's staff is now having to manually gift each backer individually, which if you've ever gifted an app, is going to take a long time.

It got an 8/10 from Polygon, so that's a good sign. I wonder if TA will give it any coverage now that it's a real thing.
The project lead did try to engage in these forums, but the project had the misfortune of launching at the same time as Eli's crusade against Kickstarter, and was all but blacklisted as a result. I guess Payton got the message and decided to engage other gaming communities.

Well, Republique has its five star Toucharcade review now, so I guess the Kickstarter blacklist drops as soon as a project ships. Need to make room for all the breaking news about how Nintendo still isn't selling games on iOS somehow, I suppose.
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Old 12-19-2013, 01:31 PM
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The project lead did try to engage in these forums, but the project had the misfortune of launching at the same time as Eli's crusade against Kickstarter, and was all but blacklisted as a result. I guess Payton got the message and decided to engage other gaming communities.

Well, Republique has its five star Toucharcade review now, so I guess the Kickstarter blacklist drops as soon as a project ships. Need to make room for all the breaking news about how Nintendo still isn't selling games on iOS somehow, I suppose.
JFYI following quite a few debacles that predate Republique, it's been our policy to not post about Kickstarter games until they exist. I know it's more fun to get all mad though, being the internet and all. We'd rather focus our efforts on games you can download and other interesting industry news.

The psychological phenomenon of how monumentally personally invested Kickstarter backers get in projects is pretty interesting- Particularly if the reason you're mentioning the Nintendo news is because you're upset we weren't posting news about Republique's Kickstarter instead?
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Old 12-19-2013, 01:51 PM
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JFYI following quite a few debacles that predate Republique, it's been our policy to not post about Kickstarter games until they exist.
What exactly is the backstory to this? I only tend to read the TA frontpage so I'm a bit ignorant to the inner-workings of the site, but I'd noticed the lack of mention of kickstarter games in the past and had been curious about it for a while. Just a case of their development being unreliable, or..?

Enjoying the hell out of this game by the way, great work by all involved
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Old 12-19-2013, 02:01 PM
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Not kickstarted games get canceled and go off course too.
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Old 12-19-2013, 03:05 PM
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JFYI following quite a few debacles that predate Republique, it's been our policy to not post about Kickstarter games until they exist. I know it's more fun to get all mad though, being the internet and all. We'd rather focus our efforts on games you can download and other interesting industry news.

The psychological phenomenon of how monumentally personally invested Kickstarter backers get in projects is pretty interesting- Particularly if the reason you're mentioning the Nintendo news is because you're upset we weren't posting news about Republique's Kickstarter instead?
I come to this site for relevant news and discussion on iOS games. You've decided that all Kickstarter news is irrelevant, even if what's being Kickstarted is one of the most ambitious iOS games ever conceived.

Nintendo news however, isn't irrelevant. Even though they have never published a single iOS app (kinda-sorta excepting the Pokedex published by Nintendo subsidiary Pokemon), we need to be reminded on a monthly basis that Nintendo still isn't developing for iOS. Seriously, July, August, September.

A focus on games we can download? How about Mew-genics. Team Meat has never published on iOS and has already failed to deliver on one announced iOS project (your main concern in reporting on Kickstarters), yet Mew-genics has no fewer than ten(!) front page posts.

Please don't misunderstand me. I want you to report on games like Mew-genics. I'm genuinely interested, and I hope its zany ideas pan out. Good thing for Team Meat that they never took Kickstarter funds so they can get this kind of awesome coverage on Toucharcade.

In the past, you've cited one of the main reasons for the Kickstarter blacklist being the sheer number of new iOS projects, but sorting the wheat from the chaff is why news exists. Sifting through the dreck on the App Store is Toucharcade's raison d'Ítre, extracting a few gems off of Kickstarter is impossible?

I just don't see the dogmatic exclusion of all Kickstarter projects as benefiting anybody. It devalues this site by making it less relevant to iOS gaming. It provides a disservice to readers like me by forcing us to look elsewhere to get news on interesting iOS Kickstarters. It devalues the site to any iOS developer even considering taking crowdfunding money to make their project reality.

To end on a positive note, thank you for lifting the blacklist after a Kickstarter project ships and giving them a fair shake at that point. After seeing how passionately you hate the idea of crowdfunding, I really was wondering.
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Old 12-19-2013, 03:42 PM
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Yeah, I would totally love a random post about interesting games that are close to being funded on Kickstarter. Other sites will post every now and then about a game close to being funded and it gives me a heads up in case I'd like to help fund it.

I definitely wish I would have been reminded about Republique close to its funding. But thankfully they made it without my small funds!

Thanks for the great coverage of it now. You've sold me on it!
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Old 12-19-2013, 04:27 PM
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I come to this site for relevant news and discussion on iOS games. You've decided that all Kickstarter news is irrelevant, even if what's being Kickstarted is one of the most ambitious iOS games ever conceived.

Nintendo news however, isn't irrelevant. Even though they have never published a single iOS app (kinda-sorta excepting the Pokedex published by Nintendo subsidiary Pokemon), we need to be reminded on a monthly basis that Nintendo still isn't developing for iOS. Seriously, July, August, September.

A focus on games we can download? How about Mew-genics. Team Meat has never published on iOS and has already failed to deliver on one announced iOS project (your main concern in reporting on Kickstarters), yet Mew-genics has no fewer than ten(!) front page posts.

Please don't misunderstand me. I want you to report on games like Mew-genics. I'm genuinely interested, and I hope its zany ideas pan out. Good thing for Team Meat that they never took Kickstarter funds so they can get this kind of awesome coverage on Toucharcade.

