Order & Chaos - Universal MMO - Official TA Guild Jam Packed w/240 Players [v1.0.2]

[Royce]

Originally Posted by Doubleduoasx

Why does my monk look like a human? In game, my monk is a human. But I made it an elf. In the character menu it's an elf, but in game it's a human. Is this a bug?

Sure sounds like a bug, but I made mine a human so I'm not sure. Is it like a human in every way, like is it short like a human or is it just the face/ears?

[Faeryan]

Originally Posted by Doubleduoasx

Any feedback on my divine monk build?

http://www.war-tools.com/t72470.html...01d51101505c3n

Have you actually played that or is it just an ahead planning? Having Inner Force with a Divine monk can be argued. You don't have nearly as much STR and AGI than a Military monk and you're spending 5 points on that talent. Sure it will give you a bit hardiness but nowhere near the amounts of a Military monk.
Also you spent 5 points on Vitality Stream. On my opinion it's not worth the 5 points as it's easy and cost effective to renew Restore a bit more often. Maybe spend those points on Tiger Claw or Mantis Cudgel. Mantis and the follow up talent will boost your DPS by quite a lot if you just wield the slowest possible hard hitting Polearm.
While Martial Prowess increases your total DPS by some I don't see it worth 3 points if you have other damaging talent like the above mentioned Mantis Cudgel. After all Fire of Faith contributes a bit less than half of Divine monk's total DPS and 15% Martial Prowess is one sixth extra damage for Fire of Faith. In total it's only 1/12 (~8%) of your total DPS. Worth 3 talent points, I guess not (again assuming you use Mantis Cudgel).

Not knowing how much you will team (Ring of Healing and Prayer of Pure Faith might be obsolete if you don't) but assuming you will I'd use this build instead: http://www.war-tools.com/t72470.html...51101515113c1k

It takes those 3 points away from Martial Prowess (remember 1/12th of your DPS taken away) and replaces it with Mantis Cudgel and one point in follow up talent for extra daze against casters, also Tiger Claw Strike (more DPS, still usable with Polearm) and Dragon Tail Kick which together add a lot more ooomph than that 15% Martial Prowess. Don't know how mana effective it is but if full Military monks can do it then sure can you with higher mana.

One more modification I might do is take points from Vitality Stream and Spirit Chasten and use them on Selfless Muse instead. It's just that a lot of people have said Selfless Muse is not that good, so let's hear other people's opinions on that.

[Royce]

Originally Posted by Faeryan

Have you actually played that or is it just an ahead planning? Having Inner Force with a Divine monk can be argued. You don't have nearly as much STR and AGI than a Military monk and you're spending 5 points on that talent. Sure it will give you a bit hardiness but nowhere near the amounts of a Military monk.

I disagree here. Inner Force is an absolute must IMO. Even for a divine monk with no Str or Agi from gear, you have base Str and Agi from leveling and the boost from Blessing of Battle. With that alone, Inner force will multiply your armor rating several times, adding substantial durability.

Also you spent 5 points on Vitality Stream. On my opinion it's not worth the 5 points as it's easy and cost effective to renew Restore a bit more often. Maybe spend those points on Tiger Claw or Mantis Cudgel. Mantis and the follow up talent will boost your DPS by quite a lot if you just wield the slowest possible hard hitting Polearm.

I agree in theory and can't wait to love Mantis Cudgel but I am currently avoiding it because reports on the official forum state that it is completely bugged and rarely works, but I will respec into it as soon as it is fixed.

While Martial Prowess increases your total DPS by some I don't see it worth 3 points if you have other damaging talent like the above mentioned Mantis Cudgel. After all Fire of Faith contributes a bit less than half of Divine monk's total DPS and 15% Martial Prowess is one sixth extra damage for Fire of Faith. In total it's only 1/12 (~8%) of your total DPS. Worth 3 talent points, I guess not (again assuming you use Mantis Cudgel).

I'm also not a huge fan of Martial Prowess. The cast time and cooldown of Fire of Faith is just too long and I use mostly as an opener, and only more than once in a fight during long PvP matches.

