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iPhone vs palm pre

01-11-2009, 01:28 PM
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iPhone vs palm pre

Doesn't it seem weird that they keep touting the iphone against the pre, when the pre's base language is javascript?

I mean javascript, while widely known, is not much of an oop language. Seems like the iphones slimed down cocoa, or even the g1's java api would be lightyears ahead of a palm running javascript based api's... but i guess ill have to reserve judgement until it comes out.
01-11-2009, 01:39 PM
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Originally Posted by glowAndy View Post
Doesn't it seem weird that they keep touting the iphone against the pre, when the pre's base language is javascript?

I mean javascript, while widely known, is not much of an oop language. Seems like the iphones slimed down cocoa, or even the g1's java api would be lightyears ahead of a palm running javascript based api's... but i guess ill have to reserve judgement until it comes out.
It's not weird, it's just plain stupid. Looking into this phone myself, its like Palm is comparing apples to oranges (no pun) and saying "We know you like apples more, but our oranges taste better!" This device will be geared toward communication with minimal productivity app (Me being quick to judge) We'll have to wait and see. Good call though.

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01-11-2009, 04:56 PM
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Really. I mean if they allowed flash, real flash, that would be nice, but webOS is going to be a joke. (yes that is the real name of Palm's new OS)
01-11-2009, 05:01 PM
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It'll be a good OS for palm for simplicity, but in terms of gaining marketshare they are not aiming for the casual user. I read somewhere (I think gizmodo) that they are not aiming for making games with their OS. They are intending on gaining back the business share. But hey, I'm all for competition
01-11-2009, 05:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Galaxius View Post
It'll be a good OS for palm for simplicity, but in terms of gaining marketshare they are not aiming for the casual user. I read somewhere (I think gizmodo) that they are not aiming for making games with their OS. They are intending on gaining back the business share. But hey, I'm all for competition
Then what is with the multitouch, and where is Apple to defend their copyright?



Palm is confused, and this will be a bust. They are going with Sprint, and are making a huge miss here.

*hint:click either smily:hint*
01-11-2009, 08:49 PM
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Originally Posted by brewstermax View Post
Then what is with the multitouch, and where is Apple to defend their copyright?



Palm is confused, and this will be a bust. They are going with Sprint, and are making a huge miss here.

*hint:click either smily:hint*
You obviously don't know your tech history my friend.
Apple put together pre-existing ideas into a complete package...but it certainly didn't innovate all that much if you know your history.

To educate you, Multi-touch is not an Apple copyright. Microsoft has been developing Microsoft Surface back in 2001 or 2002 before unveiling it in 2007. Before that it was being researched and developed by Bell Labs back in the 80's. Apple then bought a small company called Fingerworks back in 2005, long after everyone else, and adapted it's technology into what you play with today.

iphone's Safari browser with page zoom and gestures was an idea they took from Picsel Browser, originally for Pocket PC and other formats. It worked flawlessly (I still have a copy of Picsel) and predated Mobile Safari by more than 2 or 3 years.

Scrolling contacts? Sygic's .Contacts did this on Windows Mobile more than 4 years before the iphone...and even today it's still prettier and more functional than the default iphone contacts app.

Icon launchers for programs on a homescreen? The original PalmPilot innovated this and SPB Pocket Plus offered this on Pocket PC more than 4 years before the iphone.

And I can go on. My point is, technology evolves just as the iphone was the evolution (NOT revolution) of all those technologies. Do not be such a fanboy as to be blinded by good tech when it comes along. Palm INVENTED the smartphone...these guys understand this market better than Apple, Microsoft or anyone else. If not for Palm, there'd be no iPhone, no Windows Mobile. The iphone is a consumer device..and a really good one at that. But as a business/enterprise device the Palm Pre already SMOKES the iphone...and it's not even in final release version yet. And that's just the thing: the Pre isn't concerned with just the average consumer. Already it offers full-featured synchronization with Google Calendar: which is more than you can say for any other OS except Android. It runs on linux..which is essentially a GUI driven version of unix which powers the iphone. Multitasking, pervasive but non-intrusive notifications the works...it's all there. A lot of my colleagues are looking forward to getting the GSM unlocked version (which is coming).
01-11-2009, 09:00 PM
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You obviously don't know your tech history my friend.
Apple put together pre-existing ideas into a complete package...but it certainly didn't innovate all that much if you know your history.

To educate you, Multi-touch is not an Apple copyright. Microsoft has been developing Microsoft Surface back in 2001 or 2002 before unveiling it in 2007. Before that it was being researched and developed by Bell Labs back in the 80's. Apple then bought a small company called Fingerworks back in 2005, long after everyone else, and adapted it's technology into what you play with today.

iphone's Safari browser with page zoom and gestures was an idea they took from Picsel Browser, originally for Pocket PC and other formats. It worked flawlessly (I still have a copy of Picsel) and predated Mobile Safari by more than 2 or 3 years.

Scrolling contacts? Sygic's .Contacts did this on Windows Mobile more than 4 years before the iphone...and even today it's still prettier and more functional than the default iphone contacts app.

Icon launchers for programs on a homescreen? The original PalmPilot innovated this and SPB Pocket Plus offered this on Pocket PC more than 4 years before the iphone.

And I can go on. My point is, technology evolves just as the iphone was the evolution (NOT revolution) of all those technologies. Do not be such a fanboy as to be blinded by good tech when it comes along. Palm INVENTED the smartphone...these guys understand this market better than Apple, Microsoft or anyone else. If not for Palm, there'd be no iPhone, no Windows Mobile. The iphone is a consumer device..and a really good one at that. But as a business/enterprise device the Palm Pre already SMOKES the iphone...and it's not even in final release version yet. And that's just the thing: the Pre isn't concerned with just the average consumer. Already it offers full-featured synchronization with Google Calendar: which is more than you can say for any other OS except Android. It runs on linux..which is essentially a GUI driven version of unix which powers the iphone. Multitasking, pervasive but non-intrusive notifications the works...it's all there. A lot of my colleagues are looking forward to getting the GSM unlocked version (which is coming).
That isn't the point. Watch the 2007 Macworld keynote, and they have patented 300+ aspects of the iPhone, including Multitouch, which this implementation is unique to the iPhone, and is likely a direct copy. Apple has no issue suing about OS X, but for some reason won't try to defend their patents on the iPhone. It confuses me how they could be allowing other companies to take their ideas.
01-11-2009, 09:27 PM
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Palm INVENTED the smartphone...these guys understand this market better than Apple, Microsoft or anyone else. If not for Palm, there'd be no iPhone, no Windows Mobile.
Understood it well enough to screw around while everyone else evolved
01-11-2009, 09:36 PM
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Don't compare these phones. It really doesn't matter if Palm made a phone that can grant you 3 wishes and Apple made a phone that was a brick. The iPhone will always sell and it's going to be the #1 selling smartphone for a long time. People see the Apple logo and they buy anything.

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This device will be geared toward communication with minimal productivity app (Me being quick to judge) We'll have to wait and see. Good call though.
Do you know anything about this phone? It lets you run apps in the background. How is that "minimal productivity"? Not to mention a real keyboard... Not saying this phone is better, but come on, "minimal productivity"?
01-11-2009, 09:37 PM
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Understood it well enough to screw around while everyone else evolved
Yeah Palm has some issues. Like being buddy buddy with Sprint.

The guy who made this phone is an ex-Apple exec who took Apple workers with him to Palm... Any surprise?