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Each app has it's own vibe.

02-12-2011, 02:52 PM
#1
Joined: Jul 2009
Location: Victoria BC
Posts: 1,170
Each app has it's own vibe.

I find it really strange that an experienced developer can pick up on the vibe of their own app puts out on the app store and in the back of their head. If the app is successful or not has little to do with the gut feeling the developer has. The moment a dev puts out his second app the comparison to the first app is undertaken immediately. Apps are like children they tend to have their own personalities. It is amazing how different they behave even though they come from the same developer.

For example our "You" app has been a nightmare from hell, removed from iTunes and on the Mac App Store we are getting hammered with unfair one star reviews. Our Str8ts app has been plagued by a bug that no one can find. We started rebuilding it from scratch this week to get rid of the issue once and for all.

Would love to hear from devs about the behaviour of their apps. It is really scary when an app turns into a life form and the developer is forced to deal with the issues and crap some source code throws at them.

STR8TS , STR8TS 6X6 , DOMINO DICE , PUZZLE DICE,
CAVEMAN TEST, 1 TO 25, SUDOKU+STR8TS, ZARTE, ABSORB WATER, YOU, TIME SHEET (PHOTO VERIFIED),Office Alarm, Travel weather, dock clock,

Last edited by Syndicated Puzzles; 02-12-2011 at 05:15 PM.
02-12-2011, 04:06 PM
#2
Joined: Jun 2009
Location: Hollywood, CA
Posts: 1,869
trying to decipher this meshegas that you wrote!

each project has it's own challenges. you always go into each one with a certain level of knowledge attained from all of the previous experience, but every time you start something else (whether that is adding new features, or tackling a whole different project), some unknown "X Factor" is introduced which puts a unique spin on the cohesiveness of everything.

this is true with big projects and little projects, of course that means the scale is relative. All of this being said, it is important to be humble in development, as opposed to outlandish - grow organically and sensibly, don't grow your projects from tiny simple affairs to overblown "everything-but-the-kitchen-sink" monsters, which quickly become top-heavy and hard to keep under control if you don't know what you are doing (you hear me, Entire Video Game Industry?)

02-12-2011, 05:25 PM
#3
Joined: Jul 2009
Location: Victoria BC
Posts: 1,170
Headcase I am with you, but what I am really talking about is the app taking on a personality. Some apps never ever create a problem for the developer. Other apps just want to keep the dev on his/her toes. Hard work, great native coding, organized structure and simplicity can only do so much, but when the app wants to put up a fight watch out.

STR8TS , STR8TS 6X6 , DOMINO DICE , PUZZLE DICE,
CAVEMAN TEST, 1 TO 25, SUDOKU+STR8TS, ZARTE, ABSORB WATER, YOU, TIME SHEET (PHOTO VERIFIED),Office Alarm, Travel weather, dock clock,
02-12-2011, 06:16 PM
#4
Joined: Dec 2009
Location: Berlin, Germany
Posts: 1,674
Quote:
Originally Posted by Syndicated Puzzles View Post
For example our "You" app has been a nightmare from hell, removed from iTunes and on the Mac App Store we are getting hammered with unfair one star reviews. Our Str8ts app has been plagued by a bug that no one can find. We started rebuilding it from scratch this week to get rid of the issue once and for all.

hmm just started up the appstore for the second time..

to read the unfair reviews.. and i could not find any.. thoose few just mention you cannot customize it.. you cant set it to your local city.. etc

can't say if thats true or not.. maybee its a user interface problem where people can't find the right switch.. of its true and you are stuck with some selected cities i could agree with some of the reviews.. this is all guesswork


as for bugs.. well during my last 10 years of game dev i had my share of problems.. from heavy duty rpgs to light point and click adventures the biggest problem i remember was "ghost data"... data outdated and deleted for a while out of the system , creeping back somehow.. took forever to find the problem.. isolating the file that still had it referenced was the search for the needle in the heystack..

