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Old 02-15-2013, 03:42 PM
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Default Real Racing 3 and how EA has/will ruin it (based on a true story)

This isn't a RR3 hating thread. Hear me out.

Most people should know the game Trenches. One of the first great strategy games that came on the App Store. Players would battle it out in WWI skrimishes, built trenches, and try to overrun the enemy.

The developer, Thunder Game Works was an indie dev and sold the game between $0.99 and $2.99. They also constantly updated the game.

-Constant bug fixes and gameplay balancing
-Multiplayer
-Zombies Horde Mode
-Game Center support
-and more

They constantly viewed customer feedback greatly and supported the game for over 2 years.

Then they partnered with EA for Trenches II, their sequel to their original game in late 2011. Now you would think this was a good thing as all EA would do is make the game more public.

But it was the exact opposite. What happened? Here's a timeline.

Dec 14, 2011 - Trenches II launched on the App Store
Dec 19, 2011 - On their official blog, TGW promises a huge update is coming
Feb 9, 2012 - On their blog, they say their hard at work on the update and new games
Feb 19, 2012 - On their blog, they say the update would come around mid-March/early April
April 13, 2012 - They submit they're update to EA and expect them to approve it in mid-May
May 18. 2012 - They announce they're update as been delayed
June 27, 2012- They resubmit they're update to EA
September 25, 2012 - They confirm that the update as been stalled by EA, with them having no power to do anything.
November 27, 2012 - They mention that the update will come no likely before Christmas, but soon.

Then in 2013... (yes 2 years later), they decided to cut ties with EA and go indie again.

"By now, you're aware that EA has graciously released Trenches II from its publishing agreement. Unfortunately this meant they pulled it from the AppStore completely a couple of weeks ago. No worries, though ... we're working on getting it back in your hands as soon as possible."

They submitted Trenches II to the App Store and now its just waiting approval for Apple. They're making Trenches II universal and free for the 1st week as compensation due to the fact that purchases of EA's Trenches II has been removed from the App Store.

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This is the story of what EA can do to you and a likely outcome of what could happen to Real Racing 3. EA filled Trenches II with IAPs, made it so you are forced to have Origin to play, made the game not universally supported, and delayed updates for 2 years.

Remember, when Firemint made the original Real Racing/Real Racing 2, they didn't have IAP to the extent EA games are filled with now, used Game Center, and constant updates, etc.

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Old 02-15-2013, 03:57 PM
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Real racing 2 has iap
Yes, but the IAP was no so in your face like RR3.

://toucharcade.com/2011/07/14/real-racing-2-and-real-racing-hd-get-more-content-in-new-update/
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Old 02-15-2013, 04:09 PM
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True but you worded it like it had none that's all but I do agree with you about this. My thing is the day it was suppose to be out they pulled out last second yet did anyone know the real reason?
I'm more concerned on why EA wouldn't let them update the game.

Was it possible that the update was too big/good?

EA usually never adds new features in its games, even if it does its usually bug fixes. Rarely you'll a new game mode or something.
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Old 02-15-2013, 04:22 PM
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I'm more concerned on why EA wouldn't let them update the game.

Was it possible that the update was too big/good?

EA usually never adds new features in its games, even if it does its usually bug fixes. Rarely you'll a new game mode or something.
Can you give us a 2 or 3 sentence what the topic is? It is a little confusing.
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Old 02-15-2013, 04:23 PM
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It's a diaster, I tell you. A complete diaster.
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Old 02-15-2013, 04:25 PM
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This is pretty much about how EA ruined the Trenches series.

I'm just showing an actual example of a game going down because of EA, I feel with all the negative views of RR3, something similar will happen.

I was a huge Trenches fan, I don't think how bad some people think this problem actually is.
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Old 02-15-2013, 04:35 PM
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The real story of Trenches II: The original did really well, EA was exploring publishing third party developers, and this seemed like a great deal for for the developer. Unfortunately, EA didn't really promote it at all, as Kris was the one emailing us about everything not EA.

So, Trenches II sort of bombed in the sales department and it likely just never made enough money to rationalize investing more time into updating it especially when EA wasn't interested in promoting it. Another good example of this is Reckless Racing which similarly was published by EA and went nowhere.

That's... Basically as far as this conspiracy theory goes. Those games weren't supported because they didn't sell well.

Again, Occam's Razor.

Edit: R-Type was especially crazy. EA published that too, I went to an actual EA event in NYC around the same time it was coming out and the game wasn't even included in what they were showing there. I had to ask and they had to find someone with it on their device. So, yeah, there's basically nothing nefarious going on here aside from these games just not selling well.

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Old 02-15-2013, 04:40 PM
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That was a very good explanation Eli. Was kind of confused about this topic, but well explained, thanks.
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Old 02-15-2013, 04:42 PM
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That was a very good explanation Eli. Was kind of confused about this topic, but well explained, thanks.
What absolutely kills me about all this shit surrounding this game is everyone is coming up with these grand conspiracy theories when the answers are all so simple and obvious... And I'M the jerk for pointing that out!

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Old 02-15-2013, 04:46 PM
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The real story of Trenches II: The original did really well, EA was exploring publishing third party developers, and this seemed like a great deal for for the developer. Unfortunately, EA didn't really promote it at all, as Kris was the one emailing us about everything not EA.

So, Trenches II sort of bombed in the sales department and it likely just never made enough money to rationalize investing more time into updating it especially when EA wasn't interested in promoting it. Another good example of this is Reckless Racing which similarly was published by EA and went nowhere.

That's... Basically as far as this conspiracy theory goes. Those games weren't supported because they didn't sell well.

Again, Occam's Razor.

Edit: R-Type was especially crazy. EA published that too, I went to an actual EA event in NYC around the same time it was coming out and the game wasn't even included in what they were showing there. I had to ask and they had to find someone with it on their device. So, yeah, there's basically nothing nefarious going on here aside from these games just not selling well.
That's unfortunate.

But with the original one selling really well, it only made sense that EA promoting it would make it sell well.

I still felt it lost sales because EA didn't allow for updates. They're were MAJOR bugs in Trenches 2 that needed to be fixed. If those were fixes like in-game crashing it would have gotten better reviews on the App Store.

It's going to be interesting to see if Trenches 2 (non EA) will sell better.

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