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The time has come for iTunes to highlight all categories!

01-18-2010, 05:07 PM
#1
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The time has come for iTunes to highlight all categories!

The game section on iTunes is amazing! 5 categories of recommendations. All the games are divided into subcategories. Everything looks as if an accountant has been filing and keeping the game sections in order from day one.

If you take the category of "Entertainment" for example the 927 pages of apps are managed by Bob. He only has one job. Make a list ,open the door to a small room, throw the new apps and the ones that keep overflowing into that room, close the door.

The 300 pages of " almost nude women " would be listed in a subcategory. Leaving "only 627 pages of "other" apps to be categorized!

300 of the 627 pages are probably games that are already listed where they belong "in the game section" Quickly, those 927 pages are suddenly becoming manageable.

The Appstore has grown so much that all categories need to be treated the exact same way as the "Game Section".

I know this would be a monumental exercise for Apple but to be honest now would be the time, before it becomes impossible to implement.

Increased sales of apps would easily pay for this exercise.

Comments? Would the game section suffer?
01-18-2010, 05:17 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Syndicated Puzzles View Post
The game section on iTunes is amazing! 5 categories of recommendations. All the games are divided into subcategories. Everything looks as if an accountant has been filing and keeping the game sections in order from day one.

If you take the category of "Entertainment" for example the 927 pages of apps are managed by Bob. He only has one job. Make a list ,open the door to a small room, throw the new apps and the ones that keep overflowing into that room, close the door.

The 300 pages of " almost nude women " would be listed in a subcategory. Leaving "only 627 pages of "other" apps to be categorized!

300 of the 627 pages are probably games that are already listed where they belong "in the game section" Quickly, those 927 pages are suddenly becoming manageable.

The Appstore has grown so much that all categories need to be treated the exact same way as the "Game Section".

I know this would be a monumental exercise for Apple but to be honest now would be the time, before it becomes impossible to implement.

Increased sales of apps would easily pay for this exercise.

Comments? Would the game section suffer?
I am in favor of this. Also, I think there needs to be more control over what category an app goes in. I think you can pretty much put an app wherever you like right now.

For example, I don't believe there is anything stopping me from putting a boobs app in the Family and Children's games categories after it's been approved.

Other developers experiment with putting their games in incorrect categories just to see if it will increase sales, which just confuses things.

01-18-2010, 09:43 PM
#3
I'd be in favor of this as well, a little more differentiation in some of those categories couldn't hurt!
01-19-2010, 07:03 AM
#4
Excuse my category related ranting :)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Syndicated Puzzles View Post
Everything looks as if an accountant has been filing and keeping the game sections in order from day one.
I don't know what bizarro world iTunes you are looking at, but look at the RPG section of games in iTunes on your PC or Mac. Look at how many mis-categorized games or apps there are in there! No one cares, they shove their entertainment apps into RPGs, their action games, etc.

Let's look at the top 20 right now and highlight some of the mis-categorized stuff:
#20 - Suzie's Sushi House. Is this an RPG? NO!
#18 - Street Racing 30 Rewards Points. Let's get the record straight- These point pack pseudo RPGs are the scourge of the category, and should have a category all their own. Every time someone releases another "me too" point pack game it is an avalanche of crap that pushes deserving games off the release list or out of the top 100.
#17 - Mafia Wars 30 Reward Points. See #18 Rant
#16 - 100 Nazi Scalps. This is NOT an RPG!
#15 - Epic Pet Wars Moost +10 Respect... See #18 Rant
#14 - GraalOnline Classic+... Ohhhh, our first RPG in the category. Amazing!
#13 - American Idol. NOT an RPG. Looks like some sort of "tap to the music" game
#12 - Inotia 2. No doubt this should be here
#11 - AngerOfStick. Absolutely NOT an RPG. Possibly using copyrighted sprite works from others in it too.
#10 - Dungeon Hunter. A little weak on RPG elements, but without a doubt this is the best place for it
#9 - Heavy Mach 2. NOT an RPG. Why is this here?
#8 - Cartoon Defence. NOT an RPG.
#7 - Baseball Superstars. NOT an RPG. This is a sports game, a baseball season simulator. It does not belong here.
#6 - World War 60 Honor Points. See #18 Rant
#5 - Sword and Poker. An AWESOME little game. Maybe more of a strategy/card game with RPG elements though? I'd allow it in any of those areas.
#4 - iMobsters 60 Favor Points. See #18 Rant
#3 - 007: Top Agent. Sony, this is NOT an RPG! It is an ACTION game.
#2 - Zenonia. Yep, RPG here. no doubt
#1 - Colosseum. NOT an RPG. No way. The guy even knows it... in his description the first line (after 50% off sale) is "Colosseum is an action game..."


