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should download stats be public?

04-14-2010, 01:02 PM
#1
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Location: Pennsylvania
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should download stats be public?

App rankings are public for all the world to see, but not the associated daily downloads. Would any developer care if their actual sales figures were public knowledge? What would be the downside?
04-14-2010, 01:05 PM
#2
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Location: Sacramento, CA
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Originally Posted by Stroffolino View Post
App rankings are public for all the world to see, but not the associated daily downloads. Would any developer care if their actual sales figures were public knowledge? What would be the downside?
People would know exactly how much money they are making. Devs don't want that.

04-14-2010, 03:01 PM
#3
Those kinds of figures should always be private in my opinion unless the devs themselves wish to reveal it themselves.

Mike
04-14-2010, 03:17 PM
#4
Quote:
Originally Posted by Stroffolino View Post
App rankings are public for all the world to see, but not the associated daily downloads.
Those were in fact visible at the very beginning, but quickly eliminated for obvious reasons.

--Eric

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04-14-2010, 03:20 PM
#5
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Location: Christchurch, New Zealand
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It would probably be embarrassing for Apple to show just how few sales it takes to get to the top of the games sub categories in most countries.
04-14-2010, 04:36 PM
#6
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Stroffolino View Post
App rankings are public for all the world to see, but not the associated daily downloads. Would any developer care if their actual sales figures were public knowledge? What would be the downside?
Would you like to post up all your earnings, W2's, 1040's, and the content of all your bank accounts for the past few years?
04-14-2010, 05:08 PM
#7
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Location: Pennsylvania
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Hell no, but I don't buy that analogy.

If you look at top-charts for music, they've traditionally always included the associated sales figures.

It's not like sales data (for apps) is all that hard to estimate. If you have two ranked apps in a particular category, you can extraploate how many copies the stuff in-between is selling. But why should developers have to guess? Knowing how much money is being made (on average) for the top app in any given category, or on the flip side how many sales is sufficient to break into the lower (but still visible) ranks of each category is information that I think most developers would find useful.

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Originally Posted by nattylux View Post
Would you like to post up all your earnings, W2's, 1040's, and the content of all your bank accounts for the past few years?
04-14-2010, 05:17 PM
#8
Joined: Oct 2009
Location: UK
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Most app developers are individuals who may not even have incorporated a company. In the UK at least, the earnings of private individuals are private. Incorporated companies are required to file accounts which can then be accessed by the public. If Apple published all download numbers, I guess they would be breaching the rights of those private individuals.
04-15-2010, 07:43 AM
#9
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Originally Posted by Stroffolino View Post
Hell no, but I don't buy that analogy.

If you look at top-charts for music, they've traditionally always included the associated sales figures.

It's not like sales data (for apps) is all that hard to estimate. If you have two ranked apps in a particular category, you can extraploate how many copies the stuff in-between is selling. But why should developers have to guess? Knowing how much money is being made (on average) for the top app in any given category, or on the flip side how many sales is sufficient to break into the lower (but still visible) ranks of each category is information that I think most developers would find useful.
The difference with music charts is that Apple isn't the exclusive provider of music, so a musician/songwriter isn't releasing their entire income figures by having that information available, as they'll have numerous other sources of income. If a developer creates apps for iPhone, iTunes is the sole route of distribution, so publishing their sales figures is giving away the whole picture. In some countries, private individuals, and some privately owned companies, are not required to publish their accounts, so by releasing the information, Apple would breach that.

Isn't it better that companies willingly release the information they want to?
04-15-2010, 09:35 AM
#10
Companies like Nielsen SoundScan track sales for music industry groups like the RIAA. This is more than just an analogy, these guys are branching into the mobile entertainment business. It's already been mentioned that these numbers aren't hard to estimate; I'm sure that some third party will make them available before the business matures very much more.

In my case, someone would also have to estimate my ad revenue before they knew my income. I'm not convinced that even my ad provider has a good handle on that