the more complex projects become the easier it becomes for the project to try to make it own steps into the wrong direction
02-12-2011, 09:27 PM
#5
Joined: Jul 2009
Location: Victoria BC
Posts: 1,170
Herr Hesslig,
We presumed that people would set their hometown first which in return displays the local weather. We never imagined that people would fill in some other city where we are asking for their current city (home town) We were very wrong! A developer can't presume anything You basically have to let the app take over and make the decision for the users.
We explained this to the users and they still couldn't get it. You has always had these types of issues. Sure we are mainly at fault but the bad vibe was present from day one.

STR8TS , STR8TS 6X6 , DOMINO DICE , PUZZLE DICE,
CAVEMAN TEST, 1 TO 25, SUDOKU+STR8TS, ZARTE, ABSORB WATER, YOU, TIME SHEET (PHOTO VERIFIED),Office Alarm, Travel weather, dock clock,
02-12-2011, 09:33 PM
#6
Joined: Dec 2009
Location: Berlin, Germany
Posts: 1,674
Quote:
Originally Posted by Syndicated Puzzles View Post
Herr Hesslig,
We presumed that people would set their hometown first which in return displays the local weather. We never imagined that people would fill in some other city where we are asking for their current city (home town) We were very wrong! A developer can't presume anything You basically have to let the app take over and make the decision for the users.
We explained this to the users and they still couldn't get it. You has always had these types of issues. Sure we are mainly at fault but the bad vibe was present from day one.

so the user set up a wrong city, then complained that it showed the wrong city?

thats odd... and it would be hässlig (haesslig)

well one thing you can always presume.. that you encounter the dumbest user possible..

hmm seems i need to open up the appstore a third time ever and actualy buy "you" to be able to comment on it..
02-12-2011, 10:06 PM
#7
Joined: Dec 2009
Location: Berlin, Germany
Posts: 1,674
well.. ok 3 dollars less in my pocket.. and the conclusion, that yes

either you app is buggy and does not work

or your gui is just awfull... you know osx software is usualy designed to be super simple in setting up things.. this app lacks completly the osx way of things.. it looks like an overcomplicated window app that went to mac..

i was really not able to setup my weather.. and if it takes more than a minute..
something is really really wrong..

maybee you can tell me what i need todo to get my weather?

-entered my citiy in the searchfield and pressed +
-a window opened
-i needed to reenter my city in the searchfield , and needed to press the search button, pressing enter did nothing
- after that the you need to notice the choose dropdown box.. there you need to choose your city again
- now what.. ahh press the add city button, done
- check the "set as local weather checkbox, done
-hmm nothing happens
- goto the weather tab..
- set to celcius
- pressed set, once.. the clocks did some buggy animation..
- pressed set several times.. yeah alot of buggy animations..

and closed the settings..

hmm my city i just added is now the last one in the clockview.. i need to scroll down to see it.. ok..

weather shows new york usa.. so..

yeah.. the complete user interface of you is utter **** ... i can fully understand that people give you bad reviews..

this is OSX, not windows..

and the app scales horrible, if i go fullscreen the "window" part has extremle huge light brownish barder of emptyness...

tons of clock on one side.. and on the other side tons of buttons doing all the same.. creating an alarm?! once with description to add once not.. and that spread over like 20-30 buttons?! what the heck..

i've designed alot GUIs for iOS so faar on contract base and "you" is horrible from a user perspective. it makes no sense at all and is so overblown.. its not even funny..

it shows whoever designed this app does not understand the apple philosphy at all.. if you use osx you expect things to behave like osx.. if you use iOS you expect things to behave like iOS...

ahh well since i'm now a customer i was allowed to rant a bit... i hope you excuse me if i'm not sticking to it..
02-13-2011, 01:47 AM
#8
Joined: Jul 2009
Location: Victoria BC
Posts: 1,170
Are we talking about the same app. It seems to me you are trying to make You not work.

