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So, what *is* better than Super Mario Run?

12-16-2016, 08:37 AM
#1
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So, what *is* better than Super Mario Run?

I know, I know. Shaun Musgrave's article said: Rayman Fiesta Run, Wind-Up Knight 2, and Punch Quest.

But none of those games are vertical/ portrait orientation, pick-me-up, one-handed auto-runners like SMR is.

So what competition does SMR really have? What are the alternatives if I like what it tries to do, but believe that it could and should have been better done?
12-16-2016, 08:40 AM
#2
Joined: Jun 2014
Location: Brazil
Posts: 1,200
Leap Day.

12-16-2016, 08:53 AM
#3
Joined: Dec 2015
Location: UK
Posts: 715
Quote:
Originally Posted by guttaperk View Post
I know, I know. Shaun Musgrave's article said: Rayman Fiesta Run, Wind-Up Knight 2, and Punch Quest.

But none of those games are vertical/ portrait orientation, pick-me-up, one-handed auto-runners like SMR is.

So what competition does SMR really have? What are the alternatives if I like what it tries to do, but believe that it could and should have been better done?
Portrait, one=handed auto runners? How specific do you have to be? Does it have to have Mario too? I think Shaun was justified comparing it to those other auto runners, even if they are in landscape. But I take your point too.

Dankrio's Leap Day shout is a good one, though I wouldn't personally say it is any better than SMR - I reckon they're both four-star games. Nekosan is flipping brilliant, though: one-handed, portrait, pick up and play. It's also very hard, despite being pretty short.

Better auto runners, there aren't many. Lost Socks is genuinely better, but it's landscape, has virtual buttons and is hard as nails. I reckon the Rayman games are as good as SMR.

Better actual old-school Mario-style games - from this year alone - include Super Phantom Cat and Super Cat Tales. Catformers - it's a thing.

2016 GOTY nominations (needs editing!): Crashlands, FFIX, Sky Force Reloaded, Lost Socks, Tennis Champs Returns, Teeny Titans, Human Resource Machine, Imbroglio, Retsnom, SteamWorld Heist
Comeback of the year: Monster Hunter Freedom Unite
12-16-2016, 08:59 AM
#4
Joined: Jul 2015
Posts: 862
Quote:
Originally Posted by guttaperk View Post
I know, I know. Shaun Musgrave's article said: Rayman Fiesta Run, Wind-Up Knight 2, and Punch Quest.

But none of those games are vertical/ portrait orientation, pick-me-up, one-handed auto-runners like SMR is.

So what competition does SMR really have? What are the alternatives if I like what it tries to do, but believe that it could and should have been better done?
When SMR was announced I thought: this is neat, a one handed, portrait platformer. I tried to find other games like that and the only two I found were Leap Day and Magic Castle ( another Nitrome game). I didn't really care for Castle and Leap Day being about one level per day didn't offer much sense of progression and felt like I was just spinning my wheels.

If anyone has other suggestions for similar games I would also like to hear them. Thanks.
12-16-2016, 09:08 AM
#5
Joined: Oct 2009
Posts: 33
Quote:
Originally Posted by OrangutanKungfu View Post
Portrait, one=handed auto runners? How specific do you have to be? Does it have to have Mario too? I think Shaun was justified comparing it to those other auto runners, even if they are in landscape. But I take your point too.

Dankrio's Leap Day shout is a good one, though I wouldn't personally say it is any better than SMR - I reckon they're both four-star games. Nekosan is flipping brilliant, though: one-handed, portrait, pick up and play. It's also very hard, despite being pretty short.

Better auto runners, there aren't many. Lost Socks is genuinely better, but it's landscape, has virtual buttons and is hard as nails. I reckon the Rayman games are as good as SMR.

Better actual old-school Mario-style games - from this year alone - include Super Phantom Cat and Super Cat Tales. Catformers - it's a thing.
For me, the details I mentioned, matter. I wasn't simply trying to be difficult. I'm not a Nintendo fanboy. I have no personal attachment to the Mario artwork.

But auto-running vertical platformers like SMR are different from vertical, non-autorunning platformers in feel and approach, just like stealth-based FPS games are different from non-stealth isometric action games.

Super Phantom Cat is one of my favourite iPhone games. But saying that it's comparable to SMR is, for me, a joke.

I'm honestly asking: if I admire what SMR was trying to do, but accept that others have done it better, what games should I try? Who are these others?

I tried Leap Day, and I simply think that SMR is (much) better.

I absolutely loved the Rayman games, and think they serve as SMR's closest competition in terms of polish; but they aren't really the same either. For me, the Rayman games aren't games I can play comfortably one-handed on the bus, or while standing in line holding stuff with my other hand.

