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collaboration 2 - advice please

01-25-2011, 11:17 PM
#1
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collaboration advice

possible collaboration

There is an independent developer,
who actually produces games, quiet a few,
starting to take an interest in my work

I contribute designs, ideas, art etc

They want to see some art for a game idea i have in mind
that could be a stand alone game
or part of much larger crazy game

If it takes off - and i realise that's a big if
with the larger game theme, it could keep a small team
of creative individuals, engaged for years, adding levels,
characters, game play etc


It's already agreed that i retain copyright to my characters, designs,
the back story to the larger game etc ..
not revealed yet and no need to at this stage
so it's a licencing type thing.

I understand they need to see some art,
and some notes on the related sub level i'm working on
but frankly the risk is all mine .. sending stuff off
how do i protect my work ?

any suggestions on best way to proceed ?

thanks

.

Last edited by kii; 01-26-2011 at 11:14 AM.
01-26-2011, 06:19 AM
#2
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Location: Italy
Posts: 134
Can you not put some kind of stamp across the images like they do on stock photo? That way it will be very difficult to use them.

01-26-2011, 07:03 AM
#3
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yes, can do that , anyone with some image software
can remove if they want,
with some work - its not just the images -
its the package - the concept etc

there's a touch of animators madness at go-ideas
http://go-ideas.org
01-26-2011, 07:36 AM
#4
Joined: Dec 2009
Location: Berlin, Germany
Posts: 1,674
well your vector art is so simple a watermark will do nothing..

i mean look at this bird of yours




do you think this is a genuine design, never seen before and so
full of creativity that its not copyable.. anyone with minor art skills
could recreate such art..

so unless you can proove (in court) that your design is fully genuine..
there is not much you can do to stop other mimicking you.. or yourself
mimicking others..

edit:

at the end you might just ask yourself, why should they take your idea and not work with you..
you provide the art apparently and some ideas.. so if they skip you.. they need another artist
etc. sound all trouble...

i imagine you are quite young and new to the business world.. if people want to scam you they will..
there is nothing you can do about it.. you can sue them afterwards if you have the money.. but this is life.. sometimes you will be burned and sometimes you will have a great partnership..

thats part of it.. there is no gurantee of anything.. and you can't secure anything you can't also defend..
if you for example register a trademark you need to be able to defend it.. that means be able to pay expensive lawyers to fight people who infringe on your rights.. etc. etc.

just relax and see how things turn out.. if they went bad.. well stop working with your partner and search for somebody else..

Last edited by mr.Ugly; 01-26-2011 at 07:42 AM.
01-26-2011, 09:32 PM
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Mr Ugly

thanks for the comments
the helpful ones about the way the world really is

as for your other comments,
you have no eye for potential - and the beauty of simplicity
but that's ok - everyone has a right to their opinion

but importantly

you have no right to copy an image from my website
and post it in this forum
without my permission


.

there's a touch of animators madness at go-ideas
http://go-ideas.org

Last edited by kii; 01-26-2011 at 10:00 PM.
01-26-2011, 11:25 PM
#6
Kii -- as my understanding of copyright law is, because the bird was posted here free of charge, in order to illustrate a point, and because the posting of the bird does not negatively impact your ability to profit from it in any way, it falls squarely under "fair use." In other words: no harm, no foul. (No pun intended.)

As far as your collaboration, your images are copyrighted as soon as a copy of them exists virtually anywhere. The fact that they are on your hard drive, and on the internet, with easily accessible dates of creation, can prove your authorship in court. If the company you are seeking to collaborate with ends up using remarkably similar designs without your permission, you are protected by law, and you can work with a lawyer to serve them a cease-and-desist order which would forbid them from selling intellectual property which is likely to have been stolen from you.

However, in the dog-eat-dog world of the app store, intellectual property is stolen on a daily basis. There is a very, very large number of games that, for instance, resemble Doodle Jump. It can be very difficult to take legal action when something like that happens... If the offending company is in another country, that complicates matters quite a bit. Or the offending company could simply re-release the "stolen" IP under a different title... The list of potential problems goes on and on.

If you are 100% convinced that you are sitting on the next multi-million dollar idea, wait. Save up some cash. See if your friends and relatives are willing to throw a little bit of money into the pot to help you have it made. Then hire a programmer of your own for minimal risk.

If you are convinced that your design is wonderful, but you have a half-dozen equally wonderful designs sitting on the shelf, consider just taking the risk!There is a good chance that your collaboration will simply fail -- compared to that, the odds of your idea getting ripped off are pretty much negligible. Nevertheless, you might learn a few things that will help you make your next project a successful one.

Hope that helps.
01-27-2011, 01:26 AM
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Thanks Revolving Door

your comments have been enlightening on a number of points,
and i appreciate your time to write it

k.

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there's a touch of animators madness at go-ideas
http://go-ideas.org

Last edited by kii; 01-27-2011 at 02:18 AM.
01-27-2011, 03:02 AM
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Location: Portland, OR
Posts: 82
A great idea is only worth something if you have the ability to execute it.

Even then, if you have that ability, you also need to have the drive and motivation to see it through until the end.

I love ideas, but I personally think they are worthless on their own. I believe true talent in this world is the ability to take great ideas and translate them into a tangible, consumable form.

This is why I hate software patents.. but that's a topic for another day...

If you don't take a chance with your potential collaborators, you might never get to execute. So then what is your idea worth?

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Thanks Revolving Door

your comments have been enlightening on a number of points,
and i appreciate your time to write it

k.

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01-27-2011, 03:55 AM
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e2elan

yes all are important

to start with - a good beginner idea
developed into a concept ( a series of linked ideas )
that provide the vision and a direction to go in

then
the follow up
the tenacity to stay with it
excellent execution

all are important

a good idea can become a very good idea with excellent execution
an ordinary idea might become ok

a poor idea - well why bother


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there's a touch of animators madness at go-ideas
http://go-ideas.org

Last edited by kii; 01-27-2011 at 04:01 AM.
01-27-2011, 04:41 AM
#10
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Originally Posted by mr.Ugly View Post
i imagine you are quite young and new to the business world.. if people want to scam you they will..

there is nothing you can do about it.. you can sue them afterwards if you have the money.. but this is life.. sometimes you will be burned and sometimes you will have a great partnership..
I really do hate this tho, it shouldn't happen... Thus far I've had legal threats being used as scare tactics, people falsely stating numbers and click-thru rates to get me to sign-up, people just charging far in excess of that their service is worth and trying to justify it with lies...

I don't know; I try to have a quite high level of integrity when it comes to business and when someone tries to screw me I kick back quite hard with lawyers... Short term, yeah being a **** can make you some money, but it kills your reputation and just gets a lot of people hating you, which will cause re-procusions... If an advertiser scams me out of $500 by lying about their numbers then I'll never use them again, if I receive good results and trust the person/ company and their business integrity I'll pump in $10k without too much of a problem and heavily recommend them to folks (I think with the PR company I used I generated in excess of 15 new customers for them, as they did a good job)! Anyways <end of bitter rant>... I just don't like having to spend the day with my lawyer dealing with annoying individuals when I could be improving my products...

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