So yeah... We have about 4.5 RPGs here. The rest is crap, or intentionally mis-categorized crap by the authors of these games so that they can game the system and get some visibility. This is the stuff that needs to stop.


Take a quick peek at the first page of recent releases there too... Here's the readers digest version: 8 Point packs for various games, 2 Japanese language only games (in the USA store), a book, a racing game, an action game, a puzzle game, and a damn toilet action game, "HolyPoops".



And about these stupid point packs... Why hasn't Apple declared them "minimal functionality" and stopped accepting them? Make these guys use in-app purchase for buying points! I'm sure that would stifle what must be rampant cheating in the pirate community with these "point based" games too.


What's the point of this rant? Basically Apple needs to handle categorization of all apps and games. If you leave it up to the authors, they do underhanded things like take their "me too" game that would have been buried in Action Games and stuff it into RPGs where it doesn't belong, just because it might get better exposure there.

What would happen if you got a dozen categories in Entertainment? The same thing. Boob and Fart apps would start oozing out of the woodwork in every category even if you had clearly marked Boob and Fart sections in which they should be placed. As I said... Apple is the one that needs to fix this, before adding more categories. Will they? I doubt it.

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01-19-2010, 08:17 AM
#5
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Great idea, it's hard to imagine how anything gets found outside the charts in non-game categories, and it would give iTunes shoppers a lot more to browse through.
01-19-2010, 08:44 AM
#6
you think that apple rly can hear this idea? i dont belive in it...
01-19-2010, 11:29 AM
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Yes. Large companies like Apple have a group of employees that are finding out (daily) what the common folk think. TouchArcade is an obviuos choice. It is a good business practice.

Last edited by Syndicated Puzzles; 01-19-2010 at 11:48 AM. Reason: addition
01-19-2010, 12:05 PM
#8
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Commander Data,

Great post! The accountant is doing his job. He receives his files in the late afternoon he is told where they go and he files them away as instructed. The structure of the game section is excellent compared to the rest of the categories. The accountant files the baseball game and the tap music app in the RPG section because that is what he is told to do. If you gave the accountant the power to say hey this bbbbbig boob app doesn't belong in RPG then things would change. I am quite sure every developer is 100 % behind you on this issue. We need better categorization (more of it) and better placement of apps tied directly to the keywords submitted by the developer.
01-19-2010, 12:35 PM
#9
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Originally Posted by CommanderData View Post
Heavy Mach 2. NOT an RPG. Why is this here?
that game is without a doubt an RPG. let me explain

you control by drawing a path for your mech. when you get to an enemy, there is no tactic to fighting, really. you go to them, tap on them and wait to see what happens. the outcome of the battle really depends on your level and your equipment. that clearly makes the game an RPG

any RPG fan would recognise that. i admit is is an action RPG, but an RPG nevertheless.

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01-19-2010, 12:58 PM
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The app discovery problem really hurts the App Store user experience, and it's gotten seriously out of hand. It's become the proverbial iceberg: we can see only 10%, while the rest lies hidden in the inhospitable depths where only the bravest or most foolhardy venture!

Improving transparency and discovery would benefit everyone: devs, customers, and Apple itself.

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