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What exists for the truly hardcore gamer?

02-01-2016, 02:36 PM
#1
Joined: Mar 2009
Posts: 6
What exists for the truly hardcore gamer?

The word "hardcore" has undergone an interesting journey since the creation of the app store, and seems to be defined differently by different people. Most marketers on the app store would have you believe that unbeatable games (such as in the "infinite" genre) are automatically hardcore since you can't beat them, and they just grow in difficulty as time goes on (incidentally, I've made this argument myself before). Others would say that because a game simply requires great reaction time and a lot of practice that it's hardcore, a la Super Hexagon. While games of this variety do boil down to raw skill, they are more often than not overly simple because everyone wants to make games that the soccer mom's kids can play and buy IAP on.

When I say I'm looking for something hardcore, I mean that I want something that is difficult, but not simple. Something that requires me to build mastery of the game itself, and not something that's just going to kill me more slowly based on how long I've been playing for.

Games that exist on PC don't count. If I wanted to play a game that was also on PC, I would play it on PC. The hardcoreness of iOS as a platform is determined by its exclusive titles, because anything I can do with a touchscreen, I can do better with a mouse+keyboard / controller.

Show me where iOS is hardcore. The game(s):
- Must not be on PC
- Must not be one-factor simple (such as an infinite runner)
- Must provide challenge reliant more on skill than luck (less rng = good)

Am I talking about unicorns, or do these games actually exist in recent years?

Just to note, I'm a huge fan of the Infinity Blade and Chaos Rings franchises, and I'm already familiar with all the major MOBAs - these games have the essence I want to see on iOS.
02-01-2016, 03:12 PM
#2
Joined: Aug 2015
Posts: 244
I would put Hardboiled in this category. Don't think it's on PC but is much inspired by Fallout, with the post-apocalypse setting and turn based combat. I find it mighty challenging.

02-01-2016, 03:26 PM
#3
Joined: Jun 2015
Posts: 11
Cubix Challenge
http://forums.toucharcade.com/showthread.php?t=264485

Cubix Challenge is a hardcore puzzle game. It has 120 levels, with a new mechanic introduced every 10 levels. The first several levels go quickly, but it gets really difficult! A lot of people that play don't get past the halfway mark (I don't even get that far, but I am not "hardcore"). It is definitely a thinking game.

Full disclosure: I am married to the developer of this game.
02-02-2016, 05:38 PM
#4
Joined: Feb 2012
Location: Georgia,Cleveland Ohio,Texas,New York
Posts: 2,168
You want hardcore =

Ire:Blood Memory
by 10Birds
02-02-2016, 05:45 PM
#5
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ether3al View Post
The word "hardcore" has undergone an interesting journey since the creation of the app store, and seems to be defined differently by different people. Most marketers on the app store would have you believe that unbeatable games (such as in the "infinite" genre) are automatically hardcore since you can't beat them, and they just grow in difficulty as time goes on (incidentally, I've made this argument myself before). Others would say that because a game simply requires great reaction time and a lot of practice that it's hardcore, a la Super Hexagon. While games of this variety do boil down to raw skill, they are more often than not overly simple because everyone wants to make games that the soccer mom's kids can play and buy IAP on.

When I say I'm looking for something hardcore, I mean that I want something that is difficult, but not simple. Something that requires me to build mastery of the game itself, and not something that's just going to kill me more slowly based on how long I've been playing for.

Games that exist on PC don't count. If I wanted to play a game that was also on PC, I would play it on PC. The hardcoreness of iOS as a platform is determined by its exclusive titles, because anything I can do with a touchscreen, I can do better with a mouse+keyboard / controller.

Show me where iOS is hardcore. The game(s):
- Must not be on PC
- Must not be one-factor simple (such as an infinite runner)
- Must provide challenge reliant more on skill than luck (less rng = good)

Am I talking about unicorns, or do these games actually exist in recent years?

Just to note, I'm a huge fan of the Infinity Blade and Chaos Rings franchises, and I'm already familiar with all the major MOBAs - these games have the essence I want to see on iOS.
There are literally hundreds of games in the App Store that fit this description. I suggest that you dig through the TA review archives. Or go to the App Store and look at the Game Collections.
02-02-2016, 06:33 PM
#6
Joined: Sep 2013
Location: uk
Posts: 3,544
I dunno if I've misunderstood but I don't think that a game being available on PC as well as ios makes it less hardcore. If it's the same content as a PC version, and would be classes as hardcore, why does playing it on a different platform make it less so?

Not everyone has access to a PC, so while I prefer some games on PC and would choose that version over mobile in most cases, I know not everyone can do that, and making titles on available on numerous platforms gets the game into more players hands.


I don't think you are looking for unicorns though, there's plenty of stuff that meets your definition of hardcore for ios, you've just gotta look for it, appreciate the AppStore is massive but it's worth spending time to find the stuff that meets your requirements imo, and maybe also be prepared to take a chance, something that might not look hardcore for you, could be just that, games are mostly cheaper on ios, so usually it's not a big loss if a game isn't enjoyable for you.
02-02-2016, 07:09 PM
#7
Joined: Jul 2013
Location: USA
Posts: 1,559
Wayward Souls
02-02-2016, 07:21 PM
#8
Joined: Jan 2012
Location: Philippines
Posts: 22,090
Quote:
Originally Posted by klink View Post
Wayward Souls
Boom!

Exact-Psience My 2014 Top 10 Games of the Year: Monster Hunter Freedom Unite, Hearthstone, VVVVVV, Battleheart Legacy, Wayward Souls, Bug Heroes 2, Powerpuff Girls Defenders of Townsville, Deep Loot, Monument Valley, Bioshock Honorable Mentions: Traps N Gemstones, Bardbarian, Goblin Sword
02-02-2016, 07:27 PM
#9
Joined: Jan 2012
Location: Philippines
Posts: 22,090
I would also add:

Oceanhorn
Implosion
Space Marshals
Battleheart Legacy
Heroes & Castles 2
Mines of Mars
Wayward Souls

Added Wayward Souls to make the list feel complete as it would feel off without it.

I dont have it yet, but Crashlands seem to belong in the list.

Exact-Psience My 2014 Top 10 Games of the Year: Monster Hunter Freedom Unite, Hearthstone, VVVVVV, Battleheart Legacy, Wayward Souls, Bug Heroes 2, Powerpuff Girls Defenders of Townsville, Deep Loot, Monument Valley, Bioshock Honorable Mentions: Traps N Gemstones, Bardbarian, Goblin Sword
02-02-2016, 07:52 PM
#10
Quote:
Originally Posted by Exact-Psience View Post
I would also add:

Oceanhorn
Implosion
Space Marshals
Battleheart Legacy
Heroes & Castles 2
Mines of Mars
Wayward Souls

Added Wayward Souls to make the list feel complete as it would feel off without it.

I dont have it yet, but Crashlands seem to belong in the list.
Sure, as well as all the other Butterscotch Shenanigans games. And Mage Gauntlet. And pretty much every Forsaken Media game. And a bunch of Crescent Moon games. And the Modern Combat series. And a dozen of Kemco RPGs. And AG Drive. And Ripper. And Badlands 2. And Hero Emblems. And The Easy New World. And Mage Rampage. And the Halo mobile games. And Galactic Keep. And Nubs. And Pixa. And Heroki. And Pip. And Silver Bullet. And on, and on.