In the past, you've cited one of the main reasons for the Kickstarter blacklist being the sheer number of new iOS projects, but sorting the wheat from the chaff is why news exists. Sifting through the dreck on the App Store is Toucharcade's raison d'Ítre, extracting a few gems off of Kickstarter is impossible?

I just don't see the dogmatic exclusion of all Kickstarter projects as benefiting anybody. It devalues this site by making it less relevant to iOS gaming. It provides a disservice to readers like me by forcing us to look elsewhere to get news on interesting iOS Kickstarters. It devalues the site to any iOS developer even considering taking crowdfunding money to make their project reality.

To end on a positive note, thank you for lifting the blacklist after a Kickstarter project ships and giving them a fair shake at that point. After seeing how passionately you hate the idea of crowdfunding, I really was wondering.
Didn't want to do such a long quote, but I felt that it had so many valid points. I think TA's stance on not posting about KS campaigns is fine, but mostly only before they are funded. Once they have the money, or at least once they are showing some kind of results of their work, I don't see how a KS project is any less valid or real than other unpublished games that get previewed on TA all the time.
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Old 12-19-2013, 05:06 PM
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JFYI following quite a few debacles that predate Republique, it's been our policy to not post about Kickstarter games until they exist. I know it's more fun to get all mad though, being the internet and all. We'd rather focus our efforts on games you can download and other interesting industry news.

The psychological phenomenon of how monumentally personally invested Kickstarter backers get in projects is pretty interesting- Particularly if the reason you're mentioning the Nintendo news is because you're upset we weren't posting news about Republique's Kickstarter instead?
I understand the "why not" approach to KickStarter, and the "why" approach to news like that from Nintendo... But Eli you are smart enough to know blanket decisions in either direction make little sense.

If we fully broke down failed KickStarter iOS projects versus failed non-KickStarter iOS projects (need I say more than dungeons at this point?) do you honestly believe that the decision to, carte Blanche, nix any mention of KickStarter projects no matter how valid they might be?

I honestly believe that if you made a decision to not report on projects that might not actually come out, we would no longer see anything regarding potential games.

Most things in this world would be better served on a case by case basis. Not all companies, no matter how great, are perfect nor are all terrible. So maybe instead of banning everything from KickStarter, take it case by case? I will admit that KickStarter is very hit or miss, but I also see some amazing things coming from them, Shadowrun, Small World 2, Fists of Awesome. I don't understand why the decision is so digital.
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Old 12-19-2013, 05:11 PM
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This needs to be a different thread as by all accounts we are derailing attention off a great product due to differences on pre-launch coverage.
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Old 12-19-2013, 07:15 PM
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JFYI following quite a few debacles that predate Republique, it's been our policy to not post about Kickstarter games until they exist. I know it's more fun to get all mad though, being the internet and all. We'd rather focus our efforts on games you can download and other interesting industry news.
It's really kind of astounding how amazingly conceited this statement is, given the context. Everyone knows the first successful gaming Kickstarter was Double Fine's Broken Age, and Republique was posted roughly two months after. Yet in those two months, we're supposed to believe there were just a myriad of "debacles" on Kickstarter so obviously you made a policy to not post about Kickstarter games. You were actually helping the community... It had nothing to do with your bizarre hatred of Kickstarter with rants like this one.

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Kickstarter is everything that is wrong with the "millennial" generation, wholly concentrated into a single web site. Back in my day, if you wanted to open up a lemonade stand, you did everything you could to get the funding together to make that happen. If you couldn't finance it personally, you'd borrow money from whatever family, friends, and fools you can drum up, and be personally responsible for its repayment. You'd then take that money, open your lemonade stand, hopefully turn a profit, then pay everyone back. Alternatively, if you didn't turn a profit or couldn't get your lemonade stand off the ground for one reason or another, you still needed to worry about the money you owed everyone. This caused you to only ask for money when you really believed in your lemonade stand, or, at least, enough to risk your neck for it.

In this crazy Kickstarter-laden world we live in now, the scenario is totally different. You decide on the vague idea that you want to start a lemonade stand, you don't have the means to do it, so you jingle around a change jar with a line on it. You sucker people into giving money to you because they like lemonade, and you offer them some sort of commemorative sticker as "thanks." Meanwhile, while people might be filling up your change jar, you're free at any time to up and decide that you don't want to run a lemonade stand anymore, and instead you're going to sell Kool-Ade, fruit punch, or any other number of derivative things.
Yet, if you just had the gumption to say you wouldn't post about Kickstarter games I don't think many people would have cared that much. However, you couldn't do just that, you had to act like a petty child throughout the ordeal.

Here's you referring to Kickstarter as "shitfarter" when asked about coverage for the game: http://i6.minus.com/ibrF9adjAgL5uH.PNG

You also claimed you didn't post about games with no gameplay (even though that's obviously not true) and repeatedly referred to the game as vaporware.

When Ryan Payton apparently offered to fly to you and show you the game, your incredibly mature response was to mock him on twitter. http://sadpanda.us/images/937222-O5FT084.png

And let's not forget when the game was doing poorly in its funding so you chose to mock it again. https://twitter.com/hodapp/status/194441830828490752

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The psychological phenomenon of how monumentally personally invested Kickstarter backers get in projects is pretty interesting- Particularly if the reason you're mentioning the Nintendo news is because you're upset we weren't posting news about Republique's Kickstarter instead?
Shockingly some of us are passionate about iOS gaming. We believe in ambitious iOS games and that games on the platform can be more than just Angry Birds. And judging by the review on your very own site, we were right in this case. We could've been wrong, sure, but some of us would rather take a risk and get burned than never see the platform evolve to see its true potential.

I wish you were one of those people, because unfortunately, you have a lot of power. If you aren't going to do that, I would at least like it if you didn't try and blow smoke up everyone's butt.
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