Not knowing how much you will team (Ring of Healing and Prayer of Pure Faith might be obsolete if you don't) but assuming you will I'd use this build instead: http://www.war-tools.com/t72470.html...51101515113c1k

It takes those 3 points away from Martial Prowess (remember 1/12th of your DPS taken away) and replaces it with Mantis Cudgel and one point in follow up talent for extra daze against casters, also Tiger Claw Strike (more DPS, still usable with Polearm) and Dragon Tail Kick which together add a lot more ooomph than that 15% Martial Prowess. Don't know how mana effective it is but if full Military monks can do it then sure can you with higher mana.

One more modification I might do is take points from Vitality Stream and Spirit Chasten and use them on Selfless Muse instead. It's just that a lot of people have said Selfless Muse is not that good, so let's hear other people's opinions on that.

Spirit Chasten and Selfless Muse are both pretty worthless IMO for a divine monk with Divine Breath. The mana and regen boosts are just not worth the points spent, particularly if you already have Wis as your primary gear stat. The only reason you would ever need more regen and total mana is if you are playing in a group with mages and want to save Divine Breath to cast on them more frequently. Now if your justification for Spirit Chasten is just to unlock Dragon Tail Kick, then that's a different story, but Spirit Chasten alone doesn't strike me as a worthwhile investment.

[bastband]

Got the Captains symbol, seem to have missed the Master Sergeant one. Anyone help me out as to where it is please?

[Doubleduoasx]

Thx for help so much... Vitality stream actually seems pretty useless when you can just reuse spell. Here's my new plans.

http://www.war-tools.com/t72470.html...1101515100231k

[Faeryan]

Originally Posted by Royce

I agree in theory and can't wait to love Mantis Cudgel but I am currently avoiding it because reports on the official forum state that it is completely bugged and rarely works, but I will respec into it as soon as it is fixed.

Spirit Chasten and Selfless Muse are both pretty worthless IMO for a divine monk with Divine Breath. The mana and regen boosts are just not worth the points spent, particularly if you already have Wis as your primary gear stat. The only reason you would ever need more regen and total mana is if you are playing in a group with mages and want to save Divine Breath to cast on them more frequently. Now if your justification for Spirit Chasten is just to unlock Dragon Tail Kick, then that's a different story, but Spirit Chasten alone doesn't strike me as a worthwhile investment.

Yeah, there's not much else to pick than Chasten that would actually help.
About the Divine Breath, I'll take your word for it as I haven't played a monk far enough to unlock that talent. If it has a low cooldown then sure it's a brilliant mana potion substitute.

Originally Posted by Doubleduoasx

Thx for help so much... Vitality stream actually seems pretty useless when you can just reuse spell. Here's my new plans.

http://www.war-tools.com/t72470.html...1101515100231k

Noticed you choce 2/5 Fi(r)st Master for 4% accuracy. There's no use picking that talent unless you plan on using fist weapons. If you do dualwield them then you will need all the accuracy you can get, not just 4%. If you're planning on single wielding a fist weapon then I would switch to staff and pick Staff Master 1/5 instead.
Other than that your tree looks quite good.

[Random_Guy]

Is it possible to have Blessing of Vitality and Blessing of Battle on simultaneously?

[Aitaken]

Originally Posted by Random_Guy

Is it possible to have Blessing of Vitality and Blessing of Battle on simultaneously?

Yes.

[ArtNJ]

Vitality stream is somewhat useful for leveling, and somewhat useful in healing groups. I also like to just put a lengthy restore on when approaching other players in a pvp zone, just in case.

Ok, its not a great skill by any means, but why do we need 10% more wisdom anyway? Downtime is tiny compared to other classes without it. Also vitality stream does save mana, probably not 10%, but there is a convenience aspect to it.

[Royce]

Originally Posted by Faeryan

Yeah, there's not much else to pick than Chasten that would actually help.
About the Divine Breath, I'll take your word for it as I haven't played a monk far enough to unlock that talent. If it has a low cooldown then sure it's a brilliant mana potion substitute.

It has a fairly long cooldown of 1 minute but I still never run out of mana. The only reason to even carry mana potions if you have Divine Breath is in case you accidentally cast Divine Breath on someone else when you needed it for yourself.