Let us take setting Victoria as a city and further more as local weather

I hit the plus button and in the choose City I fill in Victoria . By chance the app finds four more cities with the same match. So I choose Victoria BC. I press the add city button
and the Set as local Weather button. So after some animation New York disappears and Victoria is showing in the large picture window. No idea what you are doing to have all this other stuff happen to you.
I do agree the process could be easier but the app works very efficiently.

STR8TS , STR8TS 6X6 , DOMINO DICE , PUZZLE DICE,
CAVEMAN TEST, 1 TO 25, SUDOKU+STR8TS, ZARTE, ABSORB WATER, YOU, TIME SHEET (PHOTO VERIFIED),Office Alarm, Travel weather, dock clock,
02-13-2011, 06:34 AM
#9
Joined: Dec 2009
Location: Berlin, Germany
Posts: 1,674
Quote:
Originally Posted by Syndicated Puzzles View Post
Are we talking about the same app. It seems to me you are trying to make You not work.

Let us take setting Victoria as a city and further more as local weather

I hit the plus button and in the choose City I fill in Victoria . By chance the app finds four more cities with the same match. So I choose Victoria BC. I press the add city button
and the Set as local Weather button. So after some animation New York disappears and Victoria is showing in the large picture window. No idea what you are doing to have all this other stuff happen to you.
I do agree the process could be easier but the app works very efficiently.
Lol, so now i make "you" not working, lol great... Thats the exact reason pal why you get justified bad reviews.. Ive spend 3 dollars on an app that does not work on the very basics.

Ive typed in berlin, germany..why should i try your city which youve tested.

Maybee you fetch weather dats only for limited regions what do i know what your guys are doing behind the curtain..

I can tell you it does not work from here, and your customers are NOT bullshitting you.. Maybee should should man up and actualy test your guys app more and widen your test data further..

And if 11 steps to set up a city& weather is effiencent, jeez..
Maybee you should look at the clock app and weather app and how apple set theirs up.. Thats effiencient..

You as it currently is, is a horrible experience.. If you think its good thats ok thats your opinion, but you dont need to buy it you want to sell it.. Maybee you should take your customers more serious

Good luck with that..
02-13-2011, 10:54 AM
#10
Joined: Jul 2009
Location: Victoria BC
Posts: 1,170
Mr Ugly,

I am not asking You to set Victoria as your city Berlin is fine. As a matter of fact even a tiny Dorf in or around Berlin would be fine.

1. Push the Plus sign

2. Fill in the city

3. Hit search just in case of multiple listings

4. Choose the city if there are multiple cities with the same name

5. set as local weather (if desired)

6. Hit add city

Add the city shows up as one of the chosen cities as a circular clock on the lefthand side of the You app.

So how on earth are You getting 11 steps ? We can eliminate the Choose city button just have the possible choices show up as a list automatically. I guess the plus sign could only open the Search City widget. So at best no matter what we do we need a minimum of four or five steps. We are at six steps. Not so bad considering users only have to do this once.

I love to listen to everything customers tell us. Your suggestions will help us possibly eliminate two steps in choosing the city procedure. We have updated You twice already and it looks like we will do so every week. So we are improving the experience every week.

Mr Ugly, I am not quite sure why you are so aggressive and angry life is too short enjoy the world it is a great place. If I could make a suggestion buy yourself a couple of fishing rods and start eel fishing in the local rivers and lakes. It is very relaxing. I used to do it when I lived in Germany. Smoked eel, couple of slices of fresh bread and a glass of fresh milk (beer) makes everything worthwhile.

STR8TS , STR8TS 6X6 , DOMINO DICE , PUZZLE DICE,
CAVEMAN TEST, 1 TO 25, SUDOKU+STR8TS, ZARTE, ABSORB WATER, YOU, TIME SHEET (PHOTO VERIFIED),Office Alarm, Travel weather, dock clock,