I haven't played Lost Socks. I guess I'll try it, though even the adulation sounds forbidding.
12-16-2016, 09:13 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by sobriquet View Post
When SMR was announced I thought: this is neat, a one handed, portrait platformer. I tried to find other games like that and the only two I found were Leap Day and Magic Castle ( another Nitrome game). I didn't really care for Castle and Leap Day being about one level per day didn't offer much sense of progression and felt like I was just spinning my wheels.

If anyone has other suggestions for similar games I would also like to hear them. Thanks.
I'm RIGHT THERE WITH YOU.

I was really excited when I first downloaded Magic Mansion… but no. It was cute, but shallow.

And I didn't like Leap Day's setup either.

I realise that most Touch Arcade gamers seem to be strongly attuned to sit-down, horizontal gaming. I like that too, but sometimes I want something different.
12-16-2016, 09:26 AM
#7
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Location: UK
Posts: 715
Quote:
Originally Posted by guttaperk View Post
For me, the details I mentioned, matter. I wasn't simply trying to be difficult. I'm not a Nintendo fanboy. I have no personal attachment to the Mario artwork.

But auto-running vertical platformers like SMR are different from vertical, non-autorunning platformers in feel and approach, just like stealth-based FPS games are different from non-stealth isometric action games.

Super Phantom Cat is one of my favourite iPhone games. But saying that it's comparable to SMR is, for me, a joke.

I'm honestly asking: if I admire what SMR was trying to do, but accept that others have done it better, what games should I try? Who are these others?

I tried Leap Day, and I simply think that SMR is (much) better.

I absolutely loved the Rayman games, and think they serve as SMR's closest competition in terms of polish; but they aren't really the same either. For me, the Rayman games aren't games I can play comfortably one-handed on the bus, or while standing in line holding stuff with my other hand.

I haven't played Lost Socks. I guess I'll try it, though even the adulation sounds forbidding.
Yep, I take your point. In my defence, I wasn't comparing Super Phantom Cat to SMR, but to old-school Mario games.

Try Nekosan. It's not Super Mario Run, but it is portrait, one-handed and you can rage-quit it on the bus. No web connection required either. I liked it a lot more than Leap Day and Magic Mansion. To be fair, I also prefer Super Mario Run to Leap Day.

Lost Socks divides people, but you can get it for a buck (79p) at the moment, so it is worth a shot. Definitely a two-hander though.

2016 GOTY nominations (needs editing!): Crashlands, FFIX, Sky Force Reloaded, Lost Socks, Tennis Champs Returns, Teeny Titans, Human Resource Machine, Imbroglio, Retsnom, SteamWorld Heist
Comeback of the year: Monster Hunter Freedom Unite
12-16-2016, 09:33 AM
#8
Joined: Oct 2009
Posts: 33
Quote:
Originally Posted by OrangutanKungfu View Post
Yep, I take your point. In my defence, I wasn't comparing Super Phantom Cat to SMR, but to old-school Mario games.

Try Nekosan. It's not Super Mario Run, but it is portrait, one-handed and you can rage-quit it on the bus. No web connection required either. I liked it a lot more than Leap Day and Magic Mansion. To be fair, I also prefer Super Mario Run to Leap Day.

Lost Socks divides people, but you can get it for a buck (79p) at the moment, so it is worth a shot. Definitely a two-hander though.
Nekosan's a good game— I also prefer it to Leap Day and Magic Mansion. It's more innovative than SMR, but less polished.

I'm downloading Lost Socks and re-downloading Nekosan now. I'll play them both in alternating sequence with SMR, and see what I prefer!
12-16-2016, 09:34 AM
#9
Joined: Jul 2015
Posts: 862
Quote:
Originally Posted by OrangutanKungfu View Post
Yep, I take your point. In my defence, I wasn't comparing Super Phantom Cat to SMR, but to old-school Mario games.

Try Nekosan. It's not Super Mario Run, but it is portrait, one-handed and you can rage-quit it on the bus. No web connection required either. I liked it a lot more than Leap Day and Magic Mansion. To be fair, I also prefer Super Mario Run to Leap Day.

Lost Socks divides people, but you can get it for a buck (79p) at the moment, so it is worth a shot. Definitely a two-hander though.
I somehow forgot about Nekosan. That is really well done. The controls take some getting used to but work really well for what the game is and yes it is hard as nails. Highly recommended for anyone who enjoys a good rage-quitter.
12-16-2016, 09:36 AM
#10
Joined: Oct 2009
Posts: 33
I think that SMR is suffering, in the minds of some gamers, in comparison to dreams of what it might have been, had Nintendo stuck with a two-handed horizontal platformer with a traditional virtual joystick and high difficulty, instead of a one-handed, vertical autorunning platformer with one-touch controls and casual-gaming appeal.

I'm happy to see Nintendo try the latter rather than the former, but I understand